If You're Protesting Trump's Wall, Protest Spain's Fence

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

One thing that makes me upset, as an American, is when my fellow Americans scoff at our immigration laws. The laws were created to keep our society in order. Anyone who wants to ignore the law and open up the borders to the world has no vision for the future safety and financial security of the USA. Yes, are the world’s most prosperous nation—but that doesn’t mean everyone here is financially stable. A lot of the wealth is controlled by a small fraction of our population and it ain’t “trickling down” on the rest of us anytime soon. Many state governments rely on federal grants in order to provide welfare for their residents. About 50 million American citizens are living in poverty and most of them rely on some sort of government aid such as food stamps. In addition to that, there are people sneaking over the Mexican border to get whatever goodies they can get from us: employment (with tax-free money paid “under the table”), free food/education/health care & citizenship for their children, and (in rare cases) amnesty. If it was a few thousand people getting work VISAs who intended to assimilate into our society (by learning English) and showed some GRATITUDE for our generosity, I wouldn’t mind. But the situation is out of control, and there’s a limit to the amount of government aid we can provide for non-citizens as well as our own—and maintain a healthy Social Security pension fund as well!

That’s why I have no problem with Donald Trump’s wall. It’s not an act of racism to keep illegal immigrants and refugees out. It’s an act of self-preservation! And those that are criticizing the wall should also criticize the Spanish government for building large fences to keep African refugees out of their country. I haven’t heard the same criticism toward Spain or any other nation that guards their borders. Why do some people think the USA has some sort of obligation to take care of anyone who is poor or oppressed while other nations—especially those that are next to impoverished/war-torn nations—keep their borders closed? My nation gives 50 billion dollars a year in financial aid to struggling nations, so don’t try to call me cold-hearted or bigoted for wanting to take care the people in my own nation instead of bringing in foreigners—some of whom will likely become a financial burden to the limited budget of my state. The last thing we need is more impoverished neighborhoods—the breeding grounds for angry, rebellious, violent people.

I also don’t want what the Europeans are dealing with—a bunch of angry, young hooligans marching up and down the street who think they’re special agents for Allah. These morons–_if given the chance—will end up creating the kind of oppressive society they claim to be escaping from. I’d rather donate money to build refugee camps where they are oppressed instead of importing them over here.

By the way, I’d like to ask those who insist on having open borders and “sanctuary cities, who also live in nice, gated, middle-class neighborhoods: Would you be willing to invite a large group of poor people from around the globe to sleep in your garages and take whatever they want out of your refrigerators and pantries?

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

“Our borders are like swiss cheese”

-DJT

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

Funinthesun: The US typically ranks about #10 in GDP per capita. So I would disagree about us being the ‘most prosperous nation’. By total GDP we are number 1, but I would argue per capita GDP is a better metric. The road towards #1 is paved with free market capitalism, a road not taken. We, in contrast, are on Hayek’s Road — to Serfdom.

As for the social security ‘pension fund’, there isn’t any — it’s a stack of IOU’s, unsustainable without tax hikes by the time I reach eligibility age in 20 years. FDR’s big ponzi scheme. A very large ponzi scheme which working men like me, are FORCED to participate in as a condition of employment. I’d at least like the option to give the government half the money in my ‘account’ to ‘buy my freedom’ from any future payments.

Most of the Mexicans I know are VERY hard working, typically at hard physical labor.

We tried a ‘3rd way’ to deal with immigration, that doesn’t even receive discussion today: A State which has no welfare bennies, with charity provided by private entities. Then, only men willing to work will come. Unfit mother? Kids go in an orphanage rather than be raised to be gangsters and hoes.

During this era, the economy grew, even with massive immigration (that was, albeit, still limited by quotes, some racist).

Our railroads were built by Chinese; our manufacturing base built up by Irish and other immigrants. So shrinking the State is another alternative. If there are no free goodies, only hard workers will come. Canada’s immigration policy, where you must have a certain amount of money and/or viable employment to be admitted, is certainly another model.

I do agree, with the massive welfare State, we cannot afford freeloaders, and where I reside, we have many ‘political refugees’, who receive free housing and food. The welfare State as it presently exists, cannot persist with too many freeloaders, with that I agree.

[Anonymous 17]

Is this true?

More Mexicans Leaving Than Coming to the U.S.

[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

Dakta: Yes, this is true, Link

Many Mexicans left due to the collapse of the home construction industry in the Great Recession. I have no problem with hardworking Mexicans. I frequently stop at a Taco Truck for lunch — I like the ethnic food and the diversity they bring.

Unfortunately, there is rarely a discussion of WHY Mexicans immigrate, i.e. corrupt governance of Mexico limiting opportunities there.

Immigration allows us to bring in the best and brightest.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

A country without borders isn’t a country.

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[darreljamesonParticipant 57]

Hungary also built a fence recently, to stop the influx of the rapefugees 0bama wants to bring here. In a way I like it how Euro countries now have a taste of the mass illegal immigration that the US has put up with for far too many years. We don’t need more low skilled workers and we don’t need more illegal drugs smuggled in.

There are already too many unemployed and the cities are already filled with crack, yet we bring in more of both and raise the minimum wage while these guys will work for less under the table or just drop an anchor baby and live off the taxpayer. So we depress wages, then say minimum needs increased…makes no sense unless you want stagflation and a higher poverty level.

Before you say NAWALT, condemn those women publicly; it's like a signal flare to the good men you can't find. But. first...stop being THAT girl.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

There really is no need for a country to waste a single breath justifying increased immigration control. Nobody has said that America is no longer a country you can become a citizen of. I don’t see why I should listen to any politician that willingly supports foreigners breaking our laws. Basically the message they are sending is “Break our laws the second you enter the country and we’ll grant you citizenship”. It’s a farce.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[Klaus WindamierParticipant 543]

Also India build the longest fence in modern human history in all their borders with Bangladesh.

‘In the mid- and late 1980s, India’s plan to erect a fence to prevent cross-border migration from Bangladesh and Bangladesh’s desire that Chakma insurgents not receive Indian covert assistance and refuge in India were major irritants in bilateral relations.’

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/india-bangladesh-fence.htm

[RennieParticipant]

Cut off welfare first. Once the free stuff stops and they figure out they actually have to work for a living. Then the freeloaders will greatly diminish.

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