Is patriarchy gynocentric?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I had seen this pop up in a video, so I start googling for more, and I find an article like this:

https://secularpatriarchy.wordpress.com/2013/02/13/why-gynocentrism-is-good/
Assuming this article is on target, it appears that even if you battle feminists and feminism, and supposedly join with their opponents, MRAs and Traditional conservatives, you still get gynocentrism.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

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[WolfParticipant 890]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

Assuming this article is on target, it appears that even if you battle feminists and feminism, and supposedly join with their opponents, MRAs and Traditional conservatives, you still get gynocentrism.

I’m not sure if I agree with this. The article states:

“Things however go wrong when a society goes from being gynocentric to being gynonormative; when a society goes from being patriarchal to feminist. This is because the person who provides the resources has to also be the one who decides how the resources are used so that the incentive to continue providing the resources will be maintained.”

If a society is gynonormative when men lose the ability to decide how their resources are used, then we live in a gynonormative society. Family law takes child and spousal support from men and allows the woman to spend it as she chooses. Men have no say in the matter, and is a big beef with men who pay support. Regardless, the court orders them to do it, and if they want to stay out of trouble with the law, they obey.

Gynonormativism exists today, and feminists serve to strengthen it.

 

[Anonymous 12]

Traditionally speaking male and female were in unison, each had their roles to play and thus you had productive and relatively stable societies. Now Feminism is part of the force that wishes to destroy everything, so no I don’t believe Patriarchy is Gynocentric, but Patriarchy in it’s traditional Western form would seek to protect it’s women obviously as we all have mother’s, sisters, female relatives, friends etc.

This is why I don’t understand cultures where women are gang raped and treated like absolute s~~~, they are still your own. We are connected. But the balance has been thrown askew.

 

[Smacktalk73Participant 296]

Well, the human body is rather gynocentric.  Most of the action in reproduction happens in the female body.  Not surprisingly, social structures that favor making males responsible for protecting female bodies tend to survive and thrive much better than societies that say “every man and woman for him/herself.”

Patriarchy is about tying males to their offspring, and also rewarding males for taking responsibility for their offspring.   You don’t NEED to tie females to their offspring.  So making family lines identifiable through males automatically creates a support structure for females, who are ALREADY tied to their own children.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Patriarchy is a myth. Always has been. It’s a fantasy bugaboo invented from a gross misunderstanding of ancient societies by feminism to give feminism an excuse for its selfish greed. Just as the Nazis had the Jews, so Feminism has “patriarchy”, but where the Nazis made a real people into “the enemy”, feminism has been far more clever with their use of a complete fabrication. Since “patriarchy” is an invented fiction with no basis in fact, anything the feminists don’t like can be decried as “patriarchy”.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

sidecar wrote:

Patriarchy is a myth. Always has been.

Not sure where you are getting this from. Patriarchy is defined as “a system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is traced through the male line.” There are still remnants of patriarchy. I think most women still take their husbands last name in marriage. Before women were allowed to own property, they *were* property. Do we live in a patriarchy now? No, but that doesn’t mean it never existed.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Snake wrote:

Not sure where you are getting this from. Patriarchy is defined as “a system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is traced through the male line.”

And feminism is defined as being for equality. You can find all sorts of bulls~~~ in the dictionary.

Patriarchy only ever existed in a family context, not a political or economic one. Nor does a “rule of fathers” even make sense outside a familial context, as the very concept of fatherhood only exists within the framework of a family.

The best you can say for what we actually had politically and socially was PAYtriarchy, which only sounds like patriarchy. This is where the person paying the money got to decide how that money was spent. Women have always been free to earn their own keep, often without the same economic restrictions placed upon men, just look at Marjory Kemp, they just sometimes had to do without the support from men in doing so. Feminism is the belief that women should be able to do that and STILL demand support and resources from men. It’s the familiar ideology of having your cake and eating it too.

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