Is an MBA worth anything?

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

This week I was discussing with a guy who has a BS degree in engineering and an MBA from a big 10 school. I had to ELI5 why rent controls drive up housing prices.

Are you kidding me? Supply and demand. I dabble in Econ/ behavioral Econ for fun.

Is an MBA worth anything?

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[Anonymous 43]

apparently not.

it means someone spent 18 months and $40K to get a piece of paper

[OldBillParticipant]

Not anymore and it hasn’t been for a couple of decades now. Too many schools began offering it and too many of those schools programs were little more than rubber stamp credential mills.

While ones from Wharton, Carnegie-Mellon, or similar schools might be worthwhile, ones from most schools are nothing more than very expensive, framed, wall hangings.

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[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

I find it makes a difference depending on the age of the person with the degree. Men who are retired or near retirement are typically very knowledgeable about the subject matter of their degree. I can’t usually say the same for later generations.

The content of the material isn’t even so much the issue as the way it’s taught. Rather than passing or failing based on your ability to demonstrate knowledge of the content, you are passed for parroting the professor’s liberal rhetoric and failed for refusing to do so.

Even highly technical degrees in many schools are now of dubious quality.

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[AwakenedParticipant 35216]

It MIGHT Fulfill a requirement for advancement, but other then that I’m not sure at just how much it’s worth on it’s own without MEANINGFUL Experience.

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[OldBillParticipant]

Can’t Stump Trump wrote:

Even highly technical degrees in many schools are now of dubious quality.

Exactly. Anything resembling intellectual rigor in most schools and degree programs is long gone. Before the 1980s yuppies turned the MBA into a Cracker Jacks prize, you didn’t go for your MBA right after finishing your undergrad degree. Instead, you worked in business for several years after graduation and went back for your MBA if or when you got slotted into the upper management track. The men getting MBAs were in the 30s or early 40s with 10+ years of experience. Now it’s a 21 year old whose only work experience is either summer internships or wearing a paper hat and repeating “Do you want fries with that?”

Werner von Braun told a story about how he was taught the difference between classwork and real work. He was the Nazi missile designer the US grabbed after the war to work for NASA. He had graduated from a series of excellent German technical schools and had successfully sat for various licensing boards when he was hired for his first real job. He showed up in a suit and tie only to have his supervisor hand him a pair of coveralls and walk him down to a machine shop.

In the shop, Braun was taken to a work bench where there was a collection of hand tools and a lump of steel about the size of his head. The supervisor told Braun to make a cube out of the lump. While the dimensions of the cube didn’t matter, each the length of each side had to be within a very tiny tolerance of the others, the sides had to be parallel to their opposites by an equally tiny tolerance, and the sides had to be finished (polished) to an equally high standard.

Braun said that by the time he was done, the head-sized lump of steel had been reduced to a cube about two inches on a side.

Braun also said he learned more about engineering during the months it took him to craft that cube than he did during the years he spent in school.

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[TwistParticipant]

I got one from a good school 30 years ago. The $7,500 investment was one of the best I ever made. Today – f~~~ it. Unless you had a company backing/funding you.

Dime a dozen.

[Anonymous 38]

Ten a penny. Nowadays those who best learn the game will rise to the top.

[SESQUI ano estParticipant 2535]

As my daddy used to always say.
MBA = Make Bucks from Air
You could slot them into a bigger company where what they did mattered little but you would never let an MBA near a small business if you wanted it to stay in business.
Obviously he generalized a little but in many cases that holds true today.

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[OldBillParticipant]

SESQUI ano est wrote:

MBA = Make Bucks from Air

Perfect! I’ll be using that one soon.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[TheSpiceParticipant 2644]

I’d say most non-technical degrees are worthless. Even so, I knew a girl with a Masters degree in Computer Security that couldn’t troubleshoot a very basic computer problem if her life depended on it.

I don’t trust any degrees. Talk with the person for a short while and you’ll quickly be able to discern what they know. Have written correspondence with them to determine their level of professionalism and use of the English language.

It’s a sad state of affairs when people with Masters degrees from US Universities can’t formulate coherent sentences and bring zero knowledge to the table, but it happens all the time now.

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[SESQUI ano estParticipant 2535]

OldBill wrote:

SESQUI ano est wrote:
MBA = Make Bucks from Air

Perfect! I’ll be using that one soon.

Daddy was a cynical bastard and he could point out the bad side of anyone or anything. Nevertheless he was a comforting bastard to be around and everyone liked him for the s~~~ he was. Just wish he’d been around to see MGTOW take off. He needed to know he wasn’t the only one going through what he went through in life.

Everyday above ground is a good one. Everyday above ground while single...better still.

[Anonymous 12]

In Australia so many people have a degree or some other piece of paper now that I think the value has dropped remarkably.

[experiencedParticipant]

There may be a trend toward employers seeking uniqueness, as in productive uniqueness.
I agree with the post responses.
All pendulums tend to cycle however.
Any chance of putting the finger on the pulse of current business headhunters may help.
My money until the above were done, would be on a degree that involves
Problem solving.
Problem solvers seem always to be in demand, bulls~~~ters-not so much.

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[MaverickParticipant 811]

OldBill wrote:

Not anymore and it hasn’t been for a couple of decades now. Too many schools began offering it and too many of those schools programs were little more than rubber stamp credential mills.

Yes, it seems like every rinky dunk campus offers an MBA these days. My employer recently hired an MBA to do a technical job (don’t ask me why). The guy lasted two months and he was gone.

[MaverickParticipant 811]

OldBill wrote:

Exactly. Anything resembling intellectual rigor in most schools and degree programs is long gone. Before the 1980s yuppies turned the MBA into a Cracker Jacks prize, you didn’t go for your MBA right after finishing your undergrad degree. Instead, you worked in business for several years after graduation and went back for your MBA if or when you got slotted into the upper management track. The men getting MBAs were in the 30s or early 40s with 10+ years of experience. Now it’s a 21 year old whose only work experience is either summer internships or wearing a paper hat and repeating “Do you want fries with that?”

And a lot of these companies hire these 20 something managers (some without MBA’s) instead of promoting an experienced worker who knows what they are doing. The only qualification that they have is “knowing someone”.

[MorpheusParticipant 2177]

Maverick wrote:

OldBill wrote:

Exactly. Anything resembling intellectual rigor in most schools and degree programs is long gone. Before the 1980s yuppies turned the MBA into a Cracker Jacks prize, you didn’t go for your MBA right after finishing your undergrad degree. Instead, you worked in business for several years after graduation and went back for your MBA if or when you got slotted into the upper management track. The men getting MBAs were in the 30s or early 40s with 10+ years of experience. Now it’s a 21 year old whose only work experience is either summer internships or wearing a paper hat and repeating “Do you want fries with that?”

And a lot of these companies hire these 20 something managers (some without MBA’s) instead of promoting an experienced worker who knows what they are doing. The only qualification that they have is “knowing someone”.

Spot-on!

Just like you have to ask yourself with respect to women, what do they bring to the table?

[Oz-BlokeParticipant 3233]

Unfortunately we are fast approaching a world where you will need a degree to flip burgers – not because you NEED the degree to learn how to flip burgers, but because of the hundreds of applicants for that job, half could have a degree.

The McBurgerjoint manager figures a degree is a sign that the applicant can at least apply himself to something for at least 3 years. Hard to pay off a $100,000 plus student loan though with a McJob.
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Supply and demand. The more college graduates society pumps out from McColleges, the lower the percentage of them that will find work in their field of study, thereby devaluing the degrees. Pumping out 50 times more Weemens Studies graduates doesn’t suddenly create 50 times more jobs for those graduates.

Universities don’t care, they just want paying bums-on-seats to put through their sausage factory to pay the executive salaries and bonuses. In the same way there is not a doorman outside McDonalds turning away obese customers and advising them that their food choices may not be in their best long-term interests.

The upside for men from this degree deluge is there will be serious money to be made by men in the trades willing to do physical work as builders, mechanics, plumbers, welders ect.

All those princess snowflakes with their worthless Weemens Studies degrees and 100-K-plus student loan debt still need accommodation, running water, their car fixed, catfood, electricity, gas, fuel for their car, oil in their plastics, cosmetics, ect. It’s Karma to see them pay a tradesman more per hour than their nail technician.

#ManOut

[WanderingMGTOWParticipant 288]

I have been considering this for a while.

I’ve been contemplating getting an exec-mba.

I’m really not sure. I google’d it a while back and found a lot of articles arguing against, but I can’t help but think it can be, depending on your situation.

If you’re doing exec consulting, I suspect it’ll help. If you’re unemployed, probably not.

[MaverickParticipant 811]

Morpheus wrote:

Maverick wrote:

OldBill wrote:

Exactly. Anything resembling intellectual rigor in most schools and degree programs is long gone. Before the 1980s yuppies turned the MBA into a Cracker Jacks prize, you didn’t go for your MBA right after finishing your undergrad degree. Instead, you worked in business for several years after graduation and went back for your MBA if or when you got slotted into the upper management track. The men getting MBAs were in the 30s or early 40s with 10+ years of experience. Now it’s a 21 year old whose only work experience is either summer internships or wearing a paper hat and repeating “Do you want fries with that?”

And a lot of these companies hire these 20 something managers (some without MBA’s) instead of promoting an experienced worker who knows what they are doing. The only qualification that they have is “knowing someone”.

Spot-on!

Just like you have to ask yourself with respect to women, what do they bring to the table?

I’m still trying to figure that out. The department head where I work is in that category. Seems like he just comes in every day to hang out.

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