I'm depressed, need to get this off my chest

[ConstantineParticipant 4420]

Uggh, I don’t know why I bother engaging these kind of arguments. Should know by now that it never pays off. But in order to be less miserable, I’m trying to train myself to see both sides of an issue.

I don’t mind somebody disagreeing with me as long as they base their opinion on something logical. But there’s a woman on YouTube giving people a hard time about the difference between male and female circumcision. My stance is, if a man grows up and decides that he wants to do it, that’s fine. His call. However, that’s precisely what it should be – his call. His dick, his rules. It’s when you’re doing it to a helpless baby that it raises a few morals. A person should have some say in whether or not they want to be mutilated, that seems reasonable doesn’t it? Whether you’re a man or a woman, that rule should apply.

I decided to point this out. And she said, “This concern really is the most dramatised subject I can think of. The difference is that there’s no point in female circumcision, ever. Whereas boys can have tight foreskins.”

First of all, like she’d know. Second, there’s no point in male circumcision either – it’s proven to have no health benefits for either sex. Third, maybe some boys have tight foreskins, okay, but that doesn’t seem a common enough problem to warrant every single boy being cut at birth. The principle doesn’t change – I still maintain that the kid should at least be past infancy before anybody can can take a knife to his junk. He’ll get enough of that hassle from society emotionally, he doesn’t need it in the literal.

I should be used to this kind of dismissiveness, but it eats away at me all the same. I surely can’t be on my own here. The worst part was that the video in question listed a whole lot of graphic stories about boys who had suffered severe repercussions – and in some cases died – from circumcision gone wrong. Wouldn’t that be enough to make up your mind?

To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle. -Orwell

[OldBillParticipant]

Why are you even bothering to “debate” the issue with her? Do you seriously think anything you say will make her change her opinion?

She isn’t worth the time or effort. Walk away and stop p~~~ing away your time.

Don’t give people like her free rent in your head.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[StentorianParticipant 1690]

You raise some very good points.

My take on this, is that if it was a redundant attribute. We would not have it to begin with.

We are removing what nature/God/evolution, whatever our beliefs may be, have put into place.

And quite right, without the child’s consent.

I do have a tight foreskin, and saw a urologist about it. He told me very clearly, that there is a high chance of permanent loss of sensitivity. Which cannot be undone.

Nature put it place, for a reason. That is one way to make an argument for this point. It has developed or continued to come down the evolutionary pipeline for a reason.

Tell the c~~~s who are arguing, how they would feel if their clits were removed? That may put it into perspective.

“He who takes an eel by the tail, or a woman at her word, soon finds he holds nothing.”

[ConstantineParticipant 4420]

OldBill wrote:

Why are you even bothering to “debate” the issue with her? Do you seriously think anything you say will make her change her opinion?

She isn’t worth the time or effort. Walk away and stop p~~~ing away your time.

Don’t give people like her free rent in your head.

Ahhhh 🙂 Thanks Bill I needed that. Feeling a bit better now.

Stentorian wrote:

I do have a tight foreskin, and saw a urologist about it. He told me very clearly, that there is a high chance of permanent loss of sensitivity.

If you had the procedure done, or if you didn’t?

Stentorian wrote:

My take on this, is that if it was a redundant attribute. We would not have it to begin with.

My thoughts exactly. We don’t need our appendix, that’s a totally redundant organ. But after a baby is born, they don’t cut its stomach open and take out the appendix unless it’s infected. Maybe they’d be saving that kid some trouble in the long run, if they just removed it straightaway. But how do you think people would feel if that rule was implemented: from now on, doctors must perform an appendectomy at birth in order to prevent future trouble? And an appendix can only cause you trouble. A foreskin doesn’t necessarily.

To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle. -Orwell

[Black butte porterParticipant 433]

So she’s womansplaining. Pretending to know more about a body part she does not have and then explaining that to someone who actually has that body part. Womansplaining.

I want to shove Ms. Piggy in a woodchipper. No quote. That's all.

[StentorianParticipant 1690]

Constantine wrote:

If you had the procedure done, or if you didn’t?

No way bro. When he mentioned having to sign a waiver, and that there may be irreversible damage. I was like, “buddy…why don’t you go ahead and circumcise yourself!” I’ll keep my johnson, just the way it is.

Did not follow through. It is not that tight that it impedes in a severe way. Just have to take certain steps in keeping it stretched and flexible. Which over time, it got better. But is not all the way gone.

Constantine wrote:

My thoughts exactly. We don’t need our appendix, that’s a totally redundant organ. But after a baby is born, they don’t cut its stomach open and take out the appendix unless it’s infected. Maybe they’d be saving that kid some trouble in the long run, if they just removed it straightaway. But how do you think people would feel if that rule was implemented: from now on, doctors must perform an appendectomy at birth in order to prevent future trouble? And an appendix can only cause you trouble. A foreskin doesn’t necessarily.

Again, good points.

There are definite dangers, when man decides to f~~~ with nature. This has been witnessed over and over, across the world, on multiple levels. Nature usually, knows best.

I agree, that if there was an infection, or in a more severe case of having a very tight foreskin, then an incision, to open it up, would be the milder approach, over circumcising a full grown man.

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Seems to be a very applicable understanding.

So much of what is wrong with the world, is when man kind went and f~~~ed with nature. That has rarely worked in our favor.

Circumcision may seem like a trivial subject. But it can do a lot of harm. Must weigh the options carefully.

“He who takes an eel by the tail, or a woman at her word, soon finds he holds nothing.”

[StentorianParticipant 1690]

Black butte porter wrote:

Womansplaining.

That is the never ending entitlement of women. And it runs rampant.

“He who takes an eel by the tail, or a woman at her word, soon finds he holds nothing.”

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Constantine wrote:

My thoughts exactly. We don’t need our appendix, that’s a totally redundant organ. But after a baby is born, they don’t cut its stomach open and take out the appendix unless it’s infected. Maybe they’d be saving that kid some trouble in the long run, if they just removed it straightaway. But how do you think people would feel if that rule was implemented: from now on, doctors must perform an appendectomy at birth in order to prevent future trouble? And an appendix can only cause you trouble. A foreskin doesn’t necessarily.

I beg to differ, appendix play a part in our immune system
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/84937.php

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[The_YoungParticipant 1073]

Why is the skin on your penis an issue? Why do some men regret it so much?

Brother, we need to stick together.

[Black butte porterParticipant 433]

The_Young wrote:

Why is the skin on your penis an issue? Why do some men regret it so much?

Because it’s unquestioned systematic mutilation of our gender while female circumcision is illegal. More evidence that males are 2nd class.

I want to shove Ms. Piggy in a woodchipper. No quote. That's all.

[FermatParticipant 3478]

Why are you getting depressed over what a random chick in the internet says? Does every feminist blog depress you? If not, then that video shouldn’t either. You are better than this.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[Oz-BlokeParticipant 3233]

I see someone’s trying to fund a documentary on the issue of male genital mutilation. Something else for the feminists to protest over and try not to get seen.

#ManOut

[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

We have become a society where exceptions drive the rule. Take a look at abortion. When one questions abortion, the first defense is “Well what about victims or rape or where the mothers life is in danger”

Note that both those instances are exceptions. Is every woman who ever got pregnant a victim or rape? No. Is every woman who is pregnant in danger of losing her life? No. And yet exceptions are used to create whole sale rules.

Same thing here, some boys have tight foreskins, so let’s make a rule to circumcise every boy.

[OldBillParticipant]

Gnostic wrote:

I beg to differ, appendix play a part in our immune system…

Not only did you beat me to it, I don’t have to be the pedant this time around! That’s good news for a recovering pedant like me. 😉

Thanks, brother.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Capslok SpelczechParticipant 108]

“But in order to be less miserable, I’m trying to train myself to see both sides of an issue.” I have to admit, I stopped reading when I read that sentence. This would be a very noble discipline to which one might generally aspire, but bear in mind we are talking about a woman telling a man about the benefits of taking a knife to his dick.

Yes, I think objectivity is a good thing. But I also think it’s up to the disciplined mind to decide when to be objective, and went to simply drop the rope in a tug-of-war and walk away. This is one of those drop-rope moments.

Perhaps a better skill to develop might be to discern when a woman is pushing your buttons. As Keymaster so eloquently and so often says, flip the script. Factually, she probably couldn’t give less of a damn about the issue, and is mostly interested in getting attention.

"Higgins: Magnum, feed the lads, would you? There are steaks in the freezer. [Magnum makes an excited face] Very well, you can have one too."

[AttonParticipant]

Their are real medical indications for both male circumcision and Labiaplasty. Personally that is the way I view it but really context is king.
http://www.channel4embarrassingillnesses.com/video/embarrassing-bodies/consultation-enlarged-labia/
http://www.channel4embarrassingillnesses.com/conditions/phimosis/

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[JimBoLeaParticipant 1891]

I’M NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO BEING A MEDICAL EXPERT BUT SINCE I AM A TYPE 1 DIABETIC AND HAVE TO KEEP CLOSE EYE OUT ON INFECTIONS. CONSTANTINE LET ME FILL YOU IN ON THE BENEFITS OF MALE CIRCUMCISION.

Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it simpler to wash the penis. …
Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. …
Decreased risk of sexually transmitted infections. …
Prevention of penile problems. …
Decreased risk of penile cancer.

THAT IS BUT A FEW . I GOT MINE 8 DAYS OUT OF MY MOMS BELLY. THERE WAS A REASON FOR THAT TO , BUT REMEMBER TO GET YOUR FACTS STREIGHT AND FROM REPUTABLE WEBSITES.

JUST DOING SOME SIMPLE GATHERING OF WEB INFO ON THE SUBJECT AND I FIND RIGHT AT THE TOP SOME “INTACT AMERICANA ” SPOUTING OFF SOME STRANGE CLAIMS. AND WHERE THEY COME FROM “Intact America, founded in 2008 thanks to funding from a private donor”
I CALL SHINNANNIGANS ON THEM AND THERE FACTS.
IT IS ALSO IN MY BIBLE THE BOOK I FALLOW.

LILITH IS THE HEAD SUCCUBUS AND SHE LIVES ON THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

[TriviumParticipant 1029]

Women don’t debate… women say their opinion and you can agree or agree as far as they are concerned. They stop listening unless they hear something that allows them to repeat their opinion in which case you can agree or agree all over again.

I am uncircumcised, disease free and have no issues washing my dick.

"Listen to all, Follow none"

[Biggvs_DickvsParticipant 3725]

Constantine wrote:

Second, there’s no point in male circumcision either – it’s proven to have no health benefits for either sex

Bzzzzzt. I’m sorry, but the correct answer is that it DOES in fact have health benefits, potentially life saving ones. Thank you for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you backstage.

[Note: I chose the wikipedia entry as it’s fairly neutral and well written. Plenty of other sources exist though, just google “circumcision and HIV”]

"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

This argument with a woman is the equivalent of stabing yourself in the eyeball with a number two pencil.

My diagnosis is that you are now depressed.

In the future I suggest less stabbing.

Peace brothers

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