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- Women just have a knack for making us feel like s~~~ don’t they? Here’s an argument that was on a men’s issues thread. It starts with her comment —Anon
Excuse me while I cry for you..
Me
I don’t think you realize how dramatic you’re being.
Me
Well it’s true… and most men agree with me. We might not say it in the open, but we all know it’s happening. It’s quite serious, but we don’t complain because we’re men.
Anon
Fine, I’ll play along. What s~~~ have you been witnessing? How have women been demonizing and putting men down? Explain in detail.
Me
Do your own research. But I will say this:
The media, the education system, the healthcare system, gynosympathy, the legal system, law enforcement and even the workforce to an extent. So many things are aimed at battering men to the core so that we are demoralized and disempowered
Anon
I have done my own research and it does not go along with your little theories at all, which is why I asked you to explain what you’re going on about, but you couldn’t do that, of course. Sure there are things that are in favor of women, just like there are things that are in favor of men, but do you notice any of those things? Of course not, you just notice the things that aren’t fair to you cause you are selfish. Last time I checked, men were still in more power than women, so they are just as much, if not more, to blame for the inequality that exists between the sexes. You clearly have deeper issues against women when you go around calling us lying, manipulative bitches when men have put women through a hell of a lot worse.
Me
Hey no need be so rude. I asked you to do your own research because I can’t go on and on here… I gave you some good overall points to research but you didn’t. While men have had some advantages in the past, even arguably more than women, in today’s west men have almost zero advantages. Even if we do it’s nothing compared to what women have… Nothing!!
Me
But f~~~ that, what’s worse is how insidiously feminism has killed male spirit, and thus, feminized men and society.
Anon
No need to be rude? You called us all lying, manipulative bitches! You’re lucky I’m not being worse. I’m sorry, why exactly can’t you go on and on here? … Cause you have nothing to say. Thank you for at least admitting they have had some advantages, but it is certainly not arguable whether it was more or less than women cause everyone knows it was way more. I won’t go over the advantages that men have over women now since Dandeus pretty much listed many important ones that you probably haven’t even taken into consideration. You don’t seem feminized to me and neither do most other guys, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.
Me
Well, if you don’t want to talk it’s okay. It p~~~es me off that you refuse to acknowledge that you have excess privileges and support while we men have it far, far worse. Or maybe I’m wrong and you’re just ignorant.
Me
What I will say is, let go of your inner anger, bitterness and sexism towards men. See how hard we have it. We’re not what you’ve been told by feminist society. I hope that you will eventually become a more compassionate person, free of biases who helps people and contributes positively to society.
Anon
You don’t have it worse! Like I said before, women have some privileges and men have others, but it’s pretty equal in different ways and nothing for you to really be complaining about. And yea, you’re wrong, but for an entirely different reason…
Anon
I don’t have anything against men. There are men in my life that I love. I don’t even deal with feminism. Sure, I want equality, but you people on GAG take the whole topic way too far. I’m probably the least biased person you will ever come across…
Me
What you have been saying is actually misinformed psychobabble.. Maybe you don’t want to admit how much men have fallen because it hurts you. Maybe you just want to keep your privileges. Whatever it may be, you need to do some research and sort out your issues.
Anon
I can’t deal with you anymore, you’re exactly what you describe me to be and you can’t even see it.
Me
That doesn’t even make any sense.
Anon
It makes perfect sense! Think about it…
Me
Okay, let’s say you’re right.
1. It doesn’t hurt me to figure out how much men have fallen, that I deny it.
2. I don’t want women to keep their privileges. Or men to keep their non-existent ones.
This is obvious from my posts, so it doesn’t make sense for you to say that.
Anon
No, I’m talking about the biased, compassionate crap.
Me
It’s the facts that are biased in favour of women and you’re the one proving your bias and lack of compassion by denying it. Not to mention the way you say “Excuse me while I cry for you” only proves how insensitive you are to the humanity of men. I hope you will change for the better…
Anon
And what did you say about women? You’re blind to anything that doesn’t benefit you, even in these small instances.
Me
Women have no issues compared to men. I am sympathetic to women who do though. But I’m focusing on a much bigger and large scale problem. You should have some compassion, empathy and you shouldn’t be sexist… if you don’t I promise you won’t get far in life.
Anon
Did you NOT read what Dandeus and many other people wrote? They were facts, they weren’t opinions!
Me
I guess you didn’t read my reply to the girl who plagiarized from him. When you’re talking about the top 0.1% of the population, men have it better. I’ll give you that!!
Anon
0.1%? Right… And the only thing you could reply with was one statistic, that the percentage difference of didn’t even come close to the ones they gave. Not to mention it’s only young and childless women. Then there is the fact that those examples they gave are some of the most important jobs/positions in society, so women are treated unfairly with the highest, most important positions. What does that say to you? … And they weren’t just talking about the highest positions as you said. I notice it in my own job!
Me
Again, we are not talking about the highest, most important positions. 99.9% of the human population does not occupy them.
Society is very feminized and as you can see, the majority of men agree with me. So why do you think they agree? I think you should do your research. That will be all.
Anon
And that’s exactly what I’m saying! You refuse to see the importance of anything or any point, unless it benefits you. Hello? The HIGHEST, MOST IMPORTANT positions! How is that something you just look over? And like I said, it’s the lower positions too, I see it in my own job! Stop ignoring everything that you don’t have an answer for. Yes, that will be all!
Me
Well we’re talking about 99% of society, not 1% who don’t affect our lives at all actually. What affects our lives is the media, the legal system, the education system, the healthcare system, law enforcement… etc etc…
And these are all skewed in favour of women and are blatantly sexist against us. Not only that society’s unwritten rules are also in favour of women, like a woman can say certain things but a man can’t without looking bad or a woman can beat a man in public but the man can’t even defend himself without getting battered by an angry mob.
Feminine values are the gold standard. Male behaviour is demonized, ridiculed and belittled… we are all expect to be like women in terms of our thinking and morals. 1% doesn’t matter to us. 1% hasn’t feminized society, but they have allowed it.
Me
You’re basically saying that you don’t sympathize with 99% of men because 1% of us are in positions of power and not women. You are showing your blatant sexism. While we need to do something for women to get into the top 1% we need to do FAR MORE to help men in the 99%. That’s the point.
Me
Also you are making it seem like politicians and ceos not being women is a bigger issue than the MILLIONS of western men who are being feminized, discriminated against, demoralized and dis-empowered by society.
A few people vs millions of people. Which issue is bigger? The latter by FAR. there’s not even a comparison. This large scale sexism needs to stop because the lives of people ARE WHAT MATTER THE MOST. More than any politician or ceo.
Anon
No, the point is that it’s NOT just the top positions! But, of course, you chose to ignore that completely. Please, like anyone would just be okay with a woman beating a guy up, who is clearly struggling. I don’t know what world you must live in, but where I am, violence is not tolerated, period. Like udolipxie said, there are many things that women are ridiculed for, or are you just blind and deaf? It all goes back to what I said in the beginning, doesn’t it? THERE ARE ABOUT EQUAL ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES OF BEING BOTH MALE AND FEMALE.
Me
The point is that women have it far better in all other positions. HR is 90% female and a lot of them actually discriminate against men.
THERE IS NO EQUALITY in the legal, healthcare system, education systems along with the media, law enforcement etc etc. I have been stating this over and over again so that you wake up to the reality in which we are living.
WOMEN HAVE MORE ADVANTAGES THAN MEN IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF LIFE. Men have absolutely NO advantages.
Fat shaming is done to men.
Slut shaming is done by women, not men. So it’s YOU who needs to sort it out.
Victim blaming and victim shaming is almost non-existant. EVERYBODY is extremely sympathetic to POOR WOMEN and there is literally a JUGGERNAUT of women’s bodies for help and support.There have been many social experiments about WOMEN BEATING MEN and nobody did anything for the beaten man, but literally hounded a man in the reverse. This I and many of us have also seen in our lives including domestic violence.
Anon
You seem to forget that there are jobs that mostly men work on, which are paid more! Fat-shaming is done to EVERYONE, especially women. Why? Because it’s healthy to be normal weight, it has nothing to do with feminism! Slut-shaming is done by everyone too! Like men want a women that has been with hundreds of men… Women have to cover up in certain countries cause of men! You are literally blind, and I am done! Good luck with your issues.
Me
NO SLUT SHAMING IS NOT DONE BY MEN as it is only, or primarily at best, done by women. Fat shaming is done to men just as much if not more. In fact fat women have this bbw thing…
STEM jobs are done by men because WOMEN CHOOSE NOT TO TAKE SCIENCE. But overall women are now earning 1% more than men in their 20s and a small percentage more even in their 30s.
All the low paid, worker class jobs are ALSO DONE BY MEN. Women don’t do the dirty work or the hard work, it seems. And NOBODY WANTS TO CLOSE THE GENDER GAP THERE!! Becayse you are a protected class.
NOBODY WANTS TO CLOSE the reverse wage gap or the reverse education gap. BECAUSE NOBODY CARES ABOUT MEN and are too busy pandering to women… OPENLY DISCRIMINATING AGAINST MEN IN ALL AREAS.
I am only talking about the west, and I do sympathize with women in the East. However don’t forget that men are still working like slaves there, so we need EQUALITY FOR EVERYONE, not just women like in the west.
Me
And thank you, I have no doubt that there will be slight meaningful change in society in the next 10 years. Many men are waking up.
However for now, I’ll need that luck. All I can do is hope and pray is that no woman falsely accuses me. That my prenup doesn’t get thrown out when my future ex starts crying in front of the judge and I don’t lose all my assets. All I can hope is that I never come across another thing belitting to men or discriminatory in my university again or the workplace. Or that I don’t see anything sexist in the media.
Thanks again for your concern!
Anon
Oh, so women were told to cover up because of other women then? It all started with men and their expectations of women. Women choose not to take science because of our conditioning! We’re always told we aren’t as smart or as strong as men. We’re looked down upon when compared to men. Even in marriage, we are and were always seen as second best. There are problems that both genders face and women were not the only ones to create them, in fact, I would guess that men had more to do with it cause they had, and still have more power in positions that create laws and regulations.
Me
Who knows how it started? THE FACT IS that women slut shame each other for whatever reason and that topic has no business being in this question.
THE FACT IS THAT YOU DON’T choose to do science even though you have all the opportunity and everyone is desperate to do close the stem gap. NOBODY HAS CONDITIONED YOU. Nobody has told you that science is something girls don’t do. In fact, girls do better than boys at both math and science in schools. THAT SHOULD CONDITION YOU. But it’s not society’s fault if you just refuse to do those things…
Men are the only ones who are looked down upon and constantly put through s~~~. Women are idolized in every way. Marriage is basically a retirement plan for women. The husband is seen as the demon. The one who is not a man if he doesn’t provide. The one who is not a man if his wife earns more. THE WIFE HAS EVERYBODY’S SYMPATHY.
These men in power have CREATED LAWS TO PROTECT WOMEN AND DISCRIMINATE AGAINST MEN. In virtually every aspect of society
Me
Women are first, right, better and preferred!! Some call this trend “gynocentrism”
Anon
Who knows how it started? Does the fact that women couldn’t even vote say nothing about how it started. It has everything to do with society and the way people are raised and if you don’t know that, then you have serious issues. You never answered about why women had to cover up? Cause it didn’t help your cause. It’s funny how men always use the fact that women initiate divorces more than men as a reason for women using marriage to take a man’s money, when in fact, if someone is initiating a divorce, it mostly means that the other person, the man, did something wrong. And the woman is not a woman if she doesn’t clean and cook and take care of the children. The fact is that my dad may work, but so does my mom. When my dad gets home, he can relax most of the time, and my mom has to do the house chores. What you don’t get is that I’m saying both genders have their problems, I’m not completely disagreeing with you. You’re annoying me because you don’t see the whole picture, you just see…
Anon
… what is wrong for you cause you are selfish. And thank you for admitting it is the men that have the power to make ll of these things happen. This really means that feminism has nothing to do with it. So, women do not now call all the shots, and your question is answered. We are not solely to blame for men’s problems.
Anon
Oh and my mom works too, if I didn’t make that clear.
*all*
Me
Whether or not the men in power-positions allowed this to happen the fact is that society is ALMOST COMPLETELY in favour of women because of the numerous points given above. Women are slowly occupying political positions, and they will be 40-60% very soon. WOMEN CALL THE SHOTS MORALLY in society. Women also call the shots in marriages and even relationships. Women are more trusted and considered to be better. I guarantee you that bitter feminists are THE MAIN REASON that men have issues in today’s world.
Women may not hold political office, but you can make a big change because of the power you hold as a collective. Meanwhile men remain divided.
Also, it’s your parents fault that their marriage is sexist. They have the power to stand their ground and support equality but they don’t.
Anon
So, what? They shouldn’t be 40-60%? I’m sure you would love that. I love how every problem women have is the fault of women to you and every problem that men have is the fault of women. You’re funny. I made my points very clear and I don’t want to go through them again, you’ll just ignore them anyway. I’m not saying my dad never helps out cause he does, but it’s mostly on my mom and it’s not just my parents fault, it’s how people are taught, for obvious reasons. So, the man having to make more money is not the fault of individual families being sexist, but this is? Why don’t you say for that that they can stand their ground and make it more equal? Do you see how you change your view based on who you’re talking about, I swear you have got to the most biased person I have ever encountered. Even more than my brother, if that’s possible. The reason women are making a change is because they have more to complain about. You still answered your own question whether you choose to see it or not
Me
It would be a good thing! You’re assuming I’m sexist, which is crazy. Every problem in the world? Okay now you’re being absurd. You’re reading too much into me and wrongly doing all sorts of psycho analyses.
But yeah, the reason women are making a change is because everybody listens to you and nobody gives a f~~~ about men. We are not even allowed to speak up… just suck it up like bitches…
Me
Women have virtually no problems when compared to men. Men are even raped more than women
Anon
Okay, not every problem. Just 99.9% of men’s problems. :-p I don’t know what to assume. All I see is that you’re very biased and only care about problems that pertain to you. And your updates are very sexist, so can you blame me? If you just suck it up, that’s your own problem. No one is going to stand up for you unless things are very bad, that’s just the way people are. And the only way people are going to listen is if you make them listen. Do you think people wanted to listen to women back then, or black people? Of course not, so it has nothing to do with people listening to women. If people listened to women, we would have never gone throuh the things we did in the first place. Men do not have as many problems as you make it seem, there have been much worse, but you guys have some and I gladly encourage you to stand up for them. Men are mostly raped by other men, so I’m going to say what you said about slut-shaming. That it doesn’t belong in this thread. :-p
Anon
Anyway, we should end this conversation cause it’s been going on for far too long, yet going nowhere.
Me
People suddenly started listening to women, which is why we’re in the mess today. Men became demons during the same time who must be blamed, ridiculed and put down.
The men who have allowed this are to blame for these problems. Their lack of foresight. AND they also stem from the fact that women’s privileges were not taken away, only mens. Women are the main driving force of these problems though… most of you want special treatment AND equal rights. Who wouldn’t? lol. It’s going to take some effort to overthrow the gynocracy.
Me
I was only saying it because you’re saying “women have issues too” but the most grave issue women have is rape, but even that is nothing compared to men’s rape. THAT”S THE POINT. Women’s issues are small in number and nothing compared to the issues of a modern man.
Change is slow, and I think men are doing a great job now. Our voice is slowly but surely being heard. But people resist change and most women want to oppress men while keeping all the benefits, power and privileges.
MEN DO HAVE AS MANY PROBLEMS AS I”M SAYING it’s just that we’re not allowed to say anything outside the internet because we are demons. Only angels can speak. lol.
Me
You’re right that this is going nowhere. You will never convince me, but I will slowly and surely convince you and the rest of humanity. The truth is on my side..
I did not read the whole thing, so I cannot comment with certainty:
You were on the defensive and allowed the female to shift the goalposts. When one makes a point, one must sink one’s teeth in to it and not allow the opponent to change the subject.
The argumentum ad populum at the end there is typical female “logic”.
Frankly, you wasted your time; there is nothing to be gained from discussing these matters with them. I would just as soon leave them to stew in their own menstrual blood.
Anon
I have done my own research and it does not go along with your little theories at all,
At this point you should have cut her off and called her out as a liar. Something like: “Bulls~~~. You are a f~~~ing liar if you say that, because the facts are not on your side here. At best you have heard the oft repeated self serving opinions and lies of a whole lot of other ignorant women, but I’m sorry cupcake, that’s not actually research. It’s an opinion survey. At best. So unless you have some actual facts and numbers, with valid source citations, to bring to this discussion, and not just your worthless opinions based on your bulls~~~ self acclaimed so-called research, you are done here.”
I did not read the whole thing, so I cannot comment with certainty: You were on the defensive and allowed the female to shift the goalposts. When one makes a point, one must sink one’s teeth in to it and not allow the opponent to change the subject. The argumentum ad populum at the end there is typical female “logic”. Frankly, you wasted your time; there is nothing to be gained from discussing these matters with them. I would just as soon leave them to stew in their own menstrual blood.
Where’s the ad populum? You’re absolutely right. She attacked me from all sides and I just took it like a bitch. If you ever get the time to read this can you point out where she shifted the goalposts please?
You were letting her take control of the conversation, is what happened, keep on the main topic, don’t let them switch it, if they try confront, you raise your voice along with theirs, keep it logical and explaining them, even if you have to explain it with a raised voice.
Been into plenty of debates in these, they ALWAYS move to another subject, the second their argument in the main topic is falling apart, have no mercy. And don’t let them shut down the conversation, on their terms, when they are losing on all grounds, you need to finish it, like a hammer and a nail, don’t let it stick out, hammer it down, so the surface is all smooth.
Or, you could have kept it simple, precise, and ended it early, but again takes you take control of the conversation and keep fighting for it, she will continue to try interrupt, don’t let her.
And be sure to tell and prove her, she’s lying, when you catch her in one. And keep hammering down on it, and return to that lying point, when she tries to conjure another bulls~~~. Even if she starts crying, have had that happen to me a few times, just keep your stance, stay clam and be strict about it, this is your time to lecture her and explain stuff, so if there’s a third party, you’ll come out as not only the victor but as a fair person who teach others on their faults, but most you’ll get told you are too strict, don’t care.
Frankly, you wasted your time; there is nothing to be gained from discussing these matters with them.
Women do this for conflict(drama), attention, and s~~~-testing.
Just smile and walk away.
You were letting her take control of the conversation, is what happened, keep on the main topic, don’t let them switch it, if they try confront, you raise your voice along with theirs, keep it logical and explaining them, even if you have to explain it with a raised voice. Been into plenty of debates in these, they ALWAYS move to another subject, the second their argument in the main topic is falling apart, have no mercy. And don’t let them shut down the conversation, on their terms, when they are losing on all grounds, you need to finish it, like a hammer and a nail, don’t let it stick out, hammer it down, so the surface is all smooth. Or, you could have kept it simple, precise, and ended it early, but again takes you take control of the conversation and keep fighting for it, she will continue to try interrupt, don’t let her. And be sure to tell and prove her, she’s lying, when you catch her in one. And keep hammering down on it, and return to that lying point, when she tries to conjure another bulls~~~. Even if she starts crying, have had that happen to me a few times, just keep your stance, stay clam and be strict about it, this is your time to lecture her and explain stuff, so if there’s a third party, you’ll come out as not only the victor but as a fair person who teach others on their faults, but most you’ll get told you are too strict, don’t care.
But she makes it seem as if it’s connected to the main topic, which it is really. How do I not be manipulated to think this? And how can I end it properly and early??
She’ll be like you’re not smart enough to understand the connection. And to be fair, they do make good connections. I get p~~~ed once I realized how far things have gone and I’m sucked into that bulls~~~ with no escape with emotional peace in sight.
Even if she starts crying
The moment she starts crying call her out on that as well, because that’s something that only two year olds, and women, do: “Now you’re crying? Oh please. You tried to lie. You got caught. You lost the argument. And now, like a toddler, you’re crying about it in some pathetic attempt to avoid responsibility for your lies and failure. Grow up.”
If it was an argument over some feminist bulls~~~ I’ll generally add something like: “Why do so-called strong independent feminist women always cry whenever they don’t get what they want? It’s pathetic.”
Anonymous11@op: Your post was too long to process.
I’ve been told told by women that they hated the fact they could never win an argument with me. I attribute it to three things:
1) I don’t give a f~~~.
2) Logic wins every time.
3) They use tactics like bullying and shaming that just do not work with me.Yes, they tended to irrationally attack me afterwards. I was perplexed until I asked a former girlfriend why she treated me that way, and she told me the truth from the female perspective. All I can say is FUBAR, but she is my only female friend so I thank her for letting me in on how they really think.
Self centered to the maximum is the only way to describe it.
@CP +1 for you bro! WINNING!
@Burgandy LULZ! Love that Sir Issac Newton meme! +1 for you too sir!
1.) Don’t waste your time arguing logic with a woman. It’s like Carl Lewis challenging a paraplegic to a foot race. You’d get further debating the merits of quantum theory with a retarded butt monkey.
2.) Don’t waste your time arguing with an idiot. As the old saying goes, “They will just beat you with experience”.
HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...You can’t win an argument with women. Even if you actually do win the argument, they won’t change their mind or accept the logic. Its a total waste of time. There is only one real way to win and that is don’t get sucked in. Just don’t go there. Many times they are just trying to pull your chain. Just say “Oh! Yeah! Never thought of that. Turn around and walk away.” What have they won? Nothing. That p~~~es them off even more and you win.
You can’t win an argument with women.
Sure you can. When she loses her temper or starts screaming or or starts insulting or starts crying or runs away in the face of your implacable logic and reason, well that sure sounds like victory to me.
Sure you might not change her mind, but who the hell cares what a woman (for want of a better word) “thinks”? You’ve let her make an idiot of herself to any audience, and that’s what you should really be after.
Anonymous11You’d get further debating the merits of quantum theory with a retarded butt monkey.
That pretty much sums it up there Soul Man.
No matter what tactic you use. Walking away or using their twisted circular logic as a weapon against them like I love to do. Whenever you leaving them screaming and irrational that is the smell of victory. Arguing with a woman is like a cat toying with a mouse. All of that screaming they do is nothing but a bluff anyway.
Yes, you can easily win an argument with a woman. As long as you have the stones to put up with the s~~~ storm, it’s exactly like working with a retarded butt monkey. It’s so easy to win one that even a mangina could do it if he even halfway tried. As if that would ever happen.
Of course, even after you win they will inevitably come up with something else just as stupid so it’s just like being on a hamster wheel. Yet another reason to be MGTOW.
Welcome to the doctor’s office.
You won an argument with a woman, but still feel like s~~~ because…
Women are nasty, evil, foul creatures that lack logic, common sense, and feel like they have to resort to petty insults just to prove their point, or their point is never proven. They pretty much suck all the fun and intelligence out of the room in a debate. You tried to debate with common, gutter trash. Hell, it’s like being with a DEMENTOR from the Harry Potter series(those wisps of demon ghosts that suck away all happiness and good thoughts around them). The longer you’re around them, the more your soul feels like it’s being stomped on or sucked out.
Keep your debates to a minimum, or just stop contacting them, take two Red Pills, and call me in the morning.
A Sign that its over.
When a man stops arguing with a woman, believe me ladies, it’s a clear sign that his relationship with you is almost over. He’ll simply state his position and that’s it. He feels it’s a waste of time and effort in maintaining his position in the relationship by arguing his point. It would be easier to leave.
Where women may view the day-to-day squabbling between a husband and wife as part of the marriage, he doesn’t. The sign that he’s had enough and ready to abandon the relationship is signalled by a shrug of the shoulders or a raised eyebrow. At the most he may respond with “Ok, Whatever” as a way to end the strife.
At first he perceives it as nagging. But each fight, each argument, and each round of bickering is registered in the back of his mind. Underneath he’s desperately looking for an escape. He spends more time alone, or with his buddies where he may meet someone with whom he doesn’t fight. It should be a clear signal to his wife that he has had enough and is ready to leave, when he stops arguing.
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I don’t think you know the seriousness of what has happened.
Anon