IT/Coding advice

[Wandering MGHOWParticipant 551]

I know this topic has been done to death, so I’m sorry for making it again. Stealthy, KM, and others have been kind enough to give great advice on this subject in the past. I skimmed through those posts back then not really understanding most of it. This time is different though, I really think this time I’m going to go through with it. I was checking out some tutorial stuff on khanacademy and it seems very interesting to me. I’ve always been a good problem solver and smart, and so I think this is a field for me. Its also virtually future proof.

I’m not getting any younger (late 20’s) and I think I’m going to close the books on a potential career in law enforcement. I thought about it for a while, but recently have been having second thoughts. With all due respect to LEO’s, that job just isn’t for me. With that most likely off the table, I really need to start focusing on my future and how I’m going to make money. I can’t see myself working at my current job forever. I want to work for myself and stop taking orders from blue-pill s~~~heads who are 1000x dumber than me. I’ve always been creative and always enjoyed seeing ideas in my head become a reality (I also want to write e-books for this reason). Its finally time I got into coding.

IT is a vast universe, so please give me just a starting point . I will take the rest from there. I will start reading about that particular language and learn it fluently. I also need to know how you can make money from this “starting point” and what are some of the things that I can do/create from it? A piece of advice somebody gave me is that when starting out, you should have a goal in mind. Make a website, a music player, an app, etc. Just have a goal so that you can measure your progress. Should I be creating apps and websites? Or should I be doing freelance work for other people? Or should I think bigger and try to create an enterprise like Stealthy said?

I don’t know where to start, but I know that I want to f~~~ing start. Please point me in the right direction. I’m desperate guys.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

If you want to work for government, learn Java and Oracle. If you want to work for porn, learn PHP and MySQL.

IT is f~~~ed. You’re outbid by India and Romania, and honestly, programming is difficult – you should really learn it in school if you want to do it right, and that’s a lot of theory stuff. I got out of the industry because it was being flooded with cheap labor and guys who didn’t know what they were doing. Suddenly everybody and their brother was a programmer.

I also got out because everything became object oriented, which is total horse s~~~. Object oriented is the biggest f~~~ing snake oil to come to the planet Earth since evaporated water. Yet everybody not only thinks it’s real, they are obsessed with it and swear by it. Object Oriented was laughed at by programmers since the 70s, and then suddenly managers bought it because programmers were making 200K while the managers were earning 40K, and the managers wanted to make sure they purchased something that wouldn’t work, to put real programmers out of work.

If you want to make money, become an entrepreneur, get a mentor, join a team, seek venture money, and hire programmers. If you want to make money, learn Marketing and Sales, not programming.

If you want to make money, learn Marketing and Sales, not programming.

If you want to make money, learn Marketing and Sales, not programming.

If you want to make money, learn Marketing and Sales, not programming.

If you want to make money, learn Marketing and Sales, not programming.

Got that?

If you really want to learn programming, just because you think it’s cool, begin with the old old old version of LogoWriter, and good luck downloading a version these days that doesn’t give your computer syphilis. If you find it, download it on a box that you don’t mind getting a virus. Download the manual, and learn to move the turtle and write functions.

Learning programming means you’ll be working for someone else, which is what you say you don’t want to do, though. So don’t spend the next ten years in the wrong direction.

Begin by reading Rich Dad Poor Dad, by Robert Kiyosaki, and watching this (All ten hours of it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Niw0bRPUKo

Then watch the Khan Academy videos on economics and venture funding.

Good luck.

[StandUpGuyParticipant 334]

Learn Perl my son. It is easy to start and you can do most anything with it. MySQL is for girls use PostgresQL for a database. Learn how to construct an algorithm. The book Perl for computer science is a very good start in just the first few chapters.

I have 20+ years in the field.

[EekParticipant 1162]

I could give you more suggestions for more programming languages you could learn, but you should probably approach this issue like you approach MGTOW… find what works for you.

If there is a technical problem you want to solve, look at similar solutions in the area and start learning that stuff. If you have an idea for a smartphone app learn Java, Android Studio, etc for Android or Swift for iOS.

If you still think you want to get in law enforcement in some way, what about digital forensics? Learn the tools to crack into computers and phones.

No single answer anyone here gives you is likely to be correct for you, you need to define the goal, figure out what it will take to get there and then get to work. But once you do that start talking and contributing to projects in the area you decide to work on and it won’t be too long before someone sees you are interested and will give you a chance.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

Eek wrote:

No single answer anyone here gives you is likely to be correct for you, you need to define the goal, figure out what it will take to get there and then get to work.

I would like to elaborate on this. In Jim Collin’s book Good to Great, he makes an excellent point about technology, that technology is not he end, but a means to an end. Technology is a process accelerator. You’ll always still be talking about a non-technological process as the goal.

Ex:

Goal: Get pussy (non-technical)
Means: Use a dating app. (technical)

Goal: Play chess with new people (nothing to do with technology)
Means: Join a chess website. (technical)

etc… So, to be an entrepreneur, find a market (nothing to do with technology), and provide the product or service (may or may not involve technology).

StandUpGuy wrote:

MySQL is for girls

For the record, I use MySQL, and I love it. I have used it on enormous data. I am not a girl.

[AttonParticipant]

Make something that you like and go with it. From what you will get a much better clue.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Sam FisherParticipant 206]

I think there are a few options, and with startups coming left, right, and centre, there are less traditional ways to get into programming these days.

I’m in the process of signing up for a Computer Science degree myself, but basically, the best way to get onto it is to start off with a language that is used in the industry (so Java, C#, C++, etc.) and learn about it, and muck around with the code (download code, break the program, fix it up, modify it, etc. etc. I bum around on programs I’ve made and tweak it and all sorts of other shenanigans whenever I’m taking a break from my books, or have had a busy day and come home an hour before bedtime!).

There are also coding bootcamps, which I think do well to complement any degree (even if you got a Masters of Arts in Basket Weaving). Once you become more proficient with coding yourself, open up a GitHub and upload whatever you make in your spare time on there. Whether it’s to industry standard or not, I think a technical hiring manager will appreciate seeing where you came from in your journey to becoming a programmer of the junior level for your first job, and every other job you will get after that as you gain more experience.

Once you’re in the door, you’ll learn the fundamentals you need to be a functional employed software developer/programmer, and from there, you can find your niche once you transition from a junior, to a senior developer. This is my outlook anyway.

From then on, if and once you get good, look for a gig that allows you to work remotely! That’ll get you out of the office! Another way to evade office politics. Or, make an app that you think people would need, or a website.

Apologies if this is not the advice you’re looking for, I’m a tadpole in the world of programming myself. I’ve started out on C#, a language of which people react and say “Wow, that’s a pretty hard language, though?”. I say, f~~~ it, I’m gonna have to learn it someday, may as well be now!

[RyshParticipant 134]

StandUpGuy wrote:

I also got out because everything became object oriented, which is total horse s~~~. Object oriented is the biggest f~~~ing snake oil to come to the planet Earth since evaporated water.

Word, man, if not DWord! OOP sucks, except for GUIs. Just compare what Linus Torvalds said about C++. Bjarne Stroustrup, inventor of C++, once said that within C++, there is a much smaller and cleaner language struggling to get out. I say, yes, and it is called C.

There is a development scene where this whole crap is mostly being avoided, and that is embedded systems. You can’t use tons of STL and Boost C++ crap because your systems have RAM measured in kB, not GB. You can’t escape reality by abstracting it away in tons of useless object and inheritance BS because your systems will not allow for that. You’re in for cycle counting in interrupts.

Embedded systems is one of the few domains being left for real programmers because that requires to actually understand the stuff. Those who aren’t afraid from inline assembly, from interrupts, from memory mapped IO. Oh, and from reading datasheets. Debugging often enough involves an oscilloscope.

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