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Faust, did you even bother to read what I wrote?
Yes.
Obviously not.
You are either willfully ignorant or blind to President Trump’s actions. He has kept more campaign promises towards helping the American people than any president in living memory.
I call out your ad hominem attacks and you respond by saying that my calling out your ad hominem attacks is itself an ad hominem attack.
I called your ad hominem attacks “baseless”. Stick to the facts.
You must be on drugs.
Ah, another baseless ad hominem attack.
I don’t know what your beef with me,
Your willful ignorance towards the truth.
but I do know you have only to look in the mirror to figure out what it is. It’s not about me, that is clear enough.
Now you are just projecting your negative traits onto me.
No, it wasn’t. You obviously did not follow his campaign for more than a few days.
I watched most of his speeches from early 2016 all the way to now. I watched every speech he made during the last week of his campaign, all the way to Donald Trump’s last campaign rally on November 8th, 2016, 12:30 AM EST in Grand Rapids, Michigan. During this last rally he brought on Ted Nugent to speak and perform a song with a guitar. That was an awesome way to finish a campaign that saw Donald Trump give two or three rallies almost every day for three months. The last three days he gave five to seven campaign rallies a day.
repealing the North American Free Trade Agreement, punishing China for unfair trade practices, deporting illegals, and restoring Law and Order (none of which are even remotely underway).
It is clear these four points went over your head, because all these policies are intended to create jobs for Americans.
Donald Trump talked about jobs for the American people in his rallies and his speeches.
I have no idea what you were watching but it obviously wasn’t Trump.
I was watching Donald Trump give his speeches. As I have stated in the above examples. I sincerely am not sure who you were watching, but it wasn’t Donald Trump.
The very fact that you interpret my statement this way shows a deep lack of handling second order concepts, and that you also, Faust for Science, have absolutely no clue how basic economics even works.
Basic economics work on supply and demand. But, we do not have that in the U.S. What we have is a fascist system of corporate welfare. Where jobs are sent out of the country, the U.S. government prints money to keep corporations afloat, with the american people expected to pay the bills. In other words, socialize the losses and privatize the profits.
Government doesn’t (and can’t) create jobs.
That is where conservatives get this wrong due to oversimplification of the matter. Bureaucracy of any form cannot create jobs. But, infrastructure projects can create jobs. Not just jobs building, but jobs helping to maintain society and opportunities of businesses.
For example, the interstate system which was taxpayer funded and a government project has been a boom to commerce throughout the nation.
President Donald Trump wants to create similar infrastructure projects.
If, at this point, you are still holding out for Trump, then you are no different than the Obama folks with the Hope and Change.
President Trump’s actions speak louder than your words. And President Trump’s actions show a man whom wants to do right by the American people.
Those are the facts, sweetheart.
No. The facts went over your head.
You do have one thing, I do have a “deep disdain towards the American people” who are willfully allowing themselves to be blinded by “hope” rather than face the reality of their own permission to be invaded by both domestic and foreign infidels. I have an even deeper disdain for people like you (and others) who cannot “recognize your brother”, to quote John Lennon.
From your comments to me, which involve false accusations, lies, and questionable interpretation of words and phrases involving the betterment of the American people, I have wonder if you truly do have deep disdain towards the American people.
Anonymous1There is only so much time that can go by before all the comments sections have to stop making excuses for Trump and saying, just give him time… it’s coming, etc… Trump has simply refused to take control of this government and do the ugly job that needs to be done for these times. He wants to do everything “legally” and just. That’s not what government is. Government is a mafia, plain and simple. Always was, always will be.
You know, I just watched the Oliver Stone interviews with Putin. He asked Putin what was the differences in working with the various US Presidents. Putin replied, there is no difference at all. The presidents change, but the policies stay the same. It has been this way for a long time, but the president has very little power in actual practice. The bureaucracy has “inertia” the direction cannot be changed by one man. I think Trump is trying to change the situation, but he is finding out how little power he actually has.
We are ruled by a system of bureaucracies and overlapping government agencies in this country. The US has become the Soviet Union in that sense. The word “Soviet” means councils or bureaus. If Trump really does drain the swamp, he will get the JFK treatment. He will have to compromise to save his own life and the lives of his family. It was rather amusing seeing Putin comment on this situation. An outside perspective is sometimes more revealing.
If Trump really does drain the swamp, he will get the JFK treatment. He will have to compromise to save his own life and the lives of his family.
You forget his ego will not allow him to compromise.
Unlike JFK, whom was hated by everyone but the media. President Trump is loved by his supporters whom are the gun owners who are looking for an excuse for rebellion.
Faust, the way you write is weird. You take everything I say, agree with it, then turn around, draw an illogical conclusion, and say you disagree with me, and insult me for it. That is why I think you have done drugs. Have you?
You are either willfully ignorant or blind to President Trump’s actions.
Faust, you do not have understanding of what is going on, and you are obnoxious to boot. You can change, though.
Yes, I never look at an individual’s actions. I look only at the results they are achieving in their life to see who they are.
Heavicidal has spelled it out for you. The writing is on the wall. Trump cannot even defend his own supporters who get punched in the face. I cannot even, to this day, wear my MAGA hat outside, and he’s the damn president already.
President Trump’s actions speak louder than your words. And President Trump’s actions show a man whom wants to do right by the American people.
Faust, you are blinded by your emotions – that is the stuff girls are made of. Stop attacking and insulting your brothers and learn to judge people by the results they are achieving, not their intentions, or even their actions.
You don’t understand how organisms work, because you are very inexperienced. You have to cut the head off the chicken. Trump had a limited window of time to fire everybody, install his loyalists, arrest the Democrat Queen, and then arrest most, if not all, the legislative body. That’s why Trump was elected – because he talked the tough talk, and said she would be in jail if he were President. Trump was elected to be Ivan the Terrible, because that’s what he said he would do.
The Cultural Revolution in this country is underway, full speed ahead. I’ts happening NOW. Monuments are being destroyed, etc… Result will be the same as always.
This doesn’t mean I want it that way. You have clearly not studied history in any depth, or you do not understand it, or you have not lived it. You wear blinders that limit your vision. Faust, prepare yourself for the future ahead of us.
Faust, the way you write is weird. You take everything I say, agree with it, then turn around, draw an illogical conclusion, and say you disagree with me, and insult me for it. That is why I think you have done drugs. Have you?
Most baseless ad hominem attacks by you. If you cannot tell what is disagreement and what is not, you have problems.
Faust, you do not have understanding of what is going on, and you are obnoxious to boot. You can change, though.
I give examples. You give insults.
Yes, I never look at an individual’s actions. I look only at the results they are achieving in their life to see who they are.
The actions are the important part. Results can be caused by outside factors beyond the acting person’s contact.
Trump cannot even defend his own supporters who get punched in the face.
A few days ago, the actions of Antifa have been publicly declared “domestic terrorist attacks”.
It says a lot about you when you blame President Trump for his supporters being attacked. You do not blame the Antifa people doing the attack, the local police looking the other way, or the media blaming the victims for being attacked.
Faust, you are blinded by your emotions
No. I have given examples. It is you whom are projecting.
that is the stuff girls are made of.
Now you are just namecalling.
Stop attacking and insulting your brothers and learn to judge people by the results they are achieving, not their intentions, or even their actions.
You need to practice what you preach.
You don’t understand how organisms work, because you are very inexperienced.
I understand exactly what is happening. We are seeing a long game played out and you are to impatient to realize that.
The Cultural Revolution in this country is underway, full speed ahead. I’ts happening NOW. Monuments are being destroyed, etc… Result will be the same as always.
Antifa is not a “cultural revolution”. Antifa are funded by the globalists.
The real cultural revolution are the Trump supporters.
You have clearly not studied history in any depth, or you do not understand it, or you have not lived it.
More false accusations by you.
I have studied history.
Here is a lesson.
Historically, revolutionary movements started by those with a sense of an entitlement collapse.
One such example of are the Japanese communist student movement of the 1960’s to 1970’s. They wanted free college and the Japanese government refused. The students started a communist movement over this but the movement never gain support from the Japanese people because it was about entitlements and as such the movement collapsed.
While Antifa is funded by globalists, the mechanics of low level membership of the Antifa organization closely resembled the Japanese communist student movement. This is why I fully believe Antifa will collapse.
On the other hand, historically, revolutionary movements born from survival tend to either been successful, or nearly successful.
The body politic of the workers of the U.S. closely resembles France a decade before the French Revolution. The workers are being pushed to their limits. President Trump in this situation mostly resembles the role held by Jacques Necker, the fiance minster of France.
Jacques Necker was one of the few people in the French government at the time whom tried to help the French people. Jacques Necker’s policies help the French people and stalled the French Revolution for a number of years.
The final sparks that started the French Revolution were Jacques Necker being fired from his government post and the French Royals attempting to shut down the Estates General.
Now, stop with the insults. It is time to put up or shut up. You want to state facts. Then, state clear examples. Not generalized comments and insults.
Anonymous1You forget his ego will not allow him to compromise.
Unlike JFK, whom was hated by everyone but the media. President Trump is loved by his supporters whom are the gun owners who are looking for an excuse for rebellion.
As big as his ego is, he is in a very dangerous situation and I do no think he has fully comprehended the danger he is in. Remember that JFK footage, when the Secret Service man jumps off the bumper of the Car and allows JFK to get shot. That is what I mean when I say he might get the JFK treatment. Think about how frightening that would be if one of your own body guards was secretly working for your own demise. They are around your family 24/7. That is the kind of threats that make any man cave in regardless of ego.
I hope you are right, but I’ve been having an uneasy feeling about this. I’m not so confident that Trump supporters will win, when push comes to shove. I remember reading the “Gulag Archipelago” when the Red Army went door to door and killed off small farmers, who had guns. These were self-sufficient, gun owners, who wanted to keep their farms from being collectivized by the free loading Communists.
After they find a way to get rid of Trump and install the Leftist Dictatorship. What happens when the Purple haired Antifa come to my farm, backed up by Police and Main Stream Media support and squash the big bad misogynist, racist, Red Neck, and everyone will applaud on TV. We all go down one by one, just like the farmers in Russia did. That is my worst case scenario and it seems to be unfolding as the jeering Purple haired freaks tear down America to the tune of thunderous applause!!!
s big as his ego is, he is in a very dangerous situation and I do no think he has fully comprehended the danger he is in.
I believe he comprehends the danger. Think about who he is giving support and respect towards. The military. The police. And the private gun owners. He is practically daring his political enemies to try something.
Anonymous1I believe he comprehends the danger. Think about who he is giving support and respect towards. The military. The police. And the private gun owners. He is practically daring his political enemies to try something.
I hope so…
Well Faust, you have won the argument. You are clearly more level headed, experienced, knowledgeable, and admirable than me. You know more about the complexities of history then me, have been to and worked in more countries than me, are far more educated, both in degrees and street smarts, and you have more business and political experience than me.
You are right, Faust. Trump is in complete control. The Cultural Revolution is contained and will soon be vanquished. Trump is not in any danger. The cops and military, and Trump’s generals, are all on his side. To them, he is Numero uno. The relief we all seek is just around the corner.
Thank you Faust, for setting me straight. Glad I was able to have you work out each bullet point for me, step by step. I was clearly a globalist with disdain for my oh-so-intelligent and freedom-loving American citizenry. Sandals has been 100% wrong about every prediction he has made here.
… err, was that 100% right? I can’t remember. Jeez.
Using sarcasm to mask a lack of substance does not help you.
Faust, I am not your mother. You don’t listen, and so right now you are a very sick individual – young and arrogant. You have not even admitted that the factories set up here will in fact be staffed with foreign labor or robotics, which you know to be true, but are defending your original incorrect position so you can continue to convince yourself you are right.
You are still a Freshman in the School of Hard Knocks, puffing yourself up in front of the professor. I did that when I was your tender age. Boy what a jack-ass I was. Come see me in ten years and you will buy me a beer and apologize 😉
Good luck out there.
Anonymous1While Antifa is funded by globalists, the mechanics of low level membership of the Antifa organization closely resembled the Japanese communist student movement. This is why I fully believe Antifa will collapse.
I agree, Antifa should have collapsed by now, but never underestimate the Globalists. Color Revolutions are their specialty. George Soros pulled off that Revolution in Ukraine just a few years ago. A small minority of well paid protestors with the support of some Intelligence Professionals can do a lot of damage. The fact that Antifa has Main Stream Media support is very alarming. I do not think we can just shrug this off as some Student Movement. This has the potential to get much worse. You said yourself Charlottesville was a false flag, there may be more forthcoming and of a larger scale. My comparison to the Bolsheviks and Communist Party under Mao is not much of an exaggeration. There is big money behind this. I may be fear mongering and I hope Antifa dissipates into nothing more than a Student Bitchfest, but the Globalists are not to be taken lightly.
You don’t listen, and so right now you are a very sick individual
You are the one who is make attacks.
young and arrogant.
I was tempted call you this. But, I did not want to do personal attacks.
You are blind. You believe Antifa is a “Cultural Revolution”. Yet you are upset when I point out how Antifa are an artificial movement funded by globalists.
You have not even admitted that the factories set up here will in fact be staffed with foreign labor or robotics,
NAFTA negotiations are falling apart. Right now Canada negotiators are beginning to realize that Canada is also getting a raw deal from NAFTA.
If NAFTA goes, much of the foreign labor will likely go with it.
Given the history of robots, the hopes of fully automated factories is a money pit. One is replacing health and safety issues with another supply issue of circuits, parts, and software. Due to how technology is constantly changing. The parts and software used for robotics in factories today will be replaced within a few years. When these parts and software start to have problems, replacement parts and software repair will become and issue.
It is interesting how are you work to argue against the American working class.
which you know to be true, but are defending your original incorrect position so you can continue to convince yourself you are right.
You are the one that ignores and insults the large part of the U.S. whom keep the U.S. going but are abused by all other sides. These people support President Trump, and for daring to want a future, the intellectuals, the bureaucracy, the corporations and the foreigners all seek to destroy them.
The globalists controlled media verbally attacks the working class at every turn.
The globalists funded Antifa physically attacks in pro-worker rallies.
That is a recipe for a revolution.
You are still a Freshman in the School of Hard Knocks,
You do not know anything about me. My entire life has been one long s~~~show caused by c~~~s and manginas.
puffing yourself up in front of the professor.
No. I prefer to debate to keep my cognitive skills sharp.
Boy what a jack-ass I was.
You clearly have not much changed since then.
Come see me in ten years and you will buy me a beer and apologize
If I am alive in ten years. A big if. I will expect the beer and apology from you, after you see I am correct about what I have stated.
I agree, Antifa should have collapsed by now, but never underestimate the Globalists. Color Revolutions are their specialty. George Soros pulled off that Revolution in Ukraine just a few years ago. A small minority of well paid protestors with the support of some Intelligence Professionals can do a lot of damage. The fact that Antifa has Main Stream Media support is very alarming. I do not think we can just shrug this off as some Student Movement. This has the potential to get much worse. You said yourself Charlottesville was a false flag, there may be more forthcoming and of a larger scale. My comparison to the Bolsheviks and Communist Party under Mao is not much of an exaggeration. There is big money behind this. I may be fear mongering and I hope Antifa dissipates into nothing more than a Student Bitchfest, but the Globalists are not to be taken lightly.
I fully agree. Nothing should be taken lightly on this matter. The issue is how many different ways they can collapse the U.S.
The catch is they have put so many eggs into the U.S. dollar global homogony, the question are they willing to take the massive financial hit from collapsing the U.S.
And time is not on their side. China is starting to float having a Yuan currency backed by gold to fund oil purchases. This will pull the run from their operation.
Where, oh where to begin? You are a masochist who continues to come back for pain. You must like it.
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Nobody supported Trump more than me. But at this point, this is not a President who has control of his country, or even his administration.
You are the one who is make attacks.
You said I outed myself as a globalist. You started it with a direct attack on a public forum. I am a very nice guy, but damn straight – if someone directly attacks me personally, rather than debates substance, I will call you out and go for the jugular, and I will not relent. No mercy from me from those who directly and personally insult me. There is no need for it. You threw the first jab.
You are blind. You believe Antifa is a “Cultural Revolution”. Yet you are upset when I point out how Antifa are an artificial movement funded by globalists.
I am blind?
Given the history of robots, the hopes of fully automated factories is a money pit.
Do you know what a karnaugh map is? Tell me again why “Science” is in your name?
You are the one that ignores and insults the large part of the U.S. whom keep the U.S. going but are abused by all other sides
I am a business man. I keep the US going. Have you ever held even a supervisor job? it doesn’t seem so.
The globalists controlled media verbally attacks the working class at every turn.
The globalists funded Antifa physically attacks in pro-worker rallies.
Only communists use the term “working class”. Are you red? Who among us does not work?
You do not know anything about me. My entire life has been one long s~~~show caused by c~~~s and manginas.
I know you are being arrogant toward me and don’t listen. And that is enough to recognize a pattern of what your life is most probably like. You also enjoy getting a daily beatdown from me, so I only assume you engage that behavior elsewhere. If you stop, your life will begin to change immediately – but it does require humility. Change what’s inside, and you will change what’s outside. There is much good advice to be had, if you would listen.
And yes, people who refuse to listen do have lives that are a s~~~ show. We have all probably been there. Most of the men on this forum have probably graduated from the school of hard knocks, just like me. While we cannot necessarily change what happens out there, we can control how we react to it, and how we learn and grow from it. You can begin by apologizing to me, whether you think you should or not.
If I am alive in ten years. A big if. I will expect the beer and apology from you, after you see I am correct about what I have stated.
Since I think you are young, then either you are saying you have a life-threatening disease, or are suicidal.
If you are suicidal, don’t harm yourself. Believe it or not, your life is precious, and I am sure you are a good person at heart. Life is tough, and whatever you are going through now – this too will pass. Don’t take me so personally. I’m just a guy on a board, frustrated like you by Trump’s inability to enact his agenda. There are more similarities between us then you may realize. I am on your side bro. And if I didn’t care about you, I wouldn’t take the time to respond to you. Like I said, I was once an arrogant asshole, and I regret it. But today is the day anyone can change. I am on your side, bro. Don’t take me so seriously.
If you have a life-threatening disease, my advice is to keep a healthy mind, eat a nutritious diet, and focus on the things you love. Miracles can happen, but they have to happen in the mind before they happen in the body. I am not a doctor, but I personally believe the body is a manifestation of the mind. This is just my personal belief. Illness in the body is held on by the mind. There is a very old book called Toximea, which explains that the body is in a constant process of expelling toxins. We keep putting toxins into our body (and toxic thoughts into our mind) faster than the body (or mind) can expel them. Allow the body to do it’s work and expel the toxins.
Also, if you really are on drugs – find a way to stop. You don’t have to put that stuff in your body – it destroys your brain and body. I know it’s difficult to stop because drugs are addictive, and life is tough and we want an escape. But really, the men on this board care about you, including me, if you can believe it.
If you are correct about what you have stated, and I hope you are (even though I know you are not), I will buy the beer.
Nobody supported Trump more than me. But at this point, this is not a President who has control of his country, or even his administration.
Obama filling the rank and file with his personal operatives. The Senate slow walks his appointments. And the House of Congress members attempt to impeach him every other week.
If he fired all those below him, which he has the power to do, he would likely be impeached by the end of the week on false charges he is trying to hinder the process of government.
Blaming President Trump on this matter is like blaming someone put in charge of failing business on their first day at work.
You said I outed myself as a globalist. You started it with a direct attack on a public forum.
It is not an attack if it is true.
You are the one that insults the idea of giving jobs to the American people.
I am blind?
Do you know what a karnaugh map is?
Anyone can learn what a karnaugh map is by looking it up on the web. This is not thirty years ago, when the intellectuals could hide knowledge and hold this over the people.
Though, someone who wants to bring up math. Here is a math question. How is this nation going to continue to be funded if the Americans are all denied jobs? The corporations and foreigners are paying little or not taxes.
Besides, such questions are not important when discussing history and politics.
Tell me again why “Science” is in your name?
Now you attack my handle. More like political science. But, from your tone, you sound like you believe only the intellectuals are worthy of learning.
I am a business man. I keep the US going
With this statement you have outed yourself as a globalists. No wonder you are against the American people from having jobs. You are likely getting rich off of the difference of having only to fund cheap wages to foreigners.
Only communists use the term “working class”.
The “middle class” is all but destroyed. But, there is still a working class of America.
Are you red? Who among us does not work?
I am willing to realize that the nationalist workers movement that put President Trump in office has all the makings of a workers revolution as defined by Karl Marx.
The intellectuals have wrongly convinced themselves they are the communists. They are not. They are the rich elitist classes that Karl Marx was against.
Though, this intellectuals believing they are communists are due to Lenin and later Stalin creating their own version of “communism” where the intellectuals ruled over the common people in a technocracy. This is “Intellectual Stalinism”.
I know you are being arrogant toward me and don’t listen.
I give historical example of what I state. You have just given attacks.
Since I think you are young, then either you are saying you have a life-threatening disease, or are suicidal.
My personal health is none of your damn business.
If you are correct about what you have stated, and I hope you are (even though I know you are not), I will buy the beer.
Considering I prefer to be a civil man, I am not going to hold you to that. But, I will expect the apology.
You brought up your personal health. How could I have even alluded to it if you hadn’t brought it up in the first place?
Faust, I think you are a very confused individual. Your responses sound as though you know just enough to be dangerous, but lack the experience (or the desire) to truly understand the complexities of the world.
The utopia you seek is not going to happen. And here’s the ringer in this conversation: it’s not my fault.
I truly hope you’ll lay off the drugs. Not because I am being an asshole, but because I really do care.
You brought up your personal health.
No. I said that it was a “big if” for me being alive in ten years. That could mean anything.
You have noticed that the U.S. is on the threshold a nuclear war with North Korea, maybe along with China and Russia.
You keep falling back to personal attacks because you have no way to argue what I have said.
No. I said that it was a “big if” for me being alive in ten years. That could mean anything
I have noticed that people who use the word No in life, and speak that word to others, often get sick, and have all sorts of other problems in life.
Just what I have noticed.
Energy does not flow well through a resistor.
Energy does not flow well through a resistor.
A resistor controls the flow of energy on a circuit board to help prevent that circuit board from frying itself with to much energy.
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