Intro by FORWARNED

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

I’ll try to condense 73 years down to a brief an introduction as is possible.

I have been reading the entries on MGTOW for several months and decided to become a member because I am impressed with the maturity and proper response that it advocates. You cannot reason with an irrational or infantile adults, so the proper response is to walk away or stay away from them.

I found MGTOW because a friend of mine, who is in his early 60s and never married, asked me if he could retire on X amount of dollars a month. He never married because a large conservative religious hospital terrified him decades ago incorrectly telling him he tested positive for AIDS. Back then there was no treatment for AIDS and it was like telling someone they have a death sentence.

I told him not only could he retire on that amount of money, but also I was doing so and saving money and investing it besides. Later he hits me with the idea he now wants to marry a Thai woman. I gave him excerpts from Vilar’s book to warn him what he was getting into, but did not tell him he would need three or four times the monthly amount he mentioned if he was going to marry, especially with the cost of a bringing over a foreign woman. For over a decade he was an assistant coach on a local women’s basketball team, so he was totally against marrying an immature American woman of any age. Perhaps some of you who married or got involved with foreign woman can explain if that is a plausible option. From what my research indicated, the only ones that appear to be potential marriage partners are the well-educated Chinese women. I have not seen him again, so I don’t know what he did.

As for my situation, my parents were divorced when I was about four or five years old. That was back in mid to late 1940s, and in that case it was more my father’s immaturity, alcoholism, and violence that finally forced my mother to divorce him. Several of my brothers and I were eventually placed in different rural foster homes. In my case it was to be exploited for heavy farm labor. My foster parents were unimaginative losers, something I had figured out by age six. I once wrote 32 pages about that situation and erased it because people might have thought I was making it up or I was bitter or vindictive. Just to give you an idea of that situation, by the 1950s, just about every farmer had electric starters on their tractor. Every tractor I had to start was with a crank, just like the old Model T Fords. It was no better for anything else in that place.

One day when I was in my mid-teens I was at the local feed mill and the owner and I were the only ones in the place. He warned me that marriage was not was I imagined it to be. He was in his 30s and I listened carefully to him explaining that marriage was a trap for men and was not worth it. He apparently trusted that I would not rat on him and I didn’t. His advice surprised me at the time, but as I grew older and more experienced, I realized that he was right, and he apparently thought enough of me to warn me.

When I finally reached a few months short of age 18, I was able to escape that wretched foster home by joining the Army for three years. That heavy manual labor cured me of ever wanting to spend the rest of my life doing it, so when I got out of the Army, my second oldest brother and his wife helped me finish two years of study at a major university. It took me another four years of work and study to finish an undergrad degree in Psychology. Years later I completed a Master’s degree in Librarianship and worked for 18 years as a Medical Librarian.

So, for those early nine years I was poor, and as all of you well know, a poor young man has a lower SMV that even an ugly young woman. It took another two years to pay off my brother and wife for their help. By then I was in my early 30s. By that time, the guys who I knew who earlier had found “the love of their life” were being divorced by those “loves of their life.” That made me very wary about marriage and I sensed after observing other married men that it was a trap – especially a debt trap just as the feed mill owner had explained.

Because of my constant lack of money in those early years, I was a frequent visitor to the public and academic libraries and used and new book stores. It was at that time I discovered a copy of Esther Vilar’s book which explained a lot about why I was not very successful before then at dating. In addition, I happened to find Willard and Marguerite Beecher’s book Beyond Success and Failure: Ways to Self-Reliance and Maturity and Wendell Johnson’s People in Quandaries. I have read and reread those three books for decades, and they have saved me from many a disaster. I suggest that you read the reviews of those books on Amazon.com to see that they are highly regarded by those who found copies. Used copies of two other related Beecher books often are priced over a $100.

At one time during the last job I had I had a feminist supervisor. The other employees and I were able to protect ourselves because I had the insights from those books. She was absolutely the worst supervisor I ever had in my 45 years in the work force. No other supervisor was even a close second. She finally took another job after six or seven miserable years with her disruption and chaos. It took her that long to realize she could not manipulate any of us because both the men and women all stuck together against her.

At one point I had a relationship with a divorced woman who had three children but wisely removed myself from that potential disaster. The two oldest children were pre-teen females, and they were very rude and disrespectful, which will not surprise most of you who have dealt with children.

I don’t have any hairy tales of divorce to relate, but I certainly sympathize with those of you who do. The Beecher book mentioned above corroborates the many observations by members that the immature and infantile behavior, especially by women is at the root of most relationship problems. I was forewarned, so I was lucky to escape that fate. The longer you escape, the more you realize that the price to pay for slavery is not worth it. I am debt free and have enough to live on comfortable from Social Security, a pension, and investments.

For the younger members in your 20s and 30s, listen carefully to and heed the advice of Keymaster and the older members of MGTOW. They are the wise and battle-tested voices of experience. They will tell you the truth about and reality of relationships and marriage just like that feed mill owner told me many years ago. A successful marriage is only possible with two psychologically mature adults and females in our society and culture have little incentive to try to attain that situation. They have learned that the odds in marriage in our society and culture favor them by engaging in immature and infantile behaviors. You are wasting your time, money, and effort if you marry a psychologically infantile or immature female and you think you can make her or help her to grow up. More likely she will persist in her behavior and she likely will succeed in dragging you down to her level or she will turn you into a miserable and unhappy slave.
Their goal is power, and if you wisely refuse to interact with them, they will have no power over you. Donald G. Smith in his book The Joy of Negative Thinking summed it up best: “Life is not about getting and acquiring, but rather about avoiding and

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Thank you for sharing your wisdom.

Welcome home brother!

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[CPT ObviousParticipant 2726]

Thank you for that well thought out introduction. And welcome to MGTOW! It’s great to have members with lots of life experiences commenting in the forums.

Badger wrote:

You are wasting your time, money, and effort if you marry a psychologically infantile or immature female and you think you can make her or help her to grow up. More likely she will persist in her behavior and she likely will succeed in dragging you down to her level or she will turn you into a miserable and unhappy slave.

You just described my second ex-wife.

"You don't know a woman till you have met her in divorce court."

[Truthseeker82Participant 6406]

Welcome and thank you for a very insightful intro. I hope all our younger brothers can benefit from your wisdom.

[KillmandrillParticipant 497]

Welcome Forewarned,
lots of respect for your long and free life. It´s nice to hear you made it that long without getting married. It´s a nice approval for myself as well that I can´t be wrong with how I live.

Ah, women. They make the highs higher and the lows more frequent. Friedrich Nietzsche

[Mr. SpockParticipant 10907]

Welcome Forewarned. I am happy that you avoided the pitfall of marriage. I could’ve used your advice years ago. Hopefully you will have helped others avoid the man-trap known as marriage.
Looking forward to reading about your experiences.

Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

Welcome, FOREWARNED! I’m looking forward to hearing more from you in future post.

[Mr. ManParticipant 2916]

Excellent introduction, Forewarned, and loaded with the kind of lifelong insights every man who comes to here needs to read.

I sure wish an older man had taken me aside when I was young and told me the truth about marriage. It would have saved me a whole lot of hassles.

Like the hassle of my last and final marriage to a public librarian. I do not recommend it, no matter how many sexy librarian video fantasies you’ve seen, I’m here to tell you, they’re just fantasies.

[Anonymous 24]

That is the best introduction I have read so far. Honored to have you here Forewarned.

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

I just noticed you used jiyuu, “freedom”, as your avatar. I like it. I was teaching myself Japanese for a while and might pick it back up in the future.

[brivvyParticipant 49]

Welcome brother!

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Thanks, guys for all the kind welcoming comments.

Right on, Hominid. Female librarians are AWALT. This confirmatory report is from front line experience. In my 45 years in the work force, I only had to work closely for a less than a year with one feminist coworker and for 6-7 years with one feminist supervisor. Both of them were the most despicable and selfish persons I had to deal with in all those years. No one was even a close second in either case for their being the worst people with which I had to interact. I won’t go into the details of their conduct, because MGTOW member‘s negative experiences in marriage and relationships are far more important. Far more damage is done to men in those situations.

Tiga K: Actually, I used the Chinese characters which are apparently the same as Japanese for the same meaning. In Chinese pronunciation it is dz yo—sharp down tone, then second, a rising tone. I did not take Japanese because after completing all but one 2 credit language and one 3 credit literature course for an undergrad degree in Chinese, the department Chairman of East Asian Languages and Literature, my advisor for years, finally told me I needed one year of Japanese. Like, why did you not tell me that years ago! It was not in the catalog or anywhere else. Then they would not give a scholarship for the summer to get the Japanese requirement. Being poor, I was not inclined or able to screw around for two semesters taking just that one course. I had taken enough credits in science to finish a degree in Psychology and ended it that way.

Though I never married, reading the forum entries has helped me to understand things that I did not realize before about my brother’s marriages and those of coworkers and friends. It is no wonder to me now that my three brothers never once encouraged or urged me to get married and never talked to me about their marriage problems.

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

Badger wrote:

Tiga K: Actually, I used the Chinese characters which are apparently the same as Japanese for the same meaning. In Chinese pronunciation it is dz yo—sharp down tone, then second, a rising tone. I did not take Japanese because after completing all but one 2 credit language and one 3 credit literature course for an undergrad degree in Chinese, the department Chairman of East Asian Languages and Literature, my advisor for years, finally told me I needed one year of Japanese. Like, why did you not tell me that years ago! It was not in the catalog or anywhere else. Then they would not give a scholarship for the summer to get the Japanese requirement. Being poor, I was not inclined or able to screw around for two semesters taking just that one course. I had taken enough credits in science to finish a degree in Psychology and ended it that way.

Interesting. Japanese inherits much of it’s characters from Chinese and calls them 漢字 (kanji), literally Chinese characters. They just pronounce them different since Japanese contains a relatively smaller number of sounds. Although Japanese uses less 漢字 than Chinese, they usually have at least two different ways to say them and each means a different thing. For example, there is 分. Sometimes it means “part of something” like 半分 (han bun) which translates to English as “half”. But there is also a verb form, 分かる (wakaru) which means “to understand”. When a character can be pronounced four or five different ways, it gets rather annoying to learn.

Whether it’s in Chinese or Japanese, 自由, is perfect for mgtow.com.

As for advisers, I can relate to your story. My adviser has given me a couple of surprises as well and that is part of the reason I have to return for another semester in the fall. My original plan was to graduate this semester, but oh well.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Thank you very much for your intro @Forewarned, and for your dedicated correspondences and reading materials. Pleasure to welcome to MGTOW an the Forums.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Thank you Keymaster.

I find your responses and comments to be very interesting and enlightening. I only shared the books because it seems that all the insights I learned from them are constantly repeated by you and the other experienced veterans here. You and they have diagnosed the female behavior perfectly and prescribed the perfect treatment according to those books.

It has also been a real education reading for me to read about the experiences of the members. I used to wonder if I should have tried harder to get married and MGTOW experiences have made me glad I did not. Even if I have not had the experiences of MGTOW members, I have lived long enough to have seen much of the behaviors and actions of women in the workplace and marriages of relatives and others. There is absolutely no doubt that marriage today is an extremely risky and bad contract for any man to enter.

Some of the terminology used here, like unicorn, refer to the rare psychologically mature female. If they are in a marriage they don’t act like the numerous other women that are documented here. So the few rare men who comment about those kinds of wives hit the big lottery. Those women act like mature adults. However, their numbers apparently are dwindling down to near zero.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Hello Forewarned,

Appreciate every word of your introduction and the following replies. Your book recommendations, wisdom, storytelling, and perspective are all wonderful. You recognized and acted on the voice of wisdom in your youth and have lived a full life as a natural born MGTOW. Bravo!

The thirty year friendships of a few natural born MGTOWS has enriched my life and I have been fortunate to enjoy the company of these National Treasures. I owe my current freedom to them. I am humbled how they put up with my blue pill foolishness all these years.

I was warned multiple times in my youth. But, my arrogance, stubbornness, and conditioning took me on the opposite path as yours. Now, I Have retired from doing dangerous work with mostly blue pill men, and have begun a life similar to the “Indiana Jones” films. Unlike those films, the academic environment is more treacherous than the “Field Work.”

So, kindly desist from that nonsense about holding back your stories of working with the feminists:

“I won’t go into the details of their conduct, because MGTOW member‘s negative experiences in marriage and relationships are far more important. Far more damage is done to men in those situations.”

Men in “those situations” are already getting plenty of attention here at MGTOW. Those of us who have survived these dreadful situations are damaged. Some are “retarded” and in darkness as a result, including myself. We need examples of how a free MGTOW lives and thinks. We need guidance to safe shores.

Forewarned, your life and stories are a beacon of light!

You have “INTEL” and the experience of a natural born MGTOW who has worked directly with the “Hive” for decades.

Your stories are particularly valuable!

Many of us are not yet in a position to go “Ghost” and we still have to work alongside c~~~s until we can improve our situation.

Since I want to continue to make history in the field of biology, I am forced into finding ways to deal with the feminists. And I am failing.

Your accounts of survival within the front lines of feminism are more relevant now than ever. Women have been elevated and undeservedly placed into positions of power in work place situations. It began with the relatively physically benign and more cerebral jobs. Now, these c~~~s are implanted in the jobs where men are building and defending our civilization which is creating ruinous results.

Many of us, especially me, desperately need to hear what you have to report.

Here are some tips for you which I learned a long time ago when I went from the feminist’s “Hive” to “Man’s Country:”

The conditioning learned within enemy territory and the subsequent sensibilities/ cautions are not applicable among free and freed men.

Your reasons for holding back which are coming from a compassionate, intelligent, and respectful place, are misplaced and are not helping your fellow MGTOWs.

You are NEVER dealing with any feminist types at MGTOW.

You don’t have to pull your punches with free men, we can take it. Honesty, rationality, and Truth only frightens our great enemy.

Also, using the word “c~~~” to describe our great enemy is quite liberating and very accurate. We were forbidden to use within the feminist Hive. Feel free to use it as much as you can here.

Here are my comments regarding your friend who is about to marry an Asian woman:

Western men are not prepared to deal with the type of “Narcissism” which is biologically set into every Asian woman. AWALT.

There are government sponsored classes in the Philippians which teach woman how to trap a Western man into marriage. Thai Woman receive similar training.

My last great “Unicorn” hunt and remnants of NAWALT ended with my “relations~~~s” with Asian women. Now I understand that “Unicorns,” like the source of the name, are a myth and never really existed. I was a fool for believing in them.

For too many Western men, Asian woman have some charming qualities which get us trapped into “Relations~~~s” with them. Their version of femininity does an excellent job of concealing their voracious appetites which destroys men.

The great intelligence and sense of humor of Asians are among the many good qualities which appeals to Western men. Quite often, naive Western men who are elderly are fooled into believing that they have found a companion who will help them when they get sick, like a “nurse with benefits.”
Asian woman do a great job of appearing cute, cuddly, nurturing, submissive, and compassionate. In reality, they are inexhaustible parasites. I was surprised how the female Buddhist had no real compassion for their men, in spite of their grand gestures. They are fabulous at pretending to be compassionate which definitely fooled me for some time. An Asian woman’s great intelligence makes a powerful weapon in support of the dreadful aspects of “Woman’s Nature.”

The following poster illustrates what I have come to believe about Asian Women:

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

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