Introduction

[cardinal2007Participant 8]

I’ve been lurking in this forum for a while, so I suppose it is about time I make an introduction. I live in Silicon Valley and work in technology, so I don’t happen to really interact with that many women except for when dating, or trying to date. About a few years ago I got tired of just paying for everything, and started thinking that it is setting a tone for the relationship that I really don’t want to carry forward. If I’m going to get in any relationship I want one where I feel we are equal partners, so whenever I date I started to look for clues that she is looking for the same, like an offer to pay the bill or split the bill or get the next meal, or treat for coffee. This really shot down the number of second dates I ended up getting, but I did have one relationship that lasted a while.

Somehow I am feeling a lot more jaded as I get older, and not finding anyone anymore that really fits that bill, I don’t think all women just want some guy that would pay for everything and take care of them, but anecdotal evidence doesn’t seem to pan out that way.

To be honest I’m not sure if this is the best community for me (some people here can sound really negative), but I figured if I’m going to lurk I should at least introduce myself, and give it a chance.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

cardinal2007 wrote:

o be honest I’m not sure if this is the best community for me

That’s not a problem!. Come back when you’re sure. It was mostly created for guys that ARE sure.
They know it immediately.

cardinal2007 wrote:

I figured if I’m going to lurk I should at least introduce myself, and give it a chance.

Very glad you did! We encourage every man to take what is of value, use it, and discard the rest.

Welcome to MGTOW.

cardinal2007 wrote:

some people here can sound really negative

That’s an interesting comment , but you didn’t mention the specifics. So allow me to use an analogy to illustrate the point. Ask yourself are they REALLY “negative”???? Or do they see things EXACTLY AS THEY ARE.

For example, if I observe the moon and think to myself: “The moon has no atmosphere”. That’s not saying anything negative about the moon. That’s seeing the moon exactly for what it is. A dull and lifeless rock with no atmosphere. It’s not a negative. It’s just a FACT. Now if a bitch behaves like a bitch and I point out her bitchy behavior.. that’s not a negative either. That’s exactly what she is. If you are shopping for a car and it won’t start… you will say that it’s a piece of s~~~. Is the salesman in position to say “you’re really negative”?

So as you lurk around and make up your own mind, ask if it’s REALLY describing what it is… or if it’s “negative”.

You see a glass that’s half-empty. It’s still not a negative that you see it is as “half-empty”.
…… just like it’s not a positive to see it “half full”.

Negative is seeing it the way a feminist would: “The glass is being raped. That’s sexist”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Jeremiah JohnsonParticipant 2219]

Welcome Cardinal! Glad to meet you sir. You said a couple of comments that lead me to believe you may not have taken the red pill just yet, which is no big deal, but something you may want to look at and into. It is just like Neo, you go from a world built out of illusion and when you take the blinders off for the first time, it can seem a very ugly world. It is indeed that sir. A lot of men share their personal stories here, and while they may come off a bit negative to the casual observer, if you truly attempt to place yourself in their shoes for even a moment, you will see not negativity at all, but hurt, pain, and a general sense of having the carpet pulled right out from under them. Read more stories, watch a few more videos and form your own opinion, you will know whether or not this is the right place for you. But rest assured, we are here to positively help our fellow brother’s, share our stories, and find help with issue’s that we have know deep down inside, something just is not right…not right with the way our government has cast us out in divorce courts and family courts, the way our women have cheated, lied, and shamed us for being the very humans that built the lavish world they so enjoy. Anyway, welcome and think about taking that red pill….

Men are at a time when panning for gold in a urinal has a higher probability of success than finding a faithful and loving woman, it is time to go your own way.....

[Anonymous 0]

cardinal2007 wrote:

To be honest I’m not sure if this is the best community for me (some people here can sound really negative), but I figured if I’m going to lurk I should at least introduce myself, and give it a chance.

There are a couple different groups here. For example:
–Young men who haven’t necessarily had any really bad experiences but who register the petty hypocracies of modern feminism;
–Older guys who are currently being put through the meat grinder by an ex and are sharing their tales of torment;
–Older guys yet who have been MGTOW for some time and are enjoying the benefits of freedom and self-realization.
–And so on.

So poke around. As you learn to distinguish the different groups, you’ll see that it’s not all one thing or another. Some are down on women, and some aren’t. MGTOW is a mix of people, some venting, some supporting, some questioning, etc. You’ll relate to some better than others. But it’s interesting to hear from all types.

Thanks for checking in and doing the intro thing.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Ah the red pill rage ….. I remember those good old days ☺

As has already been said, there are guys here at all levels of ‘acceptance’. Some just starting to realise the trick, others educating themselves, some finding their path and some just living their life.

This is a fountain of knowledge. You are not forced to drink but if you do ….. only you can decide when and how much.

Come when you’re thirsty but then go and build you magnificent, independent, rewarding and MASCULINE life.

All that is asked … and not mandatory …. is you come back and add some wisdom …. should you so wish.

Welcome ☺

[RoyDalParticipant]

Welcome! Lurk or contribute all you want, just go your own way.

cardinal2007 wrote:

… I don’t think all women just want some guy that would pay for everything and take care of them, but anecdotal evidence doesn’t seem to pan out that way.

I have seen blogs where women brag about milking men for dinners, drinks, shows, and expensive presents. I’d say your anecdotal evidence is substantiated by the perpetrators’ admissions. And, why shouldn’t they take our money, if we’re so willing to shower them with it for merely spending a few hours with them?

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 42]

Come, sit, Grasshopper. Your heart does not deceive you, your eyes see the temple, your curiosity is like that of a caterpillar, in time you will understand the ways as you break from your cocoon. Many here like myself have these beautiful wings that carry us aloft, while others lost on the outside remain in their cocoons to be devoured and destroyed by the ever present times of deceit and manly destruction…

Come sit with the masters, they have much to offer, with their wisdom and skills they can catch swords while slicing bullets…

 

[StandUpGuyParticipant 334]

It is really a grieving process for many. This forum is the time and the place for it.

I moved to San Jose 12 years ago from the east cost and the women out there are slim pickings. That is many highly paid men and few women; not a good thing for dating.

My thinking is that you should spend more time here and see if you really want to swallow the red pill.

Welcome and Cheers!

[Anonymous 42]

StandUpGuy wrote:

I moved to San Jose 12 years ago from the east cost and the women out there are slim pickings.

“SLIM” pickings? What the f~~~ are you talking about? We have nothing but Atlantic Land Whales, Bewildered beasts, and the all to popular East Coast Dippopotamus!

Nothing slim around here to pick from!

 

 

 

EYE WASH HERE >>>>

 

[Binary LogicParticipant 2351]

RoyDal wrote:

I have seen blogs where women brag about milking men for dinners, drinks, shows, and expensive presents. I’d say your anecdotal evidence is substantiated by the perpetrators’ admissions. And, why shouldn’t they take our money, if we’re so willing to shower them with it for merely spending a few hours with them?

Keymaster wrote:

That’s an interesting comment , but you didn’t mention the specifics. So allow me to use an analogy to illustrate the point. Ask yourself are they REALLY “negative”???? Or do they see things EXACTLY AS THEY ARE. For example, if I observe the moon and think to myself: “The moon has no atmosphere”. That’s not saying anything negative about the moon. That’s seeing the moon exactly for what it is. A dull and lifeless rock with no atmosphere. It’s not a negative. It’s just a FACT. Now if a bitch behaves like a bitch and I point out her bitchy behavior.. that’s not a negative either. That’s exactly what she is. If you are shopping for a car and it won’t start… you will say that it’s a piece of s~~~. Is the salesman in position to say “you’re really negative”? So as you lurk around and make up your own mind, ask if it’s REALLY describing what it is… or if it’s “negative”. You see a glass that’s half-empty. It’s still not a negative that you see it is as “half-empty”. …… just like it’s not a positive to see it “half full”. Negative is seeing it the way a feminist would: “The glass is being raped. That’s sexist”.

 

THIS…is why I come here. THIS is why I keep coming back. This place was Founded and is Grounded in logic.

Funny, isn't it? How women thrive on a mans time, attention and resources, while simultaneously telling him he isn't enough...

[cardinal2007Participant 8]

RoyDal wrote:

Welcome! Lurk or contribute all you want, just go your own way.

cardinal2007 wrote:

… I don’t think all women just want some guy that would pay for everything and take care of them, but anecdotal evidence doesn’t seem to pan out that way.

I have seen blogs where women brag about milking men for dinners, drinks, shows, and expensive presents. I’d say your anecdotal evidence is substantiated by the perpetrators’ admissions. And, why shouldn’t they take our money, if we’re so willing to shower them with it for merely spending a few hours with them?

Certainly a good reason to make it clear that I won’t tolerate that from the get go. Unfortunately it seems that rubs the vast majority of women I meet, at least the ones I meet online the wrong way, and I don’t get more than a first date.

StandUpGuy wrote:

It is really a grieving process for many. This forum is the time and the place for it.

I moved to San Jose 12 years ago from the east cost and the women out there are slim pickings. That is many highly paid men and few women; not a good thing for dating.

My thinking is that you should spend more time here and see if you really want to swallow the red pill.

Welcome and Cheers!

Yeah, especially now with the current boom it seems like a lot of guys are moving here for work, many with crazy offers from Google or Apple, I don’t think that should mean I should have to settle for someone looking for me to be a provider or breadwinner, maybe if I had kids that would make sense (Though if I ever have a family I think I would prefer equal duties rather than working all the time), but clearly just from dating it sounds ridiculous.

Sorry if that sounds kind of ranty.

[Terminus EstParticipant 145]

cardinal2007 wrote:

About a few years ago I got tired of just paying for everything, and started thinking that it is setting a tone for the relationship that I really don’t want to carry forward.

First of all welcome! I’m completely new here too but I’d like you to consider from your above statement that while you as a man are expected to play any number of male gender roles – like being a walking ATM for women-, you are still expected to expect nothing in the form of “typical” women’s roles.

The mere thought of it is heresy.

You have already recognized the inherent lack of gender equality in this and so maybe you did come to the right place after all.

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