Introducing AgitoM

[AgitoMParticipant 99]

Hi All,

This is my little introduction. Am calling myself AgitoM. Am originally from a Western country, but have been working in Asia for many years. My decision to take up a job in Asia is mostly based on the fact I wanted to experience more of the world and life and not sit in an office with my countrymen until my retirement. Despite the high workload, and having to work and fight harder for everything (due to being a foreigner), I generally enjoy being in this part of the world.

Came across MGTOW mostly by coincidence. It was mentioned in replies to a news article about a guy who ended up drugging his girlfriend just to get her to shut up and let him play computer games in peace. Though is disapprove of the drugging, I do can imagine the irritation of a nagging girlfriend while trying to game.

Every since being made aware of the term MGTOW, I’ve been reading a lot of articles and watching even more videos on the topic. It helped me a lot in recognizing female behavior in my family and relationships.

To me MGTOW means “Going my own way” or simpler put “Doing what I feel like doing and improve myself in the process”. I know there are levels or MGTOW, and a certain attitude towards matters. I don’t particularly subscribe to that, and mostly ask myself the question “What does MGTOW mean to me?”. I feel it’s nice that within MGTOW there is space for individuals to decide what it their own way.

Am currently in a relationship with a Asian lady, who sort of forcibly moved in with me. Sadly, things went downhill from there, with her becoming more controlling, demanding, overly dependent on me in many ways and being generally less pleasant company. This despite her having a better job then me. Sadly this is the exact behavior all my exes started showing over time.

So far MGTOW has helped in drawing lines in my relationship. Not putting up with tantrums and making clear what I want. But it’s a tiring fight. So right now I am in the process of deciding whether or not to stay in the relationship, and ensuring I call the shots, or point her the door. One thing for sure, if I point her the door, I will never engage in relationships again, and break this cycle of women turning worse over time. Instead I will focus on doing more professionally, for better or worse.

On a side note, spoke recently with colleagues about relationships. One of my colleagues mentioned he just lets his newly married wife make most decision, saying its to tiring to think of everything only having to fight with his wife over his decision. (Given his workload is similar to mine, I can understand where he is coming from). My other colleague simply mentioned that “He is letting his wife train him”. In other words, she decides everything he does and how he does it. Just mentioning this to illustrate that in many developed Asian countries, women start showing the same behavior.

Anyway, looking forward to engaging in discussion here, which is the reason I decided to get an account. Noticed that discussion here are honest and direct, though respectful. Just the kind of thing I like to see.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

AgitoM wrote:

. I feel it’s nice that within MGTOW there is space for individuals to decide what is their own way.

There’s more than just a space or that. You can clear the whole area and write every single policy. It’s the very definition of it.

AgitoM wrote:

So far MGTOW has helped in drawing lines in my relationship. Not putting up with tantrums and making clear what I want. But it’s a tiring fight.

Like Shakespeare’s taming of the Shrew.
Or My Fair Lady. Same story centuries apart.
And yours is identical.

AgitoM wrote:

He is letting his wife train him”

Girlfriends and wives will even let him THINK he’s in a “50/50” relationship, but that’s just woman speak for she decides everything.

“Do you want to do ____x____ or _____y_____ tonight?”

She’s letting him think it’s his decision, and if he picks one, he will think he’s in a “50/50 relationship”. But all he did was pick from one of her controlled choices. Oldest trick in the book.

But if he said “I want to _____z_____”, watch her flip right out – because she didn’t pick it.

Welcome to MGTOW and the Forums. Join in anytime.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AgitoMParticipant 99]

Keymaster wrote:

Like Shakespeare’s taming of the Shrew.
Or My Fair Lady. Same story centuries apart.
And yours is identical.

Loving the Shakespeare Quote. And it’s so right.

Keymaster wrote:

Girlfriends and wives will even let him THINK he’s in a “50/50” relationship, but that’s just woman speak for she decides everything.

“Do you want to do ____x____ or _____y_____ tonight?”

She’s letting him think it’s his decision, and if he picks one, he will think he’s in a “50/50 relationship”. But all he did was pick from one of her controlled choices. Oldest trick in the book.

But if he said “I want to _____z_____”, watch her flip right out – because she didn’t pick it.

Also realized that my colleagues are effectively not in charge of their relationships anymore.
As for the “I want Z”. Been doing this myself, and yes, it p~~~es most women off.

[AgitoMParticipant 99]

Welcome brother. Good luck with your situation, I hope if you show her the door she dosnt make it to hard on you.

Fortunately, cohabitation does not “exist” in the country I live in. As a matter a fact a person is deemed “single” as long as he or she is not married. Having a boyfriend or girlfriend is a unofficial thing the state doesn’t bother with as long as no laws are broken. Moreover, foreigners generally have little laws protecting them, can claim virtually no rights, so if I point her the door, she is gone.

The only disadvantage really is that with the both of us being foreigners, we have a very limited support group to help when thing go bad. (society here is rather self centered, friendships are hard to maintain due to everyone’s high workload).

[HitmanParticipant]

Welcome!
Good intro.
Keep us updated on what you decide.

[CaliParticipant 753]

AgitoM wrote:

Moreover, foreigners generally have little laws protecting them, can claim virtually no rights, so if I point her the door, she is gone.

Just make sure you don’t end up with any false accusations. If you have money, I would recommend investing in some sort of recording device, just to be safe. All Women Are Like That, to some degree or another, and you can never be certain that she won’t try to ruin your life if you dump her.

I’m no expert, but I would highly recommend taking any necessary precautions against anything she can throw at you.

Just a misogynist virgin hiding away in his mother's basement. Nothing to see here...

[experiencedParticipant]

Cali wrote:

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I’m no expert, but I would highly recommend taking any necessary precautions against anything she can throw at you.

Yes, like flying saucers, cups, knives, and the like.

Welcome to MGTOW

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Greetings AgitoM,

I was astonished that the Asian women I had “relations~~~s” with ended up being Narcissists too. Their demure and submissive act fooled me. They eventually revealed their ravenous and grasping natures. AWALT.

Seems like you’re learning the hard lesson that “it is never good for a man to let a woman get a foothold in his home or a handle on his emotions.”

Your relations~~~ may seem manageable because your married friends are in far worse situations and they probably tell you how lucky you are.

But, you are really in trouble and I hope that you keep planning your exit strategy.

Nevertheless, this is a good opportunity for you to observe and study “Women’s Nature” first hand. I find it interesting that a women identifies a man’s kindness as weakness and she secretly has contempt for any man who “Pleases” her.

You will have plenty of opportunities to more fully understand how you are being manipulated.

Here is example of what to expect.
Most of the words were just written by Keymaster in another post which I have modified to describe a woman’s narcissism:

Women tell themselves “I want ……” And they truly don’t give a s~~~ what man helps them get it. That’s one of the most off-putting realities for most men to comprehend at any time.

The words and emotions coming from women too often convince men that they are in the presence of a genuine “Unicorn” and NAWALT.

Most Men are stubborn and will adhere to the illusion of finding the “One” that they can deal with even when their “Unicorn” is saying and doing the following:

I really wanna get married
I really want …
My wedding will be like….
ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME….

For a women, their “man” is really a non-consideration.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[David199Participant 47]

Welcome, thank you for the introduction.

I’m sure as you traverse the forums you will come across a lot of pertinent knowledge, logic and wisdom that will hopefully arm you with enough information to make an educated and rational decision regarding you’re situation.

But until then sit back have a beer (or whatever you’re poison is) and enjoy the company of some of the most down to Earth guys you’ll meet.

Kind Regards

[Anonymous 42]

Welcome AgitoM to the MGTOW forest of “real men”. Your introduction was honest, open, and respectable.
The only advice or encouragement I can give you is to maintain vigilance! You apparently had enough of the corralling, manipulation, and an endless string of attempts to take control. Restrict her to an ultimatum, ABSOLUTE OBEDIENCE TO YOUR EVERY WORD!
If she wants to be Captain Clitoris on your one and only life’s vessel, steering you into the rocks on clitoris reef, tell her to find another man to be her second mate, and order him around the rocks of Clitoris Reef. MGTOW is like the open ocean, there are no rocks or reefs! Only smooth sailing as you maintain your position, allow no mutiny, and be the one and only Captain of your one and only life, don’t become shipwrecked on the shoals of Clitoris Reef!

[Anonymous 0]

Welcome home, AgitoM
I look forward to your posts.

[AgitoMParticipant 99]

Thank you for the replies. Very much enjoyed reading them.
Don’t have time to reply to every post individually, therefore I reply to most other via this one post:

@Pvt. MGTOW
Thanks for the advice. Will do my best to take precautions against false accusations.
Mostly will ensure that if I point her the door, it will be quick and not messy.
One minor advantage that as foreigners, any kind of legal trouble will see both our visa’s revoked. Creating trouble will therefore result in “Mutual Assured Destruction”.
Nonetheless, precautions don’t hurt, and will certainly think about it.

@The Manipulated Man
Increase in wealth and development in Asia, combined with (maybe) western influence has resulted in a attitude shift in Asian women as well.During my time and travels in Asia, I have encountered some groups of Asian women that still very much have traditional roles and power purely lies with their men.(Will open a topic on that soon)
Aside from that, in a place like Asia, where resources were limited, specially in the past, women have always looked for a good provider.
They nurture the man, in return he provides. Not much of a problem.
The only reason it going wrong now, is because women don’t have to fully rely on a man anymore to survive. They can leave, take his money, or provide for themselves to some extend. (or hook up with a better deal, without community shame). Thus the nurturing qualities have reduced and the visible narcissist behavior has increased.

As for the “ME ME ME”. You can’t be more spot on about that.
Often indeed get the impression that to most women what the guys wants really doesn’t matter.

@david199
Having a beer and having a good talk and a interesting share of ideas and viewpoints is indeed what it feels like over here!

@MG-ɹǝʍo┴
Not to sure if absolute obedience is a situation I want.
I’m not too proud to admit that if I am about to make a mistake I would like a person next to me (male or female) to point this out to me with a good argument.
Problem is indeed that with a lot of things, women push for what they want, regardless on whether or not its a good idea.
Personally, I would be happy already if I am in a position in which I can do what I want in terms of my life and carreer, and I have the support in that of my partner.
This also means that my decisions and actions are respected, and if deemed unwise only challenged with a good argument.
(And yes, might be wishful thinking)

I totally love your metaphor of the being a Captain on my own ship and sailing the sea. Not ending up on clitoris reef.
Wouldn’t call the MGTOW sea calm though. Doing your own thing, and improving as a person and professional can be quite stormy.
Then again, when I see storm clouds approach, my attitude tends to become a bit like Beowulf in this short video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b234Y5LvcM

Lastly, like to end with a quote that I once said to a group of male youngsters I was working with:
The situation we are in is quite bad, plenty of problems to go around. What else is new? Let’s get going.

[Anonymous 42]

AgitoM wrote:

Not to sure if absolute obedience is a situation I want.

AgitoM, it’s not give and take with women, it’s give and get taken.

I know what you’re saying, I’m talking about absolute respect. Not having her feel she has the right to bring others into her mutiny against something of profound importance to your will. Having a conference with her girlfriends on how to manipulate you, her pitting people you know against you.
A million tricks up her sleeve!

Perhaps you’re not dealing with a westernized woman, if you were, you’d know what I mean!

The western feminist woman will throw you overboard during a storm in the arctic sea…

The laws in my country and in the West, heavily favor women at the cost of destroying men.

A good metaphor; I have been the Captain of my my vessel for nearly 20 years, out here in MGTOW ocean I see the wreckage of men, families, and children, nearly every day. For almost 20 years this wreckage in the waves of feminism has taught me to stay away from any and all reefs…

[OracleSummonParticipant 179]

Welcome to the forums, AigtoM. I hope you find this place as a home and that any questions or advice you’re looking for is resolved and found.

May good fortune and blessings fallow you throughout the rest of your days.

[VerityPhantomSpectator 263]

I feel your pain, I have lived with females my entire life, and this isn’t even including family ones. I have had the misfortune of cohabitation with 4 females (girlfriends, and one I was engaged to.) Honestly, my friend. I think you should cut it off and just go your own way, this already seems like an uphill struggle.

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