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We’ve been talking about #ICETHEMOUT and #MANOUT for a while now, and I’ve seen a lot of comments around here about just not interacting with women, etc. to avoid any chance of being accused of misconduct, etc.
But is it really that simple?
For many of us, our daily lives still involve having to interact with a number of women. Whether we want to or not, and it will continue for quite some time. I am assuming there are a lot of us here who still have day jobs, working to keep things together, and in those jobs the plethora of women entering the workplace has ingrained them into every aspect of it.
So for those who are in the workplace, there is no escape from having to deal with women on a daily basis. Even those who are not still have to deal with them at the store, the restaurant, the gas station, etc.
We’ve all seen the great advice for body cams, minimal interaction, in-car dash cams, etc… these are all great measures to protect yourself and I recommend them… but at many workplaces I’m sure they would frown upon it for you to walk around with a camera on all day. Though I’ve done it recently, I’ve stopped after concerns about security being interested in what I’m doing as it might violate some of our company rules and policies, especially regarding data leakage.
I do try to limit my interactions with women at work and elsewhere, but they are going to happen. Recently I told the story of a night where approached by a woman to help with her car I refused, and I stand by that, but you can’t always avoid it. I deal with cashiers, the lady at the post office, the waitresses, etc. I do minimize my contact and don’t engage them in conversation…
After writing this, I thought I had a clearer point, but what I am getting at is what else can we do to effectively #ICETHEMOUT ? Aside from becoming a hermit and having Amazon deliver me everything (which would probably be delivered by a woman), how does one up their avoidance level beyond basic disregard? Especially when still deeply rooted in the corporate system?
Is there something more we need to do, like encourage these new male oriented legal firms that fight for men’s rights? Or somehow push for penalties for false accusers? Or is ghosting the only way?
Maybe I’m just too deep in Galt’s Gulch in my 5th read through of Atlas Shrugged again…
No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.
You can’t avoid them completely unless you have tons of money. Sadly i have no answer for you Gerald. I believe things are going to continue to deteriorate before the whole system implodes. This could go on for quite some time. This is why so many men are taking their own lives.
ITS a matter of balance I think Gerald.
Recognise that unless you literally become a hermit you are going to encounter women day by day and have interactions with them.
I guess it’s a case of thinking about the type of roles the women you encounter are in. If it’s a cashier or teller she is likely to interact with loads of men as well as women each day. You are probably just another face she quickly forgets.
That’s in contrast to coming upon a lone female in a remote location who might be broken down.
Sensibly she should be avoided.I could give other examples but I think two at each end of the spectrum might highlight the point I am trying to make.
There are many scenarios between the two examples I give here and as I said it’s just finding a healthy safe balance.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
Anonymous3Realistically you have to ghost most of the time. For all the talk about women tearing men’s pants off, throwing them onto the ground and jumping on top for a ride, that actually does not happen in real life. That is really some dumb fantasy that men come up with and pretend happens.
Just be courteous, civil, brief and terse, and that is enough. Women aren’t going to initiate anything and do anything. Most of the men with problems are constantly flirting and being overly friendly. When you act friendly, women take that as an invitation to inquire about your life details. When you act professional, women don’t care and will at most make small talk, if you just shrug and barely talk they will always say “oh he’s just quiet/shy” and leave you completely alone, aside from giving you some gifts and candy sometimes.
Think of the manly men of yesteryear. The image was real, stoic men that didn’t talk much. Those men died off and we have the modern chatterbox male that is always talking, is following pop culture and always has an opinion and is easy to trigger, then pretends he is the completely victim that couldn’t have done anything else.
Ghosting is easy if you’re actually fed up with the bulls~~~. Ghosting is hard if you really just want to be popular and want attention.
Great topic, man.
We have the same thoughts. It is clearly impossible to avoid women completely. I will try to describe my approach briefly.
1. Work
Obviously, this one is the biggest challenge. I am working as an IT manager in a car industry and I actually like my job, however there are many women in the office. No need to say, most of them are nothing more than decorative objects brought in by the simp supervisors. Their level of arrogance and ignorance is so high they do not realize that. They are working as assistants etc, so they dont screw up anything important.
Anyway, I am approaching them only when there is no other way and strictly about work stuff. No weather discussion, no emotions, no what was I doing on a weekend, simply nothing. Personal questions can be answered easily – I am sorry, I am very busy / not allowed to discuss personal stuff during working hours / headphones deep down my ears.
Of course, I am the weird one, sociopath, bitter one, virgin for ever.. /irony Oh god, it is really tearing my veins /end irony2. Outside work
I believe it is a piece of cake. You do not have to talk to them at all and there cannot be any consequences. If you do, just get that over with as quick as possible.Being brief and polite is the key, no matter where you meet them. I believe they can feel my mindset somehow and do not even try to approach me at all. I consider talking to women just a waste of time. Every conversation they lead is just oriented to find out if they can make you their minion / if you have money / if you can be USED in any way. You are supposed to entertain, pay and worship.
I am bitter probably, but NFG, because mainly, I AM FREE.
I just don't trust anything that bleeds for five days and doesn't die.
I think its a state of mind. We will always have to interact with women but we don’t have to go that extra mile. We don’t have to:
Open doors for them
Help them fix s~~~
Help them move s~~~
Give them attentionetc…
There is an action in labour circles called “Work to Rule” which is often evoked by labour to curtail there actions to the bare minimum of work they are required under contract. I would suggest the same thing with women: interact with them the bare minimum required by law, your job duties etc…
But is it really that simple?
As luck would have it misandry today, a featured video in the MTGOW site, addresses the same question. In the end it will be up to you to decide. I see woman, work with woman, and I am around woman all day and get along just fine while staying the MGTOW course.
Look for this one. The link did not deep-link for me.
THE DOJO: MGTOW GHOSTING – AVOID RELATIONSHIPS, NOT WOMEN
If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.
Anonymous121) Do not hire them.
Neither them or their Enablers.2)know who you give your business to. / choose with your wallet
– the gas station i used to buy my Fanta and Red bull from is officially run by an old man, but in reality his wife took over.
She does a great job at 65+, anywhere between 0600 to 2200.
But the DAUGHTER, around 30, entitled and spoiled by hardworking parents is on the payroll too, as a “manager”. Is never there, popped out a wombtard, is now on parental leave for a Year and collects local sympathies when she brings the Brat to the Shop when she visits to “check on things”
I stopped giving them my money when this development unfolded – the Shop benefits an useless, entitled, uneducated woman who mooches off her parent´s work.I work in a hospital system chock full of gina’s…can’t avoid them completely. But…through the grapevine, I am told the hive does ask “How come that guy never says hello?” and s~~~ like that. So, I know it’s having a bit of a ripple effect. There are a couple of MILF types that all the simps are falling all over to impress and date. One of them is pretty nice looking actually. I have been here for years and never said “Hi” to her one time. I just walk by and keep rolling. It used to be I didn’t talk to her because I was in a relations~~~ and I didn’t think that was cool. Once the relations~~~ blew up and I decided to pursue my PHD in MGTOW, I continued that streak by never talking to her, or anyone else in this place if I could avoid it. It’s really that easy…..just don’t engage. #MANOUT!
An educated, armed populace cannot be enslaved.
Anonymous54I worked with a bitch with a bad attitude the other night.
I say nothing.But shes gonna have some embarresing moments next time.
The bridge will be up a half step!!!
Oops.my bad….hahhahaha
Glad I dont work in an office.
Unless you live in unique circumstances, you can’t eliminate women from your life completely. You can only manage their presence in your life. As for icing them out, I interpret that to mean no romance, pair-bonding, protection, financial assistance, etc. Just avoid any notion of gender roles. Whether it’s you interacting with a woman at work over the course of years, or with a woman at the cash register, she’s just the person on the other side of that particular business transaction.
I am retired now, but my next to last supervisor was a full-blown feminist and it was constant disruption with her. Fortunately, a fellow worker had 30 years experience and told me how we had to handle her. Never before had I ever gone to the Union for anything in any job, but with her it was a constant. My fellow worker clued me in not to argue with here, but bring up the issue with the union, which means we won almost every time. She was absolutely the worst supervisor I had in all my decades in the work force. On the other hand, the first female supervisor I had many years earlier was older, wiser, and was one of the best supervisor I had.
So every situation is different and you need to see what tools and tested strategies that you learn here to lay low and keep out of trouble.
Anonymous3I am retired now, but my next to last supervisor was a full-blown feminist and it was constant disruption with her. Fortunately, a fellow worker had 30 years experience and told me how we had to handle her. Never before had I ever gone to the Union for anything in any job, but with her it was a constant. My fellow worker clued me in not to argue with here, but bring up the issue with the union, which means we won almost every time. She was absolutely the worst supervisor I had in all my decades in the work force. On the other hand, the first female supervisor I had many years earlier was older, wiser, and was one of the best supervisor I had.
So every situation is different and you need to see what tools and tested strategies that you learn here to lay low and keep out of trouble.
But that’s the issue entirely. Imagine a male supervisor who behaved that way. He would be called unprofessional and removed, and most people would remember it.
A woman does it, and everyone has to walk around that and deal with it. There’s just nothing that will be done to her.
And that’s what female privilege is. It’s the old law where nobles can walk around insulting you and physically attacking you, even injuring you, and lifting a hand to defend yourself is punished because it is their right. Eventually that old law passed because the people got fed up. But this time it’s an entire gender. What happens now? I don’t even know, it’s really amazing. An entire gender elevated to the aristocrat class, the largest privileged class in all of human history.
but at many workplaces I’m sure they would frown upon it for you to walk around with a camera on all day.
Be a nerd. Get a pocket protector. Carry pens in it.
But that’s the issue entirely. Imagine a male supervisor who behaved that way. He would be called unprofessional and removed, and most people would remember it.
A woman does it, and everyone has to walk around that and deal with it. There’s just nothing that will be done to her.Yup, you nailed it Phoenix. Nothing was done to her because she was a woman. She finally quite because all the workers under her, including the women, realized she was trouble on every front, and none of us would go along with her goofy attitudes and programs.
“Is there something more we need to do, like encourage these new male oriented legal firms that fight for men’s rights? Or somehow push for penalties for false accusers? Or is ghosting the only way?”
Good question. I think that the answer is both. Passive resistance / avoidance is going to give you personal security to a degree. Security for men as a group however will only come from pressure groups who apply pressure where it counts.
Woman couldn’t give a f~~~ of Mr Ordinary ices them out on his own. He is not the boss, he is not a sports star, a reality TV star or a pop star, he is not Chad Thunderc~~~ either. He is not even on their radar unless they want a favour and then someone else will probably do it. The kind of men who mostly get hurt are the nice guys, the ordinary guys without deep pockets but with big hearts. Women don’t care about these guys. So if we are to be safe, yes we need to band together.
Workers realised it, women realised it, blacks realised it and men will have to realise it too. It works when you get a movement going. At first they will mock you, then they will attack you viciously when they know you are a threat, then they will come to say “they were heros blazing the trail” The truth will be the same all through the process only the herd will see it the way they are told to see it.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
But is it really that simple?
Yes. It really is that simple.
You don’t quite understand what #ICETHEMOUT is about and that means you don’t quite understand MGTOW too.
It’s not about creating and maintaining a physical separation from women.
It’s about creating and maintaining a mental distance from women.
It’s about no longer letting women into your life and avoiding becoming part of their lives. While polite, you remain aloof. You tell them nothing about yourself and stop them from telling you anything about themselves. You no longer help them, provide advice, mentor, or assist them in any way.
Zarathustra made a great analogy in this thread. When dealing with women, men should follow the “Work to Rule” tactic successfully used by unions. You only do those things and those things alone which the law and your job says you must.
Got a female co-worker? Do your only work and none of her work. Don’t open doors, lift boxes, move equipment, or provide any other assistance beyond that which is in your job description. Don’t talk with her about anything which isn’t directly work related.
Dealing with the female clerk, teller, or other service provider? Limit your interaction to the transaction only. Ignore any “chit-chat” and stay “business only”.
Ice them out of your inner life. You can be in the middle of an all-female crowd and still remain distant. It’s just a matter of mindset.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Just be courteous, civil, brief and terse, and that is enough. Most of the men with problems are constantly flirting and being overly friendly
I think this was well said. Good advice and observation.
#ICETHEMOUT
When I first saw this “hashtag thing” I thought it said ICE THE MOUT and I didn’t understand it. Took awhile. I never understood or endorsed hashtags. I also have never had Twitter or those other things like Facebook. I prefer the #MANOUT thing. Its brevity and meaning is a plus.
Phoenix, with due respect, I have a few disagreements with you again. I hope there is no grudge since we sort of had this same exact disagreement in the other post about the label Millennials. It’s just a conversation.
You said,
Think of the manly men of yesteryear. The image was real, stoic men that didn’t talk much
Full stop, this is a pop meme in itself that was sold to us via Charlston Heston movies and WW2 stuff. In reality, men were no different than other men today. Different time, different tech, different amounts of MSM propaganda poisoning popular opinion.
Obviously, the meme clung to you because this is the second time you’ve sainted the older generation right before you say something like this:
the modern chatterbox male that is always talking, is following pop culture and always has an opinion and is easy to trigger, then pretends he is the completely victim
Maybe I’m the only one who sees how stereotypical and short sighted this is. As if the 40’s and 50’s was void of men with opinions, or that didn’t follow the current trends, or that was never offended. As said before, this is a delusion you are under that was sold to you by MSM.
And again I say to you to stop painting people under 30 as sissies. Calling them malingerers and wussies. Its misandry, its a lie.
MEN ARE STRONG. TODAYS MEN, ARE STRONG. You need to go out and meet some men who are younger than you and confirm the fact that so-called “millennials” have just as much sand as their grand dads. Anyone who says different is full of s~~~.
Boys who are in their teens are always unsure of themselves and obnoxious, it doesn’t matter if they were born in 1930 or 2000. And boys in their 20’s drink and run their mouths, regardless of the decade. We’re not all living in some Lifetime network drama or cut from the latest issue of GQ. We’re real men. Please drop the stereotype myth bro, or atleast consider that we may both be right.
When I first saw this “hashtag thing” I thought it said ICE THE MOUT and I didn’t understand it. Took awhile.
That’s your problem.
I never understood or endorsed hashtags. I also have never had Twitter or those other things like Facebook.
A majority of the men here can say the same. I have no Facebook or Twitter account. I only use the “hashtag” in question as a bit of shorthand.
I prefer the #MANOUT thing. Its brevity and meaning is a plus.
So, despite neither understanding or endorsing hashtags, you’re suggesting we use another one which you prefer?
Good to know.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
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