I'd extend a hand as I introduce myself but this is the Internet.

[JanglesParticipant 18]

Greetings everyone!

I’m 24 and have had a long running love-hate thing with my manhood and by extension my sexuality as a whole. Trying to decide how I should be required looking though a few different lenses and my status as a man was a good way to start. I’ll probably be posting later on that but to stay on the task.

I’m argumentative, I think its key to keeping your wits sharp. I like to talk philosophy or pretty much whatever and I love to play me some devils advocate. I’m strait for what its worth, but always felt inferior in some regards due to the fact that I’ve never been particularly successful with women. Still bothers me a bit but I make do. Tend toward honesty, not because I think its morally better but because it saves time. Time is important to me at least.

Learned about MGTOW while researching some anti-feminism stuff to debate with a coworker who is a feminist and I like the idea. Self Ownership and doing whats best for you is great. I’ve long thought about the idea and I’ll not lie a part of me would like to get married and so forth, I’d like to have kids and a family granted I can look at the state of things are recognize that its a terrible idea for now at least. So for now I’m looking for some good conversation, possibly some friends and maybe some insight. Going your own way, doesn’t mean you have to walk alone.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I hate that term: “success(ful) with women”. It’s PUA bulls~~~ and a myth. After all, the BEST thing that happens when you have “success with women” is a simple sex act — and a possible pregnancy. That’s it. A man must aim higher in life. Striving for any other kind of success is more rewarding…because it pays better. Sex can be ordered like pizza for less money, effort, trouble and time than *they* would have you believe. So strongly consider wiping the term “success with women” out of your personal lexicon. It’s grossly misleading.

When you really think about it, avoiding a costly divorce (or relationship with the wrong woman) is going to pay you a hell of a lot more than letting her in your life. That’s a guarantee. So you getting RID of her is the “success”. When women started collecting enormous payouts for being s~~~ty wives and mothers the term “success with women” took a nosedive and has totally lost it’s meaning.

Ive never ben dragged through an expensive divorce. Never been cuckholded. Never paid alimony or child support – especially for a kid that’s not even mine, and I “successfully” humiliated a chick who tried to get away with making a false harassment claim. And every dime after taxes is MINE. By today’s standards…. THATS’ called “success with women”.

Society works very hard at trying to convince you NOT having a woman around means you’re “not successful with women”. And it’s too easy to hang your head and be glum about it. But the standards have changed, and now avoiding them is the REAL success…. because a man can be more inclined to CELEBRATE it.

Greetings Jangles. Welcome and thanks for joining. You’re definitely not alone.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[JanglesParticipant 18]

The More research I do the more evidence to your conclusions are there. No lie. I can accept that logically but there’s that ever so shouty part of my lizard brain and while I can cause it some disquiet it occasionally finds something to shout about much to my dismay.

The same goes for the ‘success with women’ I can look at it and know, statistically that most people dont live the way that society has taught me to think they do, and that its not really a good yard stick, and its a risky one to push, but still my lizard brain… It’s just stressful and occasionally problematic. I appreciate the welcome though. Hope to have some good discussion here.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Well, naturally you will struggle with the dialogue that has been instilled in you since birth. But you can still enjoy women for what they are. As Clint Eastwood said in a movie once… “women when I want ’em, and none by the name of Hogan”. Meaning, he has no interest in shunning them, OR marrying them. That’s the beauty of going your own way.

You said it yourself. Going your own way doesn’t mean you have to walk alone. That is the truth, my friend.

PS. I like your avatar. And like your avatar says… it’s a “radical” notion to completely make your own choices. Men are very quick to enslave themselves and appear to be discontent when they are completely “free”. A trigger goes off telling you “this aint right”, or “something is missing”. It’s like when you finally paid off a car after 3 or 5 years, what’s the first thing a guy does? He considers upgrading, getting a new lease, and enslaving himself again for another 5 years of even BIGGER payments.

It’s natural to question your freedom. Because freedom isn’t free. Too many many cannot AFFORD to be completely free. And many of them sign their own lives away by joining the military at a MUCH too young age, or getting married right out of college, or getting themselves in some kind of trouble, a DUI which will cost them for the rest of their lives.

It’s widely known that criminals who served their time – when released – want to return back to prison. It’s called “being institutionalized”. And once a man is institutionalized, he doesn’t know what to do with himself when he isn’t anymore…. so he would rather be institutionalized again. The divorced man who paid dearly, will simply return to another marriage. It’s an important thing to consider. Liberating oneself.

Men have been SOCIALIZED to do this. It’s the way the system has been engineered. De-programming is not a quick or easy process by any means.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[TheBardParticipant 974]

Welcome jangles. So would I be wrong to say I have bad luck with women then? if so I am going to need to think of something else to say when people tell me to find a woman instead of adopting lol.

[JanglesParticipant 18]

You’re telling me. Kind of hard to shut some parts of your brain off sometimes. I’ve been imbibing so much material on the matter lately that I think ‘red pill rage’ may be applicable. Feel like shouting from the rooftops some times. I am a fan of the most radical man, from the radical lands.

I find it kind of funny you’d talk about car payments… I’ve bought ever car cash cause I hate the very idea. Tired of people telling me I ‘have to’ or ‘can’t make it without’ a credit score. A similar if only tangential issue.

As for TheBard I have to say, you’re probably on to something there. Hadn’t considered adopting but thought about doing some youth volunteering. Try to give the next generation of kids a good role model.

[TheBardParticipant 974]

<cite>@jangles said:</cite>

As for TheBard I have to say, you’re probably on to something there. Hadn’t considered adopting but thought about doing some youth volunteering. Try to give the next generation of kids a good role model.

I would joke about adopting after I broke up with my ex and we still would hang out and I would hope she would date me again. I formally got the idea after taking the red pill. My ex had just used me for sex while giving the illusion she wanted to date again and she blamed me for and said I used her. I want a daughter, but women don’t want to get married or date, at least guys like me, nor do I want to have to pay child support and lose half my stuff so I decided I would adopt or do IVF.

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