Intersting description of MGTOW

[chirParticipant]

Found this as I was perusing the internet.  Guy has some spot on points.  Personally I think that unless women take the lead and slap down the feminist Nazi movement that more and more men will move on to MGTOW.  Men can’t address the issues because the feminists use the victim card too well.  Women caused the problem and they have to resolve it.  I don’t agree with the revenge theme at the end.  I have no need for revenge.  Most MGTOW are just simply so pummeled economically and emotionally from divorce and s~~~ games that we look at MGTOW as a a bunker to take shelter in as the divorce bombs are going off around us shredding the other men out in the trenches.  MGTOW offers some peace.

Quoted from “Observing Libertarian”:

The problem is five-fold.

1, Feminists incite bigotry in women toward men, which causes further problems as you will see.

2, Feminists have lobbied for changes to the law system in order to criminalize men. Made possible by the zeitgeist that men are evil.

3, Too many women are untrustworthy and perfectly willing to lie in order to punish you for anything—false accusations are commonplace. And rarely are they punished for this because man evil, woman good.

4, Even if not accused of wrongdoing by a woman, most women treat men like disposable trash, including being violent against their partners just because they’re angry—and they’re legally unaccountable for it. Kelly Brook struck two former boyfriends in the face (punched not slapped) and laughed about doing so on national TV. Man evil = he deserves to be punished.

5, The danger presented by the sheer volume of women who do scandalous things to get pregnant or married and put you on the hook for money makes it very dangerous to have close associations.

Look at this way, accurately stated: You’re in a room with 300 wicker baskets and five of them contain a precious gem. The relative value of that gem depends, but with it, you will be happy for a time. If you get the *right* gem, you can even be happy for the rest of your life.

In the rest of the 295 baskets, however, are venomous serpents, of various types and with varying degrees of toxicity. Some will cause pain, some will cause temporary paralysis, some will cause necrosis and wither the limb you stick in the basket. Others are fatal and a few kill quickly, while some kill slowly and with much pain and suffering.

So how exactly do you sort them out and decide which basket to stick your hand in? They all look the same … most of them don’t have audible hissing or rattling.

That’s why MGTOWs simply walk away. The ratio of good women worth our time versus all the toxic ones we have to stumble over isn’t worth the trouble or the risks. It only takes one bad choice to completely ruin or even end our lives. Sorting out which one is which is murder. Choose the wrong one and we could be battered, stabbed, mutilated, murdered, slandered, arrested on false charges, imprisoned on false allegations, coerced into marriage on false pretenses or forced to live in serfdom because through no fault of our own we’ve been shackled with child support payments.

Sorry, ladies, there’s a lot of good men who’d have been perfectly willing to treat you right, who have simply decided to walk away and not have anything to do with you. It’s not your fault, those of you deserving of a good man: it’s the fault of the hundreds of toxic women a guy could possibly stumble over instead of you. They’re dangerous, there are real-life potentially grievous consequences for a man who dates the wrong woman, or even speaks to the wrong woman: or even speaks NEAR the wrong woman.

We know “not all women” are like that, we do: the problem is that ssssooooooo many are. Good women are the exception to the rule. Someone who will treat her male partner with kindness, dignity, compassion, consideration: or hell, even just managing to treat him with basic common courtesy… That’s not the standard, that’s the exception.

There are too few of you too scattered and we have no way of picking you out of the crowd, so a man’s choice is to either play the game and keep sticking his hand in the basket looking for a gem—only to get bitten most of the time, and hope he survives long enough to find a gem—or walk away.

MGTOWs don’t see a point in playing the game: the possible rewards do not outweigh the risks of potential cost and harm. The game is literally so rigged against us that even the end game—success—is not a win of any kind. So we don’t play, and it’s you who misses out.

I’m sorry, ladies, but it’s only going to get worse unless YOU stand up and YOU fight for MEN. Legal extortion by just living together, predominate aggressor policy, criminalization of speaking to a woman no matter how politely, criminalization of even speaking near a woman. You cannot stand casually to the side and watch men being persecuted and say nothing but then turn around and complain when men give up on having relationships with women.

“Young men giving up on marriage: ‘Women aren’t women anymore” by Hilary White:

Pew recently found that the number of women 18-34 saying that having a successful marriage is one of the most important things rose from 28 percent to 37 percent since 1997. The number of young adult men saying the same thing dropped from 35 percent to 29 percent in the same time.

Pew’s findings have caught the attention of one US writer who maintains that feminism, deeply entrenched in every segment of the culture, has created an environment in which young men find it more beneficial to simply opt out of couple-dom entirely.

Also clearly stated in “The war on Men” by Suzanne Venker:

In a nutshell, women are angry. They’re also defensive, though often unknowingly. That’s because they’ve been raised to think of men as the enemy. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men off their pedestal (women had their own pedestal, but feminists convinced them otherwise) and climbed up to take what they were taught to believe was rightfully theirs.

Now the men have nowhere to go.

It is precisely this dynamic – women good/men bad – that has destroyed the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, men are still to blame when love goes awry. Heck, men have been to blame since feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s.

If you have pondered what MGTOW is, I say it simply and as truly as possible: it’s a revenge, and that revenge is a boycott. Men are genetically, biologically, and socially conditioned not to want to harm women, even when we are being harmed by them. MGTOW is a refuge, a safe haven within our own selves. It’s a protest saying that we will not be dehumanized, we will not be criminalized for being born, we will not be treated like second-class citizens.

Why do I call it a revenge? Simple. The most harmful thing we could do in reprisal to the treatment we have received is to not have anything to do with you. That is our revenge, to cast you off and leave you adrift on your own, alone. As the punishment we receive for being born different continues and becomes worse, you will see more and more of us.

More and more of you, ladies, will be alone. If you don’t stand up and fight for us, if you continue to casually watch while we are persecuted for simply existing, you will see MGTOW grow. This is our act of defiance: that we will not participate in the games centered around you. We will not pay you any attention, we will not court you, we will not date you, we will not sleep with you, we will not marry you.

More and more women will have fewer and fewer men available, more of you will not enjoy the warmth of companionship. You will not enjoy a warm smile in the morning. You will not experience the embrace of a hug and a soft kiss on the neck. No big wedding, no pitter-patter of little feet, no joys of parenthood. You will have no one to comfort you when you cry, alone, at night. More of you ladies will be alone: men are far more capable of dealing with solitude. We’re accustom to it.

MGTOW is a refuge from the danger women present to men in this society. It is also a revenge.

In 2006, lesbians feminist Norah Vincent was interviewed by 20/20 about her book Self-Made Man. She conducted a gender study in which she cross-dressed as a man for 18 months. Then she wrote about her experiences. It’s a fantastic book you can buy on Amazon for under a dollar, by the way: I really recommend it. There are sections in it which made me laugh so hard I was crying.

Near the end of the interview, Miss Vincent said, “Men are suffering, they have different problems than women have but they don’t have it better. They need our sympathy, they need our love and they need each other more than anything else. They need to be together.”

The interviewer then asked Miss Vincent: “Do you think women understand what it’s like to be a man?”

Miss Vincent responded assertively: “Not at all, no clue. No idea.”

So, ladies, MGTOW is exactly what Miss Vincent prescribed after she spent 18 months as a man. It’s a gathering of men, as protection from those who would abuse us, rape us, persecute us, and demonize us. MGTOW is an ideological shift away from doing whatever we can to serve women, and instead investing in our own lives. Our revenge is our protest: a boycott. It’s only going to gather more men until women stand up and fight on our side. Until you ladies start speaking out against us being dehumanized just for being born different, you can expect the number of men willing to marry to decline further and further.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[SMADParticipant 651]

Absolutely agree 100% with this.

Marriage?  No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.

[Loose NutsParticipant 37]

Perfectly stated. Great post.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

I think if women carry on ignoring this problem mgtow will not stay as it is. Yes we will still ‘not deal’ with women but I think mgtow will start to cluster groups of men who will then come up with new ideas …… a collective if you will … men working in groups to further better their lot. Helping themselves up on to the next step.

Who knows they may even start investing in mgtow houses, villages, towns. Hahaha could you imagine a road full of guy’s and not a woman in sight … haha nothing but Harleys & Mustangs in the drive ways.

Any takers?

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

MGTOWN 😆

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

I already got that mgtown thing started. Right now, I’m the only citizen of it but, but I’m the KING!

I got open bar, reserved parking for motorcycles, jet skis and 4wd trucks. There’s red meat on the menu anytime I want, and along with bar, the kitchen’s open 24 hours a day. Multiple wide screen tv’s show news and sports 24 hours a day, but no restriction for optional porn, westerns or car chase movies. Closet full of racks are reserved only for me, as are garage full of power tools, safe full of guns, and schedule full of hunting & fishing trips. The only jewelry in the house is a waterproof scuba diving watch, and the only bitch in the house is a Siberian Huskey sled dog. The only scent of tuna comes from the bait for the neighborhood cats in the backyard BB-gun shooting gallery… 😛

A jet leaves my city headed for ‘Vegas every Friday afternoon, and though it is not my personal jet, it may as well be as I can go get on it any Friday that I want, and be in ‘Vegas just after sundown. Since I only have to reserve one seat instead of two, and can pack for a weekend in about 12 minutes, it’s surprising that I don’t go more often than I do. But even on the weeks that I do not go, I’m very acutely aware that the reason I’m not in ‘Vegas is that I have something else that I CHOSE TO DO instead, not because someone told me “you can’t…”. Some weekends, I’m just tired and stay home doing laundry and dishes all weekend. But I still get that warm fuzzy feeling inside knowing that anytime I want to, I CAN…

Without the need to support someone else’s present and their retirement, I don’t have to work nearly so hard to support only my own. The time and energy that this frees up allows for all kinds of other things. As opposed to when I was married and had little time for few options available and only then at twice the price, today I sometimes have the problem of so many choices, and so much time that indecision about what I will CHOOSE to do becomes a challenge.

True enough, there will never be a queen. And while I will miss out on whatever benefits there might have been from the presence of one, I will also never be overthrown or de-throned by one. There’s always a little princess out there somewhere who wants a weekend audition for the title.

It’s good to be the king… 🙂

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

You bastard 😁

[RoyDalParticipant]

I’ve been toying with reading that Norah Vincent book for some time. Thanks to your tip chir, I’ll get off the fence and go find it.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[SymoParticipant 42]

with a 6.0 Ltr SS ute & a Harley (afforded by my “Arms length” philosophy relationships for 15 years) I’M IN!

BrainPolit is right on the money  – literally. With out having to support present & future liabilities, the world is you oyster – or steak more precisely.

Having gotten bitten at 29 – I’ve watched as my mates said “oh that wont happen to me, I’ve got a good one” – really? well atleast half of them have got taken for a ride and not that I would take any pleasure from their misfortune – I am the first one to say ” I told you so” BUT always backed up with  “so you’re not going to f~~~ing do it again though are you? – we’re really to old now to bounce back” but some did.

You can only help those who wish to be helped.

4 houses, Harley wide glide, new SS commodore, comfortable job (promotions are infinately easier when you don’t have to be home for dinner like a child, you can work weekends if need be with out being nagged or being made feel like s~~~ – even though they NEED that new SUV)

How? because of the ideals as discussed here in MGTOW.

Oh, and did I mention I am happy, very happy – just incase some bitch hijacks this message.

Symo.

PS so ladies – or “redundants” as I like to call you – please, eat a dick.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

Even if the baskets were split 50-50 between gemstones and snakes, opening one is not worth the risk.

However, the analogy is inapt since gemstones are assets, not liabilities.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

@ BP

There may be no queen in your castle but I’m sure there’s no shortage of wenches.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[MendokusaiParticipant 256]

Exactly,fat bank account,investments,ability to go anywhere in the world for a week once a month,different chick in each city I visit.

Now try to convince me of this gov’t propaganda that married men are happier,healthier and live longer,HA!

[KingOfTheSeaParticipant 1270]

RoyDal wrote:

I’ve been toying with reading that Norah Vincent book for some time. Thanks to your tip chir, I’ll get off the fence and go find it.

I recommend it. It’s not so eye-opening to men, but it is nice to finally see the shoe be put on the other foot. I’d recommend it to women but, well, you know how they feel about anything that says they’re in the position of privilege.

 

I was actually thinking the other day about this: What if a group of men banded together and bought their own country and invited all men there to go their own way?

[MadScientistParticipant 131]

My outlook is bleaker. I don’t think anything will change as our numbers grow. Our funds will be taken by force if we don’t give them freely. Society will become totalitarian and single men will be the official slave class. And if we resist, or become destitute, we will be shipped off to fema camps.

Except most of the enforcers are men, and they may not all be cool with this, considering they will also be on the hook.

I don’t think it will become totalitarian the way you suggest, but what might happen is additional taxes on men over a certain age for not being married, or for not having children they are supporting. It might be justified as ‘In the best interests of society’. This, I think, is a slight possibility, but more likely that would be recognized as unconstitutional, and it will be the deterioration such as Japan is facing, which really has no lasting solution, except balancing the rules so men are no longer taken for granted and treated as meat sack automatons.

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