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Hey guys. I was wondering what y’all thought. Dutch Treat (each person pays their own way) in dating. Is this no longer a thing? Does the woman expect the guy to pay? What are your experiences?
Cheers All.
"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore RooseveltI can’t answer that. The last time I was on a date was when Bill Clinton was still U. S. president.
Anonymous42Double Dutch Chocolate, MMMMM ! Double dutch dating Yuccccccck!
You guys are hilarious!! (seriously – no sarcasm here). Thanks for posting anyhoo…
"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore RooseveltI dunno. Frankly I don’t really put that much thought into it.
Dutch is awkward even with male friends.This whole Idea of “paying”…. I don’t even like it with my guy friends. It’s a non issue. Only with women is it an “issue” over who pays. They are f~~~ing 4 year olds about it. They are actually CONSCIOUS about “who pays”. Like who f~~~ing cares who pays.
I go out with a buddy, the check comes, maybe I get it… “hey great thanks! get you next time, man”….. and then we go back to talking. DONE! Next time he reaches for his wallet and I reach for mine, he says “Let me get it”, and we continue talking. It’s transparent. We barely notice. I don’t like to talk or even think about “the money”. If “the money” is an issue, I wouldn’t even go out at all.
The soul yearns for company. Dinner is just the excuse.
But women are such a f~~~ing buzzkill over this s~~~.When I was a part time waiter, OH MY GOD what a f~~~ing catastrophe when women go out together. “OK I owe $17… wait that’s not right… did I have a salad?… oh no YOU had the salad so I only owe $13……. plus tip so let me see…. is $15 enough? The service wasn’t that great…. I don’t understand the whole point of tipping anyway…. do you have 2 5s for a $10? …. no SHE had the salad.. did everyone pay? … next time we should get separate checks…. “
No the next time you should all stay f~~~ing HOME. You’re a goddam embarrassment.
It’s a 4-act Wagnerian production every single time. Twenty minutes to pay the check for a table of 6. No exaggeration. I’m happy to pay just to avoid the childish nonsense. If I pay on a “date”, it’s for that reason too – just for it to be a non issue. But I know in her mind it’s a great big f~~~ing issue so let her obsess over it.
Mostly with women (on dates in the past), I pay so i don’t owe them s~~~. Not even an explanation if I don’t call her again.
Then when she bumps into me some other time “hey why didn’t call me?”… I play stupid.
“What do you mean? I paid for dinner. Why do you think I should call you again??”BUT!!!! There is another HUGE upside to paying!
When I pay, I order for her. I TELL her what she is going to eat. This freaks women out. They think I am some misogynist f~~~ing dinosaur Don Draper stuck in the 50s…. but guess what. If I invited her over to my house for dinner she doesn’t get to CHOOSE S~~~. She will eat what I f~~~ing serve her. Therefore , in a restaurant – as my guest – she will eat what I f~~~ing DECIDE she will eat. Or she can LEAVE.
HA HA. Choke on that, bitches.
Men who pay – AND let her choose from the menu – haven’t thought this through very carefully.
So… if she wants to choose from the menu. SHE pays for her own meal.
Say it right to her face. Right then and there. Establish that s~~~.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Thanks KeyMaster. Wise words to live buy indeed. Plus – I always enjoy the stories. You have wit AND a golden quill sir!!
"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore Roosevelt
Anonymous42@key, F~~~in-A, I have a friend I sold a 3500CFM rotary screw compressor, John-Deer turbo diesel, I gave it to him for my cost, and gave him a couple of yrs to pay, I can tell you the exchange rate: “friendship”! I can’t stand penny counting, penny pinching, cheep f~~~s. Just the other day before the storm, I was getting diesel fuel in a container, and tipped the guy a buck, This f~~~ing c~~~ in her gas-pig was looking at me like I was crazy. The guy standing out side all day pumping fuel, she’s acting like he’s her f~~~ing slave, that’s the kind of s~~~ I see all the time. This sense of royal entitlement is embedded in woman. That’s why I don’t play their royal-clam f~~~ing game! It’s bulls~~~, and must end, one way or the MGTOW other!
Uggggg! This Dutch Shiet really gets under my Muthaf~~~in’ Skin!
I recently cut off (mostly likely temporarily) a platonic female friend of mine who after agreeing to meet at a restaurant. We ate pretty expensively. When the bill came, she was like “…Iyou can always make a donation…” code for “You should pay for both of us.”
F~~~ that Shiet!
That hardly EVER happens with one of my guy buddies Like Key Master said, Guys might ‘comp’ each other out of the spirit of the Brotherhood (i.e. “I got you Dawg”, “No problem, Playa, “Mi Sushi, Su Sushi”).
Women…..Shiet….
They’re always be plotting for the Guy to Pay.
F~~~in’ Entitlement without a promise of a F~~~. 🙁
Taking a girl to a restaurant and ordering for her is brilliant, Keymaster. I’m looking forward to doing this as I can already see how this is going to go:
Waiter: “Ready to order?”
Me: “Yes. I’ll have the surf and turf butterfly cut and cooked medium with mixed greens on the side and my date here will have the salad and crackers.”
Date: “Why do you get surf and turf and I only get a salad?”
Me: “Because you’re probably just going to go stick your finger down your throat after dinner and yack it up anyway…”Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
I totally agree with KeyMaster about the way paying for dinner should work. With my guy friends and the two long-standing female friends I have, one or the other of us grabs the check and we just move on. We’ve been friends for so long that we don’t even bother counting who bought what. With one of my guy friends, we even make it into a little production where whichever of us thinks to do it first pitches up a “We’re celebrating and it’s on me!” kind of thing which usually gets us asked what the celebration is (can be anything… new client, bought something cool, dumped a bitch, woke up and dick still works, doesn’t matter) and almost always at least one round of free drinks just for bringing positive energy to the place.
And yeah, I order for females to. I figure if I’m paying, I’m the majority shareholder and I call the shots. “We’re going to Herbs & Rye to celebrate my dick still working… I’m having a filet oscar style and you’re having one plain, medium rare with chimichurri and a side of asparagus. And a Moscow Mule.” and if she makes a squeak say “You always want to eat whatever I end up ordering anyway but fine, if you think you know what you like better than I do, you order for yourself and we’ll do separate checks.”
Hey, it wasn’t that long ago that they used to have “date menus” which had all the items on them but no prices. I say we go back to the time where the person that pays the fiddler calls the tune.
“Woke up, dick still works!” LMBO @DocFenderson’s post.
I swear by it guys. It’s SO amusing and can turn an otherwise drab dating situation into a REALLY fun time in under 15 minutes. It’s actually WORTH being prepared to pay for her! Women are so f~~~ing boring and unoriginal, but you can have a great time even if she is a drag by just inviting her out, you are prepared to pay. And when the waiter drops the menus, she will pick one up and ….
“NO NO NO NO….. I invited you out as my guest so you will eat what I DECIDE you will eat”.
“OMG WHAT???”
“What do you mean “OMG WHAT”? If you were my guest for dinner at my place, you don’t get a f~~~ing menu. You will eat what I decide to serve. Or you politely say NO THANK YOU and eat nothing at all. In what universe did you think you get to choose as someone’s GUEST? Have you ever been out with a man before? Is this your first date in your f~~~ing life or something?”.
“OMG … NO.”
“Then who’s the f~~~ing pathetic piece of s~~~ mangina who paid for your meal and let you CHOOSE it? I’, not a controlling person or forcing you to eat what I want, you can have WHATEVER you want, but you will pay for it.”
Just use your imagination here. It’s wildly entertaining. Take it as FAR as you want. Paying for her f~~~ing fish taco is worth the expression on her face. You would be surprised at the kind of BJ this leads to as well.
Best part is… for the REST OF HER LIFE, she will never forget you.
You just set a precedent. Permanently f~~~ed with her head. Even if she gets up and leaves, man wins.+1 western entitlement bitch schooled.
lolz
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Oh KeyMaster your posts always make me laugh and at the same time give good advice, it’s f~~~ing gold.
Ninja James said:
I recently cut off (mostly likely temporarily) a platonic female friend of mine who after agreeing to meet at a restaurant. We ate pretty expensively. When the bill came, she was like “…you can always make a donation…” code for “You should pay for both of us.”
LOL, what’s the rest give us the full story! So what happened afterwards, did you pay or not? how did the entitled c~~~ react?
I have a similar story, I was 16 and working fast food at a shopping mall. I went to go grab some food for my lunch break from a different restaurant. When I told this to my female co-worker she said to me “Hey you should buy me something.” I couldn’t f~~~ing believe it! I almost exploded on her for being such an entitled c~~~. Instead I gave her a weird look, laughed, and said “I’m not your boyfriend.”
This girl was really really pretty and used to boys bending over backwards for her. The look on her face was f~~~ing priceless, shock and horror. I was probably the only man in her entire life to ever decline one of her demands.
[url url=http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2d6337/i_was_divorce_raped_dont_be_me] I'm paying her 25% of my salary over the next eight years. I had to pay my lawyer, her lawyer, 50% of all my retirement funds and give her another few thousand dollars to make her go away. It cost me $20 to get married and will cost me over $220,000 to get divorced. [/url]
@gref – good story – love it.
@keymaster – I gotta say ‘ditto’ to what Gref posted regarding your input KeyMaster – you never dissapoint.
@mgtower – Hey man – I am a little confused as to why you are at -31. Did a group of Femi-Nazis vote down your posts?
I am confused because I thought you had a lot of ‘likes’ recently. If it is not my business – then just tell me to ‘Shut the f~~~ up – BITCH!!’ and I will go cry in my Chamomile Tea.
Peace.
"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore RooseveltI’m in the UK and the term “going dutch” doesn’t even exist in our vocabulary here, so I think that’s almost completely off the table. A friend of mine did say he had some success by telling women that he was going somewhere and asking if they’d like to join him, which is to say they understood they’d be paying for themselves. I’m not convinced of that personally as he was single at the time and seemed to have some s~~~ty luck with women, but maybe there’s something to it if he had women show up at all.
When I first became a red pill man I had a profile on POF and I wondered if I would get increased respect or replies by flat out refusing to to put up with her princess bulls~~~ of getting things paid for, so I put in the ‘first date’ section of my profile the suggestion of going to a pub and splitting the bar bill, which is to say she would take her turn getting the drinks in and this actually did me no favours there and resulted in no replies at all.
Personally I’ve had a woman offer to pay her share before but I turned her down and whilst that’s something that didn’t go anywhere for other reasons I wonder now what reaction I’d have got if I’d accepted her offer to pay for herself, which is not even something I’d have considered then. Has anyone tried doing that? If so I’d be interested to hear how that went, thanks 🙂
Anonymous2I am actually living in The Netherlands but going Dutch isn’t as common around here as the saying might imply. On the first date men are still expected to pick up the bill by most women. Now for me that usually comes down to a few coffees and her tea. If expenses get larger (say, dinner) a good deal of women will offer to chip in, depending on their financial status. I do make financial status and education selection criteria in order for the date to happen in the first place. Why not? They do as well. Return the favor and don’t date poor, uneducated women.
I don’t mind taking a women to dinner, as that means I will pick the restaurant. Usually that basicly cuts her CHOICE into a maximum of TWO dishes which both will be good and healthy since the good restaurants I visit don’t have a f~~~ing maze of a menu with 100 crappy things on it, but treat you as a guest instead of a customer to begin with.
rngghow, I’ve accepted on such occasions with a simple “That’s very cool of you, guess we can do two dates now. How about next week?” The Dutch often solve an awkward situation with humor, and it’s culturally accepted to openly speak about money (although flaunting it is frowned upon). Usually I will pay for the first date regardless, just to see how hard a woman will tug at your wallet on a night out. Too valuable second-date criteria to ignore.
The girl I’ve been seeing casually understands it. Actually, she paid for me on our first date, so maybe I’m just lucky.
At the very least, it’s a good qualifying factor. If only .01% of the female population is worth dating, telling them flat-out that your expect to split ought to cut out, what, 98%?
Richard Feynman always advised to never buy a woman anything if you want to bed her. This is especially true these days with regards to alcohol. And it works even better if you don’t particularly care about sleeping with her. Speaking of alcohol, I find it’s best to skip dinner altogether and just meet at a bar. Make sure the bar staff knows up front you’re running separate tabs so she pays for her own drinks. You don’t want to be accused of trying to get her drunk after all. Even better, in some bars if you stick to non-alcoholic drinks as the designated driver you can drink for free while she pays for her own. This leaves you alert and fully able to appreciate her reaction when she sees her tab.
I go out with a buddy, the check comes, maybe I get it… “hey great thanks! get you next time, man”….. and then we go back to talking. DONE! Next time he reaches for his wallet and I reach for mine, he says “Let me get it”, and we continue talking. It’s transparent. We barely notice. I don’t like to talk or even think about “the money”. If “the money” is an issue, I wouldn’t even go out at all.
I mentioned in another thread how men cooperate through mutual reliance. Here’s a perfect example of that in the modern world, only now it’s a waiter with a bill instead of a rampaging sabertooth. Men readily pay the tab for their buddies because they know they can rely on their buddies to get the tab in the future. Meanwhile women with their exchange based mentality will spend forever working out who pays what to whom.
It’s funny how God / nature gave men the superior mathematical ability to actually deal with working out a restaurant check while it’s women who insist on actually doing it. Of course maybe it’s because men can do the math that they can rapidly come to the correct answer that it’s not worth their time.
Anonymous2I had a date with a girl last week. She wanted to pay for our drinks as I had already spent some money on a train ticket. I offered to chip in, but she insisted. Go figure.
Richard Feynman always advised to never buy a woman anything if you want to bed her.
No wonder he got the Nobel Prize!
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