Is MGTOW for me, or am I a different kind of MGHOW?

[StaboneParticipant 3]

Hi fellas. I’m new here to MGTOW and have some questions as well as some personal opinions about what it is to be a MGHOW. I am hoping that men in this forum can enlighten me as to whether my questions and opinions are absurd or valid. Please feel free to comment openly and hold nothing back. I can take a punch guys, both in the digital world and the physical world as well. I am a man after all!

First off, I guess I should give you a brief intro as to where I am coming from and how I got here. I recently discovered MGTOW about 2 months ago by complete accident when watching some vids on youtube. (You all know how related side videos can send you off in a totally new direction.) I wasn’t looking for answers, healing or anything of the sort because I already was a MGHOW without even knowing it. I must admit that it was pretty awesome to see men that have discovered what I had to discovered on my own, coming together to discuss issues and openly talk about what it is to be a man and how we should be proud to be MEN without apology. In a western society that just absolutely caters to the needs of the vagina it refreshing to know that I’m not alone. That is why I feel it is important to have this community, so that men have a place to turn to and learn that they are not ‘alone’ and they should be proud to be men. For years I felt isolated and alone and thought something was wrong with ‘ME’ because I couldn’t fulfill every single f~~~ing need my wife demanded, both materially and emotionally. Hopefully this community and the testimonies of other men can put and end to the isolation that this society and women place on us.

So, these are just some quick points of what being a MGHOW means to me in no particular order than perhaps number 1. Haha!  Please criticize or correct me. I’m all ears:

1. I have a penis and yes I like it and I’m proud to have one.

2. I was married to the same woman for 17 years. She almost completely destroyed me mentally, emotionally and financially. I’ve moved on and have realized that I do not need a woman to make my life complete. I am happy to go my own way and am a better man for it.

3. Women, especially western women, predominately use sex and their vagina’s to manipulate men. They believe they are entitled and deserve all of the value and resources a man can provide for them and they reserve the right to upgrade and discard you when it benefits them. For these types of women I say, “F~~~ you bitches! I don’t need you, your vagina or your games. I can have a fulfilling life without your s~~~!”

4. I’m completely disgusted with the welfare state in the west (Canada in my case) and do not believe I am property of the state. I will not go and fight wars in far away lands to feed the thirst for power and resources of a global neo-fascist corporate police state. This DOES NOT make me a coward. Our country has lost it’s way since the end of WWII and the wars we fight today IMHO are nothing but self induced ‘blowback’ from our corporate conquests. Find me a true enemy that is attempting to take away my earned property and my freedom and I will gladly join the battle. Funny how ‘Big Daddy’ government is the one who consistently cultivates a culture of fear while they strip of us of our rights, our freedoms, and spy on the citizenry with impunity. As far as I am concerned, this system of government is evil and my enemy. They are the ones that repeatedly steal my wealth through taxation and threat of imprisonment, move honourable good paying jobs over seas through trade deals, and time and time again take away more and more of my freedom and dignity in the name of ‘freedom’ and fighting terrorism. What a crock of bulls~~~!!

5. I do not hate women or think all women are ‘evil’. I would agree that most (not all) women are manipulative and seductive and use whatever tools they can in their tool chest of destruction to bring a man to his knees and they have the courts on their side to do it. This is in their nature and hasn’t changed in thousands of years and is nothing new. Read the Bible and you’ll see almost every honourable man was brought to destruction because of the ‘power of pussy’. Adam,Samson, Solomon, David just to name a few. There are some women that agree with MGTOW, and that in our current western society we’re getting a raw deal. Ayn Rand, Karen Straughan etc. As the father of 2 girls I do not believe for one moment that my girls are evil by nature. They would only be evil if they were to learn and exercise traits from an ‘evil women’ on how to destroy and manipulate a man and that she is entitled to by nature. Environment plays a huge roll in how people behave and think regardless of gender or race. People that are racists or religious fanatics are only that way because of what they either learned as a child, or influences bestowed upon them from others in their journeys through life. To suggest that ‘all women are evil’ by nature, is no different than the Christian concept that all men are born sinners and evil by nature. (Which is complete nonesense too. I believed that born-again Christian B.S. for almost 30 years!!)

6. MGTOW men don’t wish to parade around the streets, start crusades and wave banners and demand special treatment. It is NOT a male version of feminism. We simply want to be left alone to do our own thing. If we aren’t harming someone else or their property then we should be able to, “Do as thou wilt.”

7. MGTOW is not a cult or a religion. It is simply a philosophy that men have. Men that have had bad s~~~ happen to them, by women and a welfare state and are choosing to opt out from continually providing our value to a gender and a society that wishes to treat us like door mats. We all have different stories that have brought us to this current position within our lives.

8. MGTOW is a place where men can support and encourage other men to be strong and brave the storm. A place that can offer guidance to other men (especially young men) about the dangers of following into the traps of marriage and common-law relationships that could potentially strip them of their feeling of self worth. “Do you really need to marry this woman son?”

Since discovering MGTOW, I’ve come across several videos on youtube and there seems to be some disagreements and rants between definitions, opinions, and the like. Names such as Sandman, JTO, Messinger Rising are some that come to mind. My question is, are there certain criteria that describes what a MGHOW is and is there some sort of code or guidelines that I should stand by? I’ve heard terms like ‘Mangina’, ‘White Knights’, ‘Blue Pill Poppers’ and all sorts of stuff and men arguing back and forth and demanding apologies or suggesting that other men are truly not MGTOW. I’m a little confused and perhaps I don’t belong here with what I think MGTOW means as per my opinions which I have stated above.

I am currently dating a girl now that I happen to be quite fond of but have made it clear to her that I will never marry her and probably never live with her either. I enjoy her company and sex, but choose my independence and freedom above committing to another living arrangement because I just don’t think they work and probably never will. As a MGHOW, am I suppose to be celibate and consider her ‘evil’ and a manipulative creature who’s ultimate goal will be to crush my spirit? Because if I am, then I don’t think I can do that because I don’t think she’s evil.

Anyway, I’d like you guys to enlighten me if you can, and as I stated earlier feel free to throw punches and call me names such as a mangina or whatever. I’m 41 years old and have pretty thick skin. No one here can say anything to me that my ex probably already hasn’t. Lol.

Looking to hear your feedback.

Cheers

[QcummerParticipant 652]

Think for yourself.

“mgtow” is just some letters.

Do some reading instead of watching YouTube vids…there’s too much noise and hard to find the real signal.

I am MGTOW level 9000. See how stupid that is? There is no ‘club’. Only knowledge and experience, and errbody different.

[BufordParticipant 935]

I’m not sure where you are at the moment. You says she’s a nice girl, but then of course she is. How else do you expect her to be right now? You must know the sweetness and light never lasts.

I’d be interested to know what you’ll do if you’re still seeing this girl come next Valentine’s Day, or her birthday.

Are you going to do nothing and treat them like any other normal days? Will you cave to societal pressure and do something to keep the peace and the pussy?

That would be like giving a treat to a dog that just bit someone. It reinforces the behaviour.

Where are you at?

 

"This happens every time one of these floozies starts poontangin' around with those show folk fags. - Sheriff Buford T. Justice"

[HitmanParticipant]

i think you going your own way can be defined only by you, what works for you may not work for other men..i agree with most you said…do your own thing brother-man,lot to learn here.. seems my situation is fairly close to yours..you will find alot of common ground to stand on, not cookie-cutter ideas ,welcome!

[Anonymous 5]

Your 8 points of MGTOW are spot on!
This would have been better as an intro too, another great intro. No matter how many intros I see I’m constantly blown away again and again just when I think I’ve seen them all.

If you’re going to have women in your life then watch Edmond Dantes videos on youtube. He’s relatively new, and going by subscriptions, severely underrated. We recently had a thread where the “Relationship Curve” was discussed and it’s a fascinating set of truisms that Edmond Dante relates to his own experiences. We can all relate the curve to our own experiences and extrapolate inevitable results.
Nothing wrong with short term relationships with women if you protect yourself with guidelines.

Messenger rising is now temporarily thrown off the rails because of absurd, nonsensical, inexplicable reversals by Johntheother but I’m sure he’ll get back to concentrating on positives when he’s calmed down.
Sandman gives a great McMGTOW version that the average guy can relate to. I think he’s introduced more of us to MGTOW than anyone else, including myself, but you’ll soon pass that level, you sound like you already have.
I’ll always think well of Sandman. He inadvertently gave me a label as a bonus! I’m now a proud, card carrying MGTOW Monk!

I think Barbarossa (Barr Barr) would be the level for you based on your meaning on MGTOW and best authors would be Esther Villar, Chinweizu and Warren Farrell.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Stabone wrote:

I have a penis and yes I like it and I’m proud to have one.

You didn’t have a choice. You can’t be proud of something you didn’t choose. Important distinction. That’s why s~~~ like “gay pride day” is stupid. and there is no “straight pride day”. You don’t (can’t) *celebrate* something you have nothing to do with deciding. A parade because we like pussy? It’s preposterous.

To use it as an example: Since gays are always running around yelling “I was born that way!!!” who the f~~~ would ever care when he/she “comes out”? They just want to make a big production out of something they had nothing to do with in the first place…. draw attention to themselves, and expect to be celebrated for throwing their dicks into something else with a dick. Women do it too: “I’m proud to be a woman”… or “I am woman hear me roar’. ROAR??? then you’re not a woman because women don’t “roar”. Go live in the jungle if you roar. Where you can be eaten and you are forced to fend for yourself. It’s rather silly when you think about it…. because everyone knows that woman wouldn’t last a DAY fending for herself out in the jungle. “Strong and independent women” fall apart over a tweet for f~~~’s sake.

I mention this important distinction because MGTOW IS A LIFESTYLE CHOICE THAT YOU WILL MAKE ON YOUR OWN. It’s natural to look for a little guidance, but realize you have also been programmed since the crib to QUESTION your choices and NEED guidance. Many men are very quick to sign up for being told what to do, to seek validation and affirmation. The military will be happy to bark orders at you. So will your girlfriend or wife.

Today that all stops. How awesome is that.
Beginning today, you will define yourself and you will decide what “MGTOW” means to you.

So when another member (above) responds with something like “do your own homework” it’s not an insult or a deflection. It would defeat the purpose to give you a guided tour. In all other ways you have a really good grasp already! The reason it’s important to insist every visitor makes his own choices is so that you can congratulate yourself for your own successes, and you will pay for your own mistakes — and nobody else’s. That’s what having your own agency and preserving your own sovereignty means.

Only then can you be “proud”. Because it was all your doing.

Cults will tell you what to do, what to think, what to eat and what to drink. MGTOW is nothing of the sort.
Forget the 5 letters. You’re just a man like the rest of us.

The only time a MGHOW might “tell you what to do” is , say, something like “Never sign a marriage contract you dumb s~~~!!!!”. This is one of those times where its’ very reasonable because that kind of recommendation WILL NEVER HARM YOU. It’s actually in your best interest where your own bride won’t give a s~~~ about that. She KNOWS you will get f~~~ed in a divorce. So if another man doesn’t tell you.. WHO WILL??

Wish you welcome and best of luck on your quest.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

Well the whole you define your “mgtow” meaning the guys have suggested here is all good but  i think i should point out that you cannot be married and be mgtow at the same time.That’s the one actual “rule” there is besides being male.

[StaboneParticipant 3]

Thanks for your feedback guys. As I had mentioned, I stumbled upon this site by mere coincidence and was already going my own way. In regards to some of the replies I feel that I should explain myself a little further.

Keymaster wrote:

You didn’t have a choice. You can’t be proud of something you didn’t choose.

I would have to disagree with you. Perhaps you can’t be proud of something you didn’t choose but I am. I am proud of who I am with the things that I was born with, the things that I have learned and my flaws that need refining. Being proud of who I am as a whole builds confidence in myself and allows me to accomplish goals in my life without being ashamed. When I mentioned my penis I wasn’t referring to it in of itself, but rather being a man in general and proud to be one since it is my penis that determines my gender and the character traits that are associated with being a man (testosterone, strength, determination, hard work, loyalty, etc) . I know there is is the whole gay, transgender thing but I can’t relate to that as I’m not gay. Having said that, if you seen my penis itself you’d understand why I’m proud of it. (That’s a joke by the way. Haha)

Anonymous wrote:

Your 8 points of MGTOW are spot on!

Thanks for your feedback and I will definitely check out some of Dantes videos and thank you for clarifying some of the other MGTOWs on the web. I just wanted some clarification of what it meant to be ‘going your own way’ for the broad group of men that are already doing so. Here are some of my reasons:

1.Before I give advise or comment on a post, I’d like to know that I am generally on the same page as everyone else. If a man came here for advise or looking for answers, the last thing I would want to do is comment and have the thread hijacked by others suggesting that I’m not a true MGHOW or something. This is counter productive and provides no benefit to the man. It would probably just leave him more confused and is completely unhelpful.

2. For friends, co-workers or a family member, I would like to know that this would be a good place to direct them. I wouldn’t be much of a friend if I gave them bad advise and didn’t do my homework. For a man coming out of a s~~~ty relationship, the last thing he needs is more bulls~~~. What would help him is to understand that there are alternatives to jumping back into another relationship with a woman and become educated on their nature and how most women manipulate men. Hearing the testimonies of other men with similar situations may give him the support that he needs to rediscover his dignity and move forward without shame.

3. As I had said I have 2 daughters that I love very much. I would never want them to feel that I think less of them or that they are evil because they are female. What kind of an honourable man would I be then? To break this f~~~ed up twisted mindset that most women have of men in western society (entitled, ungrateful, wealth extracting parasites) then it is my job to demonstrate to my children what a loving, loyal and honourable man is. Hopefully by doing so, my daughters will grow up to be beautiful young ladies and will appreciate a good man for who is and not believe the lies from their mother or society.

Hitman wrote:

i think you going your own way can be defined only by you, what works for you may not work for other men..

Thanks zone. I agree with you 100%. 🙂

Until next time guys. Cheers!

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