Ideology Conflict

[jambearParticipant 282]

I ran into an odd problem this evening. I was finishing up class and walking to my car when I was approached by a woman. It seemed she was having trouble getting her car to start and did not know what to do. My campus is not in the best part of town and she was a small (5′ 2″) white girl. My first instinct was to turn her down and be on my way, no way was I going to be some beta, but then it occurred to me. What if I see this girl on the news tomorrow and it turned out she got killed or raped  while waiting for help? I do not think I could live with something like that on my conscience. I ended up helping her out (nothing but some corrosion built up on the positive side node of the battery) and sending her on her way. My question is did I just become a utility? What would you guys have done?

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Was she giving the puppy dog eyes and flirting with you or did she just need help? If she wasn’t putting you on then I don’t see  what the problem is. I would have showed her how to do it and said now you can fix it yourself in the future and been on my way. Helping someone out doesn’t make you a beta, doing it because a chick is trying to manipulate you and the outcome you are looking for isn’t going to happen is what makes someone a beta.

I hold the door open for people, male, female, elderly or whatever if I’m on my way out and they are headed inside, it’s just a habit I have and I’m not all that worried about what it does or doesn’t make me. If someone expects me to hold the door open for them by indicating so I won’t oblige them, they can f~~~ off for all I care. I’m not doing it to be praised, it is just the civil thing to do and I’m not expending any extra effort.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[IgnisParticipant 157]

It´s okay. From my point of view you did it because you wanted to.
I think little  gestures like that change the way people judge others.
You saw someone that needed help and then provided it. She didn´t used you.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Great question. Yeah you just became a utility. The book “The Manipulated Man” actually STARTS with a scenario exactly like that. (I have included the opening paragraphs below) Guy pulls over to help a chick out. Dirties his shirt, hands and shoes and make himself late for work…. But here’s a better one for you.. you were already just a utility BEFORE she met you. CHAPTER ONE “the slave’s happiness”.

What if I see this girl on the news tomorrow and it turned out she got killed or raped while waiting for help?

Defeating your conscience is a MGTOW learning to walk. She’s not your goddam responsibility. You made her your responsibility. You assumed responsibility – virtually “by the book”. Bet your ass she doesn’t give a s~~~ about you. So why do you give a s~~~ about her? And as long as you’re playing “what if”…. “what if” she decided to play victim and say YOU raped her? Then YOU would be on the news the next morning and your life would be over on no more than her WHIM. Do you think she gives a s~~~?

That’s how you defeat your conscience. Easily.

Why don’t you expect her to inconvenience herself for you too? I would say OK tomorrow you will spend the same amount of time making me dinner. the LEAST she could do is take your number, offer to bake you a pie and drive it to your house, buy you a burger, or throw some f~~~ing dry noodles in a pot of boiling water for you. If a woman has the nerve to think you exist to assist her… you MAKE her do this. Exploit her back.

That kind of expectation would seem ridiculous to you, right? You’re happy to help her for nothing. And that’s the difference between men and women. A woman behaves like you should “prove yourself”. She expects a man to be established and have a business and a 6-figure salary, and at least a BMW before she will consider meeting him for a cup of coffee. But she herself drives a beat up Honda, and makes $29,000 as a waitress. What women expect you to be (and bring) she doesn’t even expect of HERSELF.

Try “no” next time. What do you think her reaction would be? One of horror and disgust.

This means she expects you to help her for no thanks at all. In her mind, NOT doing it is a -1. You would be “an asshole”. And the only reason you do it, is to NOT be an asshole. That’s how men go through life. Constantly “proving themselves” just to stay at zero! It’s up to you to end that s~~~. Your assistance and huminatarian effort will count as a +1, or you will not do it at all.

Since helping her is not a +1….. and NOT doing it is a -1, then there’s your reason for never doing it again.

You ask what I would do. And that’s my attitude now.
As far as women are concerned, my assistance and huminatarian effort will count as a +1, or I will not do it at all.

I wil not help some bitch just to “not look like an asshole”. That’s the WRONG reason. A colleague of mine was having a smoke outside. A homeless guy asked for one, and offered him 50 cents for it. He was holding two quarters in his hand outstretched. My friend gave him 2 cigarettes and told him to keep the 50 cents. But when we were outside in front a bar some weeks ago…. a girl dressed to the nines swinging a COACH purse asked for a cigarette offering NOTHING. When he said “no” she looked at us like we were being “rude”.

That’s what I’m talkin”bout.

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THE MANIPULATED MAN

OPENING : “THE SLAVE’S HAPPINESS”

The lemon-colored MG skids across the road and the woman driver brings it to a somewhat uncertain halt. She gets out and finds her left front tire flat. Without wasting a moment she prepares to fix it: she looks towards the passing cars as if expecting someone. Recognizing this standard international sign of woman in distress (‘weak female let down by male technology’), a station wagon draws up. The driver sees what is wrong at a glance and says comfortingly, “Don’t worry. We’ll fix that in a jiffy” To prove his determination, he asks for her jack. He does not ask if she is capable of changing the tire herself because he knows – she is about thirty, smartly dressed and made-up – that she is not. Since she cannot find a jack, he fetches his own, together with his other tools. Five minutes later the job is done and the punctured tire properly stowed. His hands are covered with grease. She offers him an embroidered handkerchief, which he politely refuses. He has a rag for such occasions in his tool box. The woman thanks him profusely, apologizing for her`typically feminine’ helplessness. She might have been there till dusk, she says, had he not stopped. He makes no reply and, as she gets back into the car, gallantly shuts the door for her. Through the wound-down window he advises her to have her tire patched at once and she promises to get her garage man to see to it that very evening. Then she drives off.

As the man collects his tools and goes back to his own car, he wishes he could wash his hands. His shoes – he has been standing in the mud while changing the tire – are not as clean as they should be (he is a salesman). What is more, he will have to hurry to keep his next appointment. As he starts the engine he thinks, `Women! One’s more stupid than the next’. He wonders what she would have done if he had not been there to help. He puts his foot on the accelerator and drives off – faster than usual. There is the delay to make up. After a while he starts to hum to himself. In a way, he is happy.

Almost any man would have behaved in the same manner – and so would most women. Without thinking, simply because men are men and women so different from them, a woman will make use of a man whenever there is an opportunity. What else could the woman have done when her car broke down? She has been taught to get a man to help. Thanks to his knowledge he was able to change the tire quickly – and at no cost to herself. True, he ruined his clothes, put his business in jeopardy, and endangered his own life by driving too fast afterwards. Had he found something else wrong with her car, however, he would have repaired that, too. That is what his knowledge of cars is for. Why should a woman learn to change a flat when the opposite sex (half the world’s population) is able and willing to do it for her?

Women let men work for them, think for them and take on their responsibilities – in fact, they exploit them. Yet, since men are strong, intelligent and imaginative, while women are weak, unimaginative, and stupid, why isn’t it men who exploit women?

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If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[jambearParticipant 282]

@ChaosOverAll I can say she was not flirting or making the puppy dog eyes, it was more on the verge of crying and scared look. I did how her the problem and how to fix it in the future, the problem was the corrosion build up. No way to properly fix that unless you have the right tools, which is just to scrub it down with a wire brush with a baking soda/ water mix. That is a common issue where I live because of the conditions.

@Ignis That is what I was thinking on the way home, it was no big deal. I grew up in a poor area and everyone had crappy vehicles. It became a sort of unwritten that if you saw someone having car trouble you helped them. Or at the least you helped them push it to a parking lot off of the road. Anytime someone broke down in an intersection I would instinctively stop and help push them to a safe spot.

@KeyMaster I understand what you are saying and it makes sense to me. I guess I was thinking of my own sanity more than anything. I just did not want something like that on my conscience. I will just chalk it up to a perfect storm of a conditioned response to a broken down vehicle and not wanting to feel bad. If I am being honest even if it was a guy I would not have asked for anything in return or have expected anything, if something was offered I would have resisted. Thinking on this now it is making me question how many more conditioned responses I have on being a utility. I will have to give “The Manipulated Man” a read.

Thank you guys for your opinions on this. It seems I still have much more to learn.

[TYEParticipant 291]

I agree with KeyMaster society has given you the illusion that you should care more for the opposite sex, and put her above yourself you could’ve easily driven off it that was a man instead in her place. Why is this?! Because you’re fully aware that a man has the capabilities to defend himself, in a way it’s viewing women from a conservative stance “weak, and defenseless” that woman could’ve been crazy, or armed with a fire arm. You’re also reinforcing the stereotype that woman are more likely to be attacked than men when this is in fact false, not to many people know that 70% of domestic violence is carried out by women they’re more violent, and dangerous than we think.  My point is stop viewing women as these beautiful creatures who’s s~~~ doesn’t stink, because that mentality will get you screwed over you’re putting yourself in the same position as a beta male to become a victim to the predatory female.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@jambear. Just a little tough love, from me to you, buddy.

Before I say more on this, I will drop this idea in your head and let you think about it:

Have you ever considered YOU have MUCH more reason to be afraid of HER? The odds of you getting “raped” are actually greater! The odds of her criminalizing you – even if you were a badged Police officer – are more of a reality than anything you’re worried she will have to go through. So how can you care more about her well-being than your OWN?

MGTOW aren’t just MGTOW because it’s cool. I mean it.

I guess I was thinking of my own sanity more than anything. I just did not want something like that on my conscience.

Here is a woman’s “conscience”. Even when she is totally in the wrong and knows it.

/video/false-rape-thwarted-by-police-camera/

I will just chalk it up to a perfect storm of a conditioned response to a broken down vehicle and not wanting to feel bad. If I am being honest even if it was a guy I would not have asked for anything in return or have expected anything, if something was offered I would have resisted.

Another quote of the week. Of course you would. We are ALL BUILT THAT WAY. To our own demise and detriment. You’re just a good guy like all the rest of us. But it’s time for you to accept, you have been socially conditioned that way – on purpose. Women are counting on this from you. You’re actually an “asshole” if you are NOT like that. Have you considered that? We have all have been socially conditioned to the point of helping some female who can ruin a man’s life LEGALLY by opening her f~~~ing mouth – with no concept of right and wrong.

To me, that kind of situation is like watching a toddler play with a loaded gun. Horrifying.

OldAtHeart nailed it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[wonkoParticipant 52]

@jambear please carefully consider @keymaster advice: As a man, in todays modern feminized(ist?) world; You can appear professionally attired, a business man, a professor, a doctor and still be removed from sitting next to children on an airplane simply because you MAY potentially be a suspect something or other. He’s a “potential pedophile” before he’s a business man. He’s a “potential rapist” before he’s a professor. He an “idle tramp” before he’s your average working man taking a break….

Jambear made a bad mistake. You got WAY to close to a strange female who got herself into questionable circumstances. Most femes are not to tightly wrapped in the head and your finger prints are all over that chicks car. This feme definitely belongs in the “not too tightly wrapped” category by driving “questionable” areas without maintaining her car.  If something were to actually happen to her you shared a same location, time slot, with her. If some days later she gets clobbered by someone for some other problem and wakes up in the street, She might even remember your face for the police sketch artist….

wonko stays the hell away from strange dainty females like the plague; especially under questionable circumstances.  She has a cell phone and  towing service is only a phone call away. It will cost her a few dollars. Why should you take that income away from some poor guy just trying to make his living? She needs to learn the same lesson that every guy has to. Either pay the maintenance OR pay for the tow truck and then pay the maintenance. Yes wonko has had the “opportunity” to help the “automotive damsel in distress”. He just quietly approaches his own little truck from the direction farthest away from her. And he is proud to say that he even got in on the passenger side  once because the damsel’s car was on the drivers side; slid himself over and started his exceptionally quiet engine. Note wonkos engine purrs like a kitten because he constantly babies it with new parts and excessive  maintenance. He then carefully backed out and with jumper cables clearly visible in the back of his truck camper and drove off.

be careful out there fellas  – wonko

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

I”m going to disagree with a few here simply because I think we need to be good men. I never seen a man help a woman. On the subway only women would help the handicapped people. Not one man would help. This happened more than a few occasions. Just because the majority of women are feminists are feminist like doesn’t mean all them are. Nobody is planning to even date this woman so I don’t see the reason not to help her. As long as helping her doesn’t interfere greatly with your life I think you should help. That person is someone’s daughter, a sibling etc.

Not every woman is going to feminist like. We as MGTOW need to be good people. To pick and choose who to help I think lacks character. I did use to think I won’t ever help women. But I see women helping men and I have experienced myself. Women offering to help me carry heavy things because it was obvious I was taking breaks lifting heavy things. Not one guy offered to help me although several passed by.

I think Feminism actually test my character. Would I get angry and hateful at them? Would I go to their level? Because hate is going to their level and that’s what they want. I can’t be have peace in my life if there is hatred, resentment, fear, etc. I stopped dating women to bring peace into my life but to bring it upon myself.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[AlexIsAfraidSpectator 113]

Sometimes you have to be cruel or do the what seems to be wrong thing to maintain who you are and not fall into temptation…as Chaos had said, you should of taught her how to fix it so she could of learned and knew how to in the future…  fish for a man he eats for a day, teach him how to fish he eats for a life time, her doing this was probably utilizing you, but you did the correct thing in the sense of not letting her walk home alone.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@alex. That’s very adult of you.

@ others…. Friction and disagreement is good and healthy. Thanks for stepping in Canuck and I get it. I really do. But I have been MUCH too kind. Still am, and it actually takes work to step back and THINK, and to not be so f~~~ing generous because women JUST DONT APPRECIATE it. All I am saying is, I have reached my limit with that.

“OF COURSE I will be happy to help” is always our gut reaction. Concepts like paying it forward, “being the better man”, nice guy s~~~, and selfless generosity etc….. makes us all feel good. That goes without saying. OP did nothing wrong. On the contrary, he’s a great sport and I probably would have done it too.

But he IS struggling with something that can easily be overcome.
Let’s not forget, this is MGTOW.com… not howtobeaniceguy.com

I will tell you about a date I went on last year. Nice girl. Never banged her. Only casually knew her. Had tickets to see a show – way expensive seats ($500 a pair)- and thought it would be fun to take her and surprise the s~~~ out of her to see an outdoor concert. So I had f~~~ing excellent tickets, didn’t tell her we were going, told her I was picking her up at X time, to be ready and it would be a surprise. She was delighted and couldn’t wait.

So I pick her up and she is DYING to know where we are going.

I kept it a secret and we started walking. Then she notices crowds everywhere. OMG what’s going on? Holy s~~~ so-and-so is in town doing a concert. BIG name celebrity is giving a concert. She still has no idea where we are going. I play dumb and ask someone on the street, “whos playing?”.

WOW REALLY? So I turn to her and say “should we see it?” and I pull out 2 tickets. She practically starts CRYING. She’s holding back tears and feeling like the most special girl in the universe. NOBODY ever did anything like this for her. And we’re not even dating. To be clear, I didn’t do it for her. I did it for me, and she was invited to come along. Just doing something “nice” for the sake of it.

We go through security and take our seats. then I open the bag Im carrying. She thought it was my laptop and s~~~ from work. I pull out great food. Plates. Bottle of Robert Mondavi wine. Grapes, Good cheese. Strawberries. Proscuito ham. French Bread. Caprese salad. And we were going to an outdoor concert where everybody picnics and enjoys music under an open sky. She’s f~~~ing freaking out with excitement and giggling. I swear she was close to proposing.

The two ladies next to her see this s~~~, lean in to her and say “WOW. Don’t let this guy go”.
I overheard it and said “oh we’re not dating. I barely know her.” which just f~~~ed her mind up great.

The evening is over, and it’s late, so I drop her off at home. She’s looking for ANY way to thank me and invites me for Christmas Dinner that she will prepare with a bunch of her friends. She wants to make it up to me and tells me how grateful she was for the good time and asks me to BE SURE to keep Christmas reserved for her. Told her I was looking forward to it and appreciated her kind invitation very much.

I never heard from her again.

Not a goddam word. Christmas came and went, and because she is a WOMAN, I already expected it.
This is not some Friday night drink thing. This is CHRISTMAS DINNER. You don’t “flake” on Christmas for f~~~ sake. Ever.

(…. unless you’re female.)

In fact, everyday that got closer to Christmas and I didn’t get a call or an email confirming….. I smiled more, because I saw it coming. Hearing from her would have shocked me, actually. I even went and made other plans.

This is how well you can treat a girl, be nice, be helpful, be generous, and they JUST DONT GIVE A S~~~.
I really, really enjoyed this outcome, because I predicted it with absolute accuracy.

… and that’s why any chick that needs help with her car — can go fist herself. Right to the elbow.

If I read about her in the news the next day, I would probably take myself out for a nice dinner to celebrate.
Now you know where my previous answers came from.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AlexIsAfraidSpectator 113]

@keymaster

Thank you, I become more adult and wise  as I take knowledge from you all, learning more and more each day.

[Deus Ex MachinaParticipant 1068]

Given previous experiences both personally, I’d say no. Cruel?, absolutely not. Let me give you 2 examples that pertains to this particular subject on helping the “damsel in distress” .

 

1. When I was going to college my second year, an Emo girl  was in one of my classes,  She sat pretty close to me and sometimes before class and after we chatted. we would talk about horror movies or art nothing much, just small talk. She drove a s~~~ty 69′ VW bug that always broke down or needed jump starting. We had night classes because I worked during the day, I was worried about her well being, because the parking lot wasn’t well lit and worried she would be raped or robbed if i didn’t help her. so I’d help her out at least once or twice a week, i felt sorry because she was dainty little thing, cute but a complete ditz most of the time. One evening, her car didn’t start, same drill, grab the jumper cables jump start the car, all of a sudden i see this large truck come screaming into the parking lot, and a short muscular guy comes out and starts yelling at the emo girl,  it’s her brother. The dude was yacking on about “where the f~~~ was she, and who the f~~~ is this guy?”. after helping her car get started up, i undo the cables put them away in my car.

 

She drives off, no thank you, nothing. So here I am alone with this guy who I don’t know what he’s capable of, He starts to tell me how she has these mental problems and how i should avoid her “at all cost“, Baffled by this i ask him “why?”, He then goes on to tell me on how she goes through men like water, often times her “split personality disorder kicks in”.  that was all the advice I needed, i saw her again a few times at school but never bothered with her again, one of the guys in my class helped her with her car, I wonder whatever happened to that poor sap?.

 

 

2. A few years after that my uncle and I are on our way to get a new boat trailer for my Uncle, he needed the extra help and I was glad to help him out because he’s a kick ass uncle. So we head down the freeway about 20 mins away, we see a van stalled on the side of the road, a typical mother looking woman is waving on coming traffic, both my uncle and I agree to pull over and see what’s going on. The lady had a old dodge the one with the wood panels on the side, typical soccer mom looking woman. She had three kids in the car one of which looked like the oldest at age of 12 or so. she had a flat tire, no problem, we get the jack out, I get the spare out from the bottom of the van, when i notice her 12 year old get out of the Van and walk around our truck a few times, the mom stands in front of the both of us blocking our view of the truck and making small chit chat, and stupid women questions.

I didn’t think much about it,and got back to putting this tire back on the Van and headed back out. we finish up, the 12 year old runs back into the van, and the mom and her have some quiet conversation, odd behavior but i didn’t think much about it at the time. The woman sat in her van and didn’t even bother to shake both our hands saying “your hands look dirty and i have game i need to get my kids too” in a very cold tone of voice. My uncle in agreement with her, says “yeah we are kinda dirty, enjoy your day!. She had this snotty toned “thank you” voice, then pealed out like a bat outta hell.

Odd very odd, we get down to the dealership to purchase the boat trailer my Uncle had saved up for, the deal was made, all that was left was the exchange of money. My uncle goes to the truck, looks, and looks, frantic he calls my name in a panic tone of voice, i tell him what’s wrong?, he says:

“The money, the 12 grand!, where the hell is it?”, I didn’t know he had cash in the truck, i thought maybe he was going to bring a check or something, He said he left the 12grand underneath his seat in leather bank bag and didn’t lock the door when we helped fix the flat tire……my heart sinks….That girl, the 12 year old, she was in out truck!. I was f~~~ing furious, like ready to beat the living s~~~ outta someone furious. we checked that truck with a fine tooth comb, nothing. We knew, then and there we’d been had. We call the police, they come down to the dealership we give them descriptions, write out a police report (unfortunately, we didn’t get the license plate, the lady was in a hurry and so were we), halfway through writing our police report, one of the Police officers tells his buddies:

“oh, we have another one of these guys, she strikes again boys!”. Come to find out, we weren’t the only victims, this had happened to 3 other men and a woman who had 2,000 in cash stolen from her car as well. she fit the description to the T with the same M.O., What p~~~ed me off beyond belief was that here was my uncle, a great man, who helped people all his life, and worked hard to get where he was and what he earned, and some bitch, who used her kids to rob people, “highway robbery” i called it.

 

I can understand where you’re coming from Jambear, but after being duped, lied to and stolen from. I just can’t anymore, in my heart of hearts, i don’t want it to be that way, but when you have crap like this  life throws at you, it’s easy after awhile to just say “NO”, saying No to a woman is damn near impossible sometimes, but if practiced, and said often, it’s a cake walk, a woman can’t handle rejection, and neither can they accept the word NO, it’s as foreign to them as north Korea, learn how to say NO.

Not too long ago, about an hour from my house and Man was severely beaten by two other guys in a road trap robberies. they had a girl who looked like she needed help on the side of the road, the two men would later jump out from behind the bushes, beat and rob whoever helped and then take off.  This is a reality very few can accept.

 

 

"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb

[jambearParticipant 282]

@OldAtHeart

@CrazyCanuck

@Alexander Reynolds

@KeyMaster

@Deus Ex Machina

I can see now that I left myself in a ridiculously vulnerable position. I think I lucked out and nothing will come of it, I hope, but I will just have to be more vigilant in the future, not just against woman it seems but my own instincts and mind as well. Thanks guys.

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@jambear, we owe it to the lurkers too.

For every one Jambear who actually writes out the thought…
there are 9 former White Knights choking on a red pill right now.

The money-shot comes from DeuxEx:

saying No to a woman is damn near impossible sometimes, but if practiced, and said often, it’s a cake walk, a woman can’t handle rejection, and neither can they accept the word NO, it’s as foreign to them as north Korea, learn how to say NO.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Rock St.EddieParticipant 129]

Good s~~~ here.

[rasputinParticipant 52]

You did fine, you helped her because someone needed help and you were able to provide it.  It wasn’t your responsibility and it wasn’t your fault she was in that situation.  It was something that you chose to do a little cost to yourself to that you believed would make the world a slightly better place.

But at the same time if you had kept driving that would be your prerogative.  And yes some ignorant people would judge you negatively if you did that but f~~~ them, you aren’t living your life to please other people.

If it had been a man on the side of the road looking scared and confused I bet you would have stopped and offered to help as well.

There is a difference between being manipulated and being kind.  And unlike what our media and many women would have us believe kindness and gentleness aren’t a weakness.  To paraphrase one of my favorite books “A winner is strong enough to be gentle, a loser is either weak or pettily tyrannous in turns.”

[IggyThundersParticipant 246]

Amen Rasputin. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

[The PrisonerParticipant 21]

I can understand wanting to help out a woman or a man that is having a problem.  I will often help out people however I have a limit on what I will do in certain situations.  For one I will almost never help out a woman that is having car problems.  For one she can be just bait and was said in an earlier post.  However another reason is how much will I leave myself open legally?  Okay let’s ignore the false rape claims and such, let’s just say the woman has a flat tire.  I step up to help her and put her spare on.  A short ways down the road the spare blows out, or the axle comes apart, first person they will look for to hold responsible is me since I was the last person that did any work on that car.  Jambear, I can understand wanting to help that woman out in the parking lot.  However in a case like that the help I would offer would have been to call her a tow truck and that is it.  Okay aside from the risk of false rape accusations, theft, being beaten to a bloody pulp from guys waiting nearby you left yourself open to a lawsuit from this woman.

 

I would like you Jambear and everyone else here to know that I am actually a nice guy.  Despite my looks of being a biker, I will help out the handicap, if I am on a bus I will give up my seat to that old fart and so on.  Hell often times I have helped out neighbors and friends that had computer troubles and often times did not charge them if the problem was small.  I actually enjoy helping out people and I don’t really care if it is a man or woman.  I do also know that somethings I do not help out with because I leave myself open to a lawsuit.  I do know that when a woman is involved extra caution must be taken.  You never want to meet with a woman alone, always have a witness with.  It is sad that it has come down to this, however you can never be sure what a woman will try and pull these days.  Like KeyMaster has said about his date, I too have done similar things and gotten the same results.  However these days if I take a woman on a date it is usually to an amusement park or something like that and I have been friends with the woman for a long time.  I may spend a few bucks on a ticket or dinner, however nothing more than I can afford.  If I am pulling out $500 plus dollars you better believe she is an escort and sex is guaranteed.  So I don’t help out a woman because she looks cute, I would have normally helped her out because I just enjoy helping people.  The problem is that KeyMaster is right in that it is just too damned dangerous to help out women these days.

 

Something that happened to me today that I thought was kind of funny.  I did some shopping to buy some food, so I had a basket loaded up with all kinds of s~~~.  A guy steps in line behind me and looks at my cart and then starts looking around.  I asked him “what’s up are you in a hurry?”.  The guy  tells me “Yes” and as normal in this store, the few checkout counters that are open are packed and this guy was only holding a few things.  So I tell the guy, “Aww, hell just go in front of me, I am not in a hurry”.  This guy looks at me with surprise and says “really? are you sure?”, I of course said “Yea, go ahead”.  The guy spent the next 5 minutes are so thanking the s~~~ out of me for letting him go in front of me.  Often times I will do small things like this for other men.  Truthfully I will not do them for other women anymore.  The main reason is because if the situation is reversed and I am the one in a hurry I can say with 99.9% certainty that a woman would never let me cut in front of her.  I have been told before that if I cleaned up my looks a bit that maybe women would be nicer to me.  I always reply to this the same way which is, “I look this way for a reason, it keeps most of the women away from me”.  The only problem is that the women that will come up to me are usually bat s~~~ crazy.  So KeyMaster some very good points you made my friend.

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There is a difference between being manipulated and being kind.

Sometimes hard to tell the difference.
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@The Prisoner

You sound like a good man to me. I never thought about the liability if something happened to the car after I touched it either. It seems we built up a society that does not want to help each other anymore because of fear. Seems sad to me.

“I look this way for a reason, it keeps most of the women away from me”

Music to my ears.

 

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