Is MGTOW a real thing?

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

I’m not trolling so don’t flame me…I know it is as I have been doing it my whole life. I see we have 11k members here but does that mean there are 11k MGTOW’s in the world or 11k that have found us?

There is so much spin out there on the internet (sites like Jezebel, etc.) The lack of marriages, declining birth rate, can’t find a man, etc. is blamed on the recession or simple demographics (all the men are in Texas and all the women are in New York), porn, fluoride in the water, etc. No one is willing to say that millions of men are WILLFULLY going their own way. Does that mean millions aren’t or does it mean we are and its being covered up?

Is there any science out there to show that MGTOW is big (and how big), that men are really going their own way?

I guess my question is how many (what percent) of men are with us? To me its common sense but I’m looking for hard data.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

Considering mgtow has no clear definition, I would assume any reliable data on the topic is unachievable.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I see we have 11k members here but does that mean there are 11k MGTOW’s in the world or 11k that have found us?

Welcome Jan. Well… if you skim through the introductions, you will notice about every 3rd one says something “i thought I was alone and had no idea this existed” which is every indication that there are plenty out there who think they are an island. Even among the well known, if you look at the prominent MGTOW youtube video producers….. out of the dozen we feature here, only 4 signed up (that we know of). So even among the KNOWN demographic that 11K is more like 50K. Then add the unknown on top of it and you can see where this is going.

Our member “DeepInThought” started a thread the other day tripping on the potential for 30million members.
/forums/topic/mgtow-potential-for-30-miilion-new-members/

…. so it would seem it’s a “guess-how-many-jelly-beans-are-in-the-jar” kinda thing.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

I see we have 11k members here but does that mean there are 11k MGTOW’s in the world or 11k that have found us?

Hardly. More than likely, there are plenty of guys out there who want to be MGTOW but still are afraid to be shamed/blamed by blue pill society. This is understandable in the sense that it can cause unbelievable grief at your job and with your family. Self discovery is the first step. Trust me, there are more than 11,000 MGTOW’s.

There is so much spin out there on the internet (sites like Jezebel, etc.) The lack of marriages, declining birth rate, can’t find a man, etc. is blamed on the recession or simple demographics

Jizzabell is the last place you should be looking about MGTOW information or an unbiased discussion about the war between the sexes. The bold has nothing to do with the ‘recession’. It has everything to do with draconian divorce laws and western women’s ridiculous entitlements, hypocrisy, double standards and bitchy attitudes. Women will loo everywhere but the mirror for the problem. On the other side, you have the tradcon women writing articles about how women have made it a raw deal for men and are extending the olive branch wanting us to come back. Even those articles are all backhanded compliments and praise. You have half our detractors saying we shouldn’t reproduce and the other half saying it’s our job to reproduce. Which is it? They don’t know because they’re in panic mode.

No one is willing to say that millions of men are WILLFULLY going their own way. Does that mean millions aren’t or does it mean we are and its being covered up?

It’s not being covered up, but articles seem to come out on a regular basis about what ‘angry, basement-dwelling, dateless, losers we are.At least one media outlet has asked KM for an interview. MGTOW is known and it goes against women getting cash and prizes, hence the shame and blame articles I mentioned.

Is there any science out there to show that MGTOW is big (and how big), that men are really going their own way?

Marriage is the lowest it’s been in 93 years. The divorce rate is 50%. Never mind the endless accounts of men who have gone through horrible divorces, been falsely accused of rape and try to date in these modern times, etc. Check the MGTOW archives.

TCEOM (The Collective Experience Of Men) > NAWALT

I guess my question is how many (what percent) of men are with us? To me its common sense but I’m looking for hard data.

What hard data does the other side have to prove it’s not them? Team vagina will always stick together (unless in direct competition for the same man, then, stand the f~~~ by). Plenty of hard evidence.

1. Low marriage rate.
2. Half of people that do get married end up divorced.
3. Constant shame and blame articles at odds with…
4. Constant “Please come back and play!” articles.
5. Every Marc Rudov video is some stupid t~~~ immediate appealing to emotion because she has no hard evidence.
6. Terrence Popp’s videos are all proven with math.

Get out there and see how women and their enablers argue. It’s all shaming and blaming because they have nothing.

Hope this helps.

Fuck this planet.

[OldBillParticipant]

MGTOW is real because the sociological trends associated with MGTOW are real, growing, and increasingly noticed by those in society outside of academia. Hard numbers, apart from falling marriage rates, increased ages for male first marriages, and the like, are hard to come by however. Your best bet for hard numbers would the works of Dr. Helen Smith. Her books and articles are well researched and documented.

Counting or otherwise determining the number of MGTOWs in the general population faces the same issues that were mentioned in an earlier thread about how many men will remain MGTOW throughout their life. Some men are self acknowledged MGTOWs and some men are MGTOWs without every hearing of the term. Some are conscious of their status and some are unconscious of the same. Many men exhibit partial MGTOW status to varying degrees while others slip in and out of MGTOW status at different points in their lives.

MGTOW is a hard concept to quantify, but it’s increasing impact on society is undeniable.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Thanks All,

But is it a correlation or causation? I know we aren’t a movement, more like isolated resistance cells. A single drop of water bounces off concrete but a billion drops form a tsunami.

Reading Jezebel got me angry enough to find MRA’s and MGTOW’s. Someone said feminists are the best recruiters for MRA’s and MGTOW.

And yes I thought I was the outcast until I found out about MRA’s and MGTOW’s.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Anonymous 42]

MGTOW is as real as a decent guy I’m getting to know in my home town, he’s divorced, s~~~canned television, owns his own beautiful home (after divorce extortion). He feels the mass media is totally slanted to favor the psychosis that’s gripped society, and totally stopped giving a fiddlers f~~~ about this totally f~~~ed s~~~hole of a society! I’m talking FOAMING AT THE MOUTH P~~~ED! Just like me!
Is MGTOW real? Just ask the many women I totally rejected over the years and refuse to have any kind of personal involvement with.

Cutting of a mans penis and throwing it in a garbage disposal, and having a bunch of women laugh hysterically about it on national TV is as real as it gets! NO?

What about cutting of Thor’s dick, a comic book hero? What’s a young boy to think about that? How’s that for REAL?

What about the endless ramming and shoving of gynocentrism down your throat? Is that real? can you taste the tyranny? I find the tyranny very much palpable, a taste I cannot swallow!

If you’re asking if MGTOW is actually real, there may be a chance you don’t know the taste of s~~~ if it were dumped in your mouth…..

[OldBillParticipant]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

But is it a correlation or causation?

It’s both. Some men come across MGTOW. read or listen to the information, and are convinced to start their journey while others are already on their journey when they find out about MGTOW.

There are as many roads to this community as there are roads it’s members follow.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

My Friend you are preaching to the choir,

What I want is to have the halls of the matriarchy we live in shake in terror. I want men to be equal to women. I want women to learn they have to be decent human beings if they want the privilege of a man. No, not for me, because I’m over them. I am here so that my nephew won’t be emotionally crippled and divorce raped by a woman. That he can get into a college, a career, a future. That he isn’t brainwashed into being a beta slave. That he won’t be considered “disposable”.

I know MGTOW is real for me, but until we are a tribe of a million we will be mocked and shamed. When we are 10 million women will listen.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

My Friend you are preaching to the choir,

What I want is to have the halls of the matriarchy we live in shake in terror. I want men to be equal to women. I want women to learn they have to be decent human beings if they want the privilege of a man. No, not for me, because I’m over them. I am here so that my nephew won’t be emotionally crippled and divorce raped by a woman. That he can get into a college, a career, a future. That he isn’t brainwashed into being a beta slave. That he won’t be considered “disposable”.

I know MGTOW is real for me, but until we are a tribe of a million we will be mocked and shamed. When we are 10 million women will listen.

I guess you’ll just have to show your nephew how great it is to be mgtow. I have an uncle that has never married and lives an interesting life because of it. I’m sure this influenced my path so maybe you can be like my uncle. When relatives ask him when he is getting married, he just laughs a little and says its not happening. When I was growing up and observed him I realized his bachelorhood didn’t make him sad. It made him happy.

[MendokusaiParticipant 256]

I was just watching CBC’s The National tonight and they had a segment about the opposition MRA’s are having from femnazi groups on campus. Basically they have been voted out by student union org’s while allowing every other group under the sun to exist. I would challenge this under the Charter of Rights & Freedoms if I was them.
As well they had an interesting piece on the increasing suicide rate in the US of 50+ males which must have made those femnazi c~~~s wet with delight. It would seem this demographic is facing greater economic stress than ever before,esp those with a high school education or less. One bright point that proves MGTOW is world wide however is the news that China is relaxing it’s one baby policy in hopes of battling a declining birthrate and slowing economy. I have read that the divorce rate there is higher than here in North America and coupled with the “Grass Eaters” movement in Japan I have no doubt the ‘roar’ will soon turn to a whimper,just as Nature intended.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

mgtow is like the matrix. nobody can tell you what it is. you have to experience it. for the men here and elsewhere who have gone through divorce and have been financially and emotionally raped and left for dead, there is nothing more real than mgtow.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[нσтησσвParticipant 830]

I think there are MGTOWs everywhere.

But, you have to remember, in todays society, it takes real b~~~~ for a guy to even think about being MGTOW or to even google MGTOW… let alone to join a MGTOW forum or chat group.

To even think of googling MGTOW as a guy, your opening yourself to all of the potential dangers. I’m certain that you could even potentially lose your job if you googled MGTOW at work.

There could be some mangina tech whos job is to keep an eye out on all of your internet activity… Whoops! this person g00gled MGTOW! He must be some evil misogynistic bastard! I better report this to HR!

Next thing you know, your fired for googling MGTOW at work.

Heck, even knowing what MGTOW is about could be bad enough; what if you were to accidentally say something about it at work with an HR c~~~ near by?

When i look around, although i see a TON of mangina behaviour, i do ocassionally run into MGTOW behavour.

If i were to estimate, i’d say at least 5% of guys in canada are MGTOW or close to it. just from what i can see in my daily life. Maybe 80% manginas.

My Goal: To Leave Society.

[Anonymous 3]

11k, generous estimates at 50k. Let’s just multiply that by 5 or so, to get everyone.

250k out of 7.3 BILLION. Now some of that 7.3B are women, a little less than half. so let’s just say 4B men.

Let’s write out these numbers.

250,000 out of 4,000,000,000.

Want a percentage? Ok, that gives you 0.00006.25% of the male population is MGTOW.

LOL. I love you guys, you know that, love this site, love the staff, I like to think I contribute a bit and such. But we are pretty much nothing.

People are mentioning marriage rates and the like, but the percentage isn’t really that much different, and people still get married usually, just later on. Women implode a lot of those marriages, or most of these men would stay married. And yes a lot of it is indeed economic too.

The higher income a man is, generally speaking, the higher likelihood he is married.

But let’s put marriage away for a second. The reason why society will never change is marriage is not a requirement anyway. As long as a man is in a relationship with a woman, and she is getting resources, then that is still not really MGTOW. The women are getting most of what they want, if anything they have an even easier branch swing opportunity available.

The number of guys that refuse to pursue relationships at all is so tiny. And every pursuit is really heavily pussy begging, so what can you really say about the mentality behind it?

It is what it is, not looking to convince anyone, judge anyone, or even to have a “movement.” MGTOW or any other term you want to call it, doesn’t matter to me. I just find it nice to at least have some dudes to talk to that aren’t totally plugged into the gynocracy. Even if it’s for a little while, even if it’s only on the internet, even if many of these dudes will just drop out of “MGTOW” whatever it means to them.

But I try to strive for accuracy, so I mention this. If you don’t think most dudes in society aren’t still chasing pussy and trying to get married or will get married, you are mistaken imo.

[Anonymous 11]

It’s a real thing though it’s completely within yourself.

It’s also a process where you make continuous movement towards a goal of realizing your full native potential. Women, corporations and society at large will never be the same once you let the red pill assume control. It’s a very challenging quest, and you may even backslide on occasion.

Also, this board is one hell of a resource. I recently had the brothers have a red pill intervention with me with very solid advice from all quarters. Men taking time out to help a Brother in need. That’s what we’re about. I woke up this morning with a new attitude about my problem. The stress is gone, and I will do the right thing for myself.

MGTOW is freedom.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

In hindsight, maybe I should have asked how big is MGTOW. That’s what I was trying to get at.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[BigvernParticipant 1983]

Well all I know is that even though I have been on this site for 6 months almost.
Every day, even if I do not have the time to read all new posts, since my last visit, I ALWAYS look at how many men ♂ have joined mgtow.com, sometimes several times a day.
It makes my mood lift when I see 3/5 new members, since my last visit, later on I’ll see that there are another few members have joined.
I have noted that the amount of men joining mgtow.com every day increases exponentially, when compared to the current member list.

The fact that there are over 11’100 members as from today makes me smile contently inside and gives us men more and more strength ? to be able to help educate each other about the pitfalls of modern wimmin and this gynocentric society.

I believe that if there are over 11’100 members here now, there must be potentially millions of mgtow around the world, it’s just that the feminazi news/media outlets do not report about mgtow, (because they’d be shamed of course), so in the future we WILL get to the point where at least 50 members will be joining up every day, and that will keep increasing exponentially!

The simple realisation of what this modern society is about, is why men keep signing up to be educated and amazed at there lost lives, and the realisation of the indoctrinated lies of wimmin and governments.

mgtow is a symptom of a f~~~ed society, which of course is mens fault!
Of course wimmin and mra’s will attack this site, as they continually try to do, but by attacking mgtow’s, they are wasting there time, you cannot ‘fix’ an illness by just dealing with the symptoms, you have to examine the root cause of the said symptom.
Wimmin and mra’s never seem to realise this fact – MGTOW is not the f~~~ing problem bitches, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, NOT MGTOW.

However, we as mgtow’s will never attempt to look too hard at wimmin’s problems and the disease that is feminism, we, unlike them will not be trying to ‘cure’ society of feminism. We are concentrating on ourselves for the first time in our lives, we have already created this wonderful world that wimmin are trying their best to f~~~ up.
We do not have time for their bulls~~~ and drama, we DO NOT CARE ANYMORE.

We mgtow’s do not need fixing, unlike wimmin do.
Moreover we are just growing stronger by educating ourselves and our brothers.

I wonder how many new members have joined up, while I’ve written this reply!?

I bathe in tears of ALL wimmin, ha ha ha……..LURKERS JOIN US FOR A BEER ASAP, just be careful if you are using the Internet at work – those feminazi HR bitches really don’t like men these days!!

"What made you think, there'd be a livin' in sheep?, Eat, Work, Eat Work and Sleep" - Mark Knopfler.

[BigvernParticipant 1983]

Just checked the member list guys, we are now 11’121 strong, now that really is ‘exponential’ growth of mgtow.com!

Keep it coming fellas.

"What made you think, there'd be a livin' in sheep?, Eat, Work, Eat Work and Sleep" - Mark Knopfler.

[Anonymous 5]

MGTOW is on the verge of exploding in popularity. 2016 is going to be THE year for MGTOW. Very exciting times ahead of us. C~~~s are going to be furious.

[Anonymous 5]

Mgtow is a wave that shall flood the land of the lies ;). Just saying in relation to the topic 11k is only a number- the truth I believe is far more! Legions sir legions.

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