Is There Loop Hole In The Current System To Leaglly Pay For Sex, Any Ideas?

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  • #13630
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    RayBandaku
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    This might be a silly question.  I am realizing that it all comes down to trading sex for man’s money/time.  So why can’t we come up with a system that’s helps men do this without making it a illegal activity.  I know there are smart men here who might come up with a cleaver idea that is still legal.  Lawyers come up all kind of tax loop holes and other things, why can’t we.

    I personally never ever want a girl friend or a wife after my hell of a divorce(loosing most of my stuff).  So, I am thinking I don’t mind paying for sex once in while but I don’t want to watch over my shoulder when I pay for sex.  I don’t feel like it’s a crime to pay for sex, for me it’s similar to buying a dinner or seeing a Broadway play, you are paying for a good time.

    I know it’s illegal to pay for sex but there must be a loop hole to get around the system without getting in trouble(the legal way).

    Please share your idea or opinions on this matter.

    I am comfortable treating sex like buying any other type of stuff, there is no crime in it if both parties are happy doing business with each other.

    #13631
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    Keymaster
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    This might be a silly question. I am realizing that it all comes down to trading sex for man’s money/time. So why can’t we come up with a system that’s helps men do this without making it a illegal activity.

    They did. It’s called a “marriage contract”.

    /marriage-is-fraud/

    There is “prostitution” (sex for resources) going on in every restaurant tonight.
    But is it commensurate compensation”?

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    Sex for a man’s money, effort, investment and time is not even WORTH it anymore. Since a woman can legally steal assets she never earned from a man she is NOT having sex with…. why would she want to have sex with him?

    /audio/3-million-dollar-bitch/

    Men no longer need to enter a binding / legal contract to exchange sex for resources when a woman is so willing to put out for FREE.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
    #13641
    RayBandaku
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    888

    Thank you @keymaster for  your advice, it helps.

    #13643
    Keymaster
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    Well I didn’t really tell you what you wanted to hear – or help – at all. I saw your question and thought there was only one way to answer it. So many people are totally unaware and inacapable of understanding “the sexual make place” (SMP) that most people think it’s “RADICAL & MISOGYNISTIC” to call a woman who expects a man to pay her in a dating situation – a “prostitute”. But MGTOW are realistic and that’s exactly what she is.

    Note the commenter: “Boydnar” in this example: /video/fox-news-prostitutes/

    …. and how p~~~ed off he is.

    He believes this point of view is “extreme”. But then a MGTOW came along corrected him, and now he has nothing to say. He has no ammunition. He’s one of those men who think a fair exchange of sex for resources is not allowed to be called “prostitution”. But that’s exactly what it is. Legal prostitution where a woman can legally not have sex with her own husband and rob him in divorce.

    The problem with our society is not that we have prostitution happening in every restaurant right now. The problem is that whores are pretending they are NOT whores and they are attempting to get away with proving no service for payment – all under the guise of “love” / “marriage” / “relationship”. Bulls~~~. They are whores and need to be reminded of that. And if they are not good at being whores – and provide no value – then they are out on the street. Just like Barb explains in the video above.

    You don’t pay a whore to f~~~ you. You pay her to leave.
    That’s exactly what a marriage contract is. Its like paying the whore to leave.

    Unfortunately, western whores aren’t worth what it will cost you.

    I wish I COULD help you and answer your question, but the answer right now is to show men the TRUE value of vagina.

    …. which is a great big $0.00.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
    #13647
    RayBandaku
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    888

    Thanks @keymaster for sharing.  My issue is with the current conditions out there, is there a legal way to pay for sex like a business transaction without getting in trouble with the law.  Because I don’t mind paying for sex but I have trouble feeling like I am doing some thing illegal.  I guess at this time it’s not possible.  I don’t like the whole dating scene, it’s a waste of my time and it cost’s more then just paying of sex any way.  Let’s see what others mgtow brothers have to say about this.

    #13718
    SamMGTOW
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    The laws in Canada were sketchy until recently. Prostitution was legal, but lots of related activities were illegal, ie: solicitation, operating a brothel, profiting from another persons prostitution etc… After the Supreme Court struck down those laws, I think the government kept it legal for a prostitute to sell themselves, but illegal for a person to buy it. Its still changing mind you, the provincial authorities want to re-evaluate it. And from what I can tell they devote very little resources as of now to prosecuting people who purchase sex directly.
    You’re in the States I take it? Not sure how much effort they put into prosecution there, and if it varies from state to state. I’ve seen disclaimers representing something along the lines of “You are not paying for sex. You are paying for companionship (or something like that), and anything that happens afterwards is an unrelated act between two consenting adults.” Not sure if the police will give a s~~~ about that mind you. If you were living in Ontario I would be fairly confident in advising just to get one or two you know and stick with them. If you’re not talking to hookers on the side of the road there’s not going to be a significant risk of getting caught unless you don’t trust your hooker. *Not that you should really trust a hooker, but I digress…

    #13730
    RayBandaku
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    888

    @sammgtow, Thanks for your advice.  I live in Miami.  My issue is I don’t care for sex that much but when I do want some sex I don’t want to look over my holder because it’s illegal.  I am in the photography and filmmaking industry may be I will find a legal way to get around this problem.  Let’s see what happens. Have a great day.

    #13739
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    Jambear
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    I can help you State side on some theoretical ways to go about skirting the law without breaking it.

    Currently Nevada is the only state that has legal brothels that you can safely go to without risk of the cops, and they are tested for VD’s so you are safe on that front as well. While the pricing is on the high end of the paid sex trade, you can negotiate them down to around 300-400 US dollars depending on your negotiating skills. In addition, there are no brothels located in the city limits of Las Vegas, if you want to plan a crazy weekend there make sure you include some time to drive out to Pahrump about an hour and 20 minutes from the strip to go to a legal brothel. Alternatively, if you will be in the Reno / Carson City area there are legal brothels there as well. Just remember no matter where you go always negotiate down their price, the girls are allowed to do so and it is not considered rude.

    Now we get into the theory crafting, if you wanted to go about getting sex there are a number of techniques one can use to minimize the risk. I have used these myself and can confirm their easiness and risk. No matter what the method you use there are some universal rules you HAVE to follow in order to minimize the risk.

    1) NEVER, say you will exchange money for services. This is a big no no and will be hard to explain away. Use euphemisms and ambiguous innuendos that never link the money and services together. Any legit working girl will not only understand what you are doing but will prefer it you do it that way. Remember that she will be just as concerned about being caught as you are so anyone who is lax with this rule may be setting you up. Even with a girl, you have used multiple times never, make the money/sex connection just to be safe. So if you are calling a girl for services how do you go about it? Easy, say something along the line of; I would like a night out. I would like a date. Just keep in mind to never exchange numbers over the phone.

    2) Now let’s say you are finally in the same room with the girl. Take note of where you are.

    If you had to go to her place or her choice of hotel/motel, take extra care as something can go very wrong. Not only are you at risk of the police but also you may be walking into a setup where you will be jumped and robbed. Insist on setting the time and place or be extra vigilant.

    Having here come to a place that you control greatly reduces the risk you face. If you have her come to your home is the best solution but most people prefer to no have them coming there especially of you have nosy neighbors, this works better if you live in an apartment as not one will care about an unknown face in the building. A motel is an OK substitution but the more expensive way as you will have to pay for the room as well. If you are having them come to your hotel room but keep, in mind, most hotel elevators can only be accessed with a room key and hotel staff generally do not like it when escorts show up and may shoo them away.

    3) So you and her are at a place and you have not been jumped are arrested so what now? Insist an testing her out, she will more than likely insist on testing you as well, generally if a girl decided to give you a s~~~ test I would say bail but this is the rare case where it is fine 😛 . The safest test is to have her show you her goodies. Why? Because undercover officers will not do this as they cannot because that would be lewd and against their policy. She will ask you do the same for the same reasons. Now what would happen if you show your junk to an undercover officer? Nothing, there is no law that says 2 people cannot stand in a room and show their junk to each other, but officers cannot as it violates their polices. A quick side note as this myth seems to have been around for a while and movies and TV shows still use it, OFFICERS CAN LIE TO YOU AND IT WILL HOLD UP ON COURT!!!!! Do not think that asking them if they are an officer and they lie, it will help you get your charges thrown out, it will not. The Supreme Court ruled that it is OK for officers to lie in the course of duty.

    4) As far as prices go, it will vary by city so I cannot provide a good price point but IMO never pay more than $350 for a 10/10.

     

    Different Methods.

    The safest and easiest and the most expensive are the high-end escort services. Risk of being caught is near zero but expect to pay close to $1000/ hour for these girls. This mostly for rich guys who value discretion.

    Another popular method is the messages parlor. This carries a medium price range with a medium risk. Expect to pay two fees here, one to up front for the actual massage and another when you are on the table/bed to pay the girl. This will typically run you $60-80 for the massage fee and $200-300 for the service with the girl, if they go above 250 IMO just walk it is not worth it unless she is crazy hot and you really want to bone her.

    Street Walkers. For the love of God do not do this. Stupid High risk, Low price. Just do not do this way too many things can go wrong and if you partake of it regularly it is not a question if you will be caught but when you get caught.

    http://www.backpage.com/

    Use this site to look for an escort in your city and it is my preferred method. There used to be a better site called my little red book but the guy running was apparently not paying taxes and it got shut down. This method is low risk medium price. There is quite a bit of slang and abbreviations used on this site I would recommend learning what each means as they will tell you what the girl is willing to do and thus saving you a lot of headaches. The down side of this site is that there is quite a bit of “bait and switching” that goes on but luckily with some guidelines you can reduce your frustration. Bait and switching is when the picture of the girl posted does not match the one who comes to your home. Easy way to counter this is if the picture looks professionally done then it is more than likely it was and it is a bait and switch. If it looks like she took it in the bathroom and/or in front of a mirror because she does not know how to use time reverse camera and timer on her phone then it is more than likely to be the actual girl. If you still get a funny feeling about the girl, run some of her pics through Google image search and see if they pop up anywhere else.

     

    This is all I could think of off the top of my head and if you have any questions feel free to ask me and I will tell you if I know and if I do not know then I will tell you so.

    #13743
    RayBandaku
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    888

    @jambear Thank you for the detailed information, it helps.  I guess I have to be very careful when I do this kind of stuff, I am new to this.  Fact that I am not too interested in sex, takes the pressure of looking for sex.  I will keep your excellent advice in mind moving forward.  Have a great day.

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    @jambear: some great advice in your post. i would like to add though that bringing a hooker to your place isn’t a good idea and here’s why: when she runs out of money or gets down on her luck she will be coming back to your address and some bad s~~~ is gonna land on your doorstep. also, NEVER use your real name or a credit card. cash only.

    #13762
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    RayBandaku
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    888

    @ListenUp!  Great advice.  After what I went through recently with women, I am not bringing any one to my home.  My home is off limits to women because I don’t trust them, they are crazy.  Thanks

    #13769
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    Stargazer
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    As Doug Stanhope would say, females view sex workers like they’re scabs crossing a pocket line. “You’re selling it for what it’s WORTH? But we’re holding out for SO MUCH MORE!”

    #13770
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    RayBandaku
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    Men have to wise up and pay women for what they are worth which is nothing much but a quick pump, pay and dump.  Looking back at it I don’t know why I was in a marriage for 12 years and wasted so of my time, energy and lot’s of money.  I learned an expensive lesson, never again.

    #13780
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    Jambear
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    ListenUp!

    True. A motel is the in between of control and cost. Stay away from anything with a lobby though as I have a couple of girls get stopped at the desk once, I had to leave the room to get them. It was a fantastically funny situation with everyone being embarrassed except for me 😀 . Everyone knew they were not my “friends” LOLOLOLOL I still crack up thinking about it.

    docfenderson

    I never looked at it that way, but holy crap your right! They are scabs in the eyes of females.

    RayBandaku

    As long as you learn the lesson, that is what counts. Escorts IMO have the best cost/benefit ratio and will probably by the most honest relationship you could ever have with a female in general.

    You want sex, she wants money. She gives you sex and you give her money. If I was a poetic man I would compose a grand poem to ex to the virtues of this symbiotic relationship.

     

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    @jambear: good advice brother. my friends and i live in a warm climate, so we usually skip the hotel. meet in a parking lot, take her to one of your well hidden spots on the beach and dump her back off at a parking lot. f~~~ paying for a hotel if its warm out. and even hookers like to be on the beach getting pounded hahahaha.

    #13789
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    RayBandaku
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    888

    @ListenUp!  Wow, you just gave me an excellent idea.  I live right off the beach near Miami, you just saved me on spending money on a motel.  I will keep it mind when I am ready for an escort.  This is turning out to be lot less expensive then dating, dinner, movie, constant drama, talking nonsense and so on, much better then a super expensive ex wife.   Thanks every one for all your advice, it helps.

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    @ray @jamb: the beach kicks ass. i make them leave their purse in the car which takes her phone out of the equation. very important. if you let them take their phones, you are f~~~ed – and in ALL the wrong ways. mgtow packing list: 1. your phone in a pants pocket 2. bottled water (you can get arrested with alcohol on the beach) 3. condoms 4. beach blanket. 5. commanding (non violent) attitude. 6. penis. 7. car keys.  simple.

    if you do it this way, she’s not going to try to be able check her f~~~ing facebook while you are f~~~ing (seen that) and if there is any problem later, she will have NO evidence. women are sneaky bitches. give them nothing. if she doesn’t do a good job, walk her back to the car nicely. get in. drop her purse out the window. drive away and keep the money. you’ll need it for a good steak dinner.

     

    #13819
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    Deus Ex Machina
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    Jambear took the words right outta My Mouth!.

     

     

     

    "If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb

    #13823
    RayBandaku
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    @ListenUp!  Thanks for the great advice.  I will give it a shot when I am ready.  Right now I am too busy with building my new SEO, Social Media Marketing business.  In a couple of months I might try this.  i will let you know how it goes.  Hope it works out, I have not done this kind of thing before on the beach.  Thanks again.

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    @raybandaku: take your time man, whenever it works for you. worked for me many times. Also, I have to give you props on being able to be here and doing your movie work you SEO and everything all at once and posting such spot on comments. high five bro.

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