I was told I should explore MGTOW…

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

Why am I even here ? I never considered myself to be an MRA or anything like that, but I certainly never, ever fell for that whole “spend money to ‘impress her’ / spend money to marry her / spend money to escape her” claptrap. That could be why a friend urged me to investigate MGTOW.

I am now closer to 50 than I am to 40, but never have been married or even fully shacked up (names on leases, etc). And I am constantly asked why I haven’t. And when I explain myself, some people get it, some people don’t, some people can figure it out and some people never will.

I never had any intention of getting married since I was in my teens, simply because I could look, listen and think. I watched a number of “family guys” in the 1980’s get crushed and financially ruined from divorces, child custody battles and sometimes fabricated accusations. I had a big “Tough Guy” of an uncle start crying that “he didn’t want to be lonely” because he no longer had the b~~~~ to leave an abusive wife. I listened as a really fun lesbian cousin sat me down over beer, shots and pretzels and spent nights warning me in my teens about “s~~~ women did” to men that really p~~~ed her off- and how to avoid some of the pitfalls. It took only a little time for life and experience to confirm what I was suspecting:

Why on earth would a fully sane man put himself in the position to have to ask their State government or a County judge to let him leave a failed, fraudulent or abusive relationship ?

How does living with me entitle you to money at the end of the relationship ?

If being a woman does not entitle me to demand you “give me children”, then how does me being a man entitle women to demand “give me children” ?

Even common sense tells you that anything with the reliability of a coin toss is unreliable. With Traditional Marriage, the 50% failure rate is ignored or explained away, even by people who know better.

By the time I was 16 going on 17, I knew I was dealing with a rigged game. Traditional Marriage is a rigged game, corrupt to the very core. It cannot be “fixed” or “reformed”, but bypassed until it is totally replaced.

“Traditional Marriage” is worse than broken, it has degenerated into a fully functional trap.

I often get asked, “Don’t you regret not getting married, settling down and having children ?” Before I respond, I have to stop and remind myself that the average person has never given any real thought to it.

But the answer is no, I do not regret it in the slightest. They think that every year as I grow older I would feel that “time was running out” or some nonsense like that. They can’t think about how every year my married peers have far fewer choices and far less freedom that men like me. I’ve known poor saps who can’t even choose of what brand of toilet paper to wipe their butts with !

To those men who are taking the time to warn other men off from buying a “ball and chain” to lock themselves down with: keep it up, it’s working.

I know it worked for me ! I owe the people who warned me off a huge debt I can never repay.

Frank V.

[UntamedParticipant]

Welcome! I thank whoever tipped you.
RedpilBible Well said!

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Thank you for your intro! Welcome to MGTOW and the forums.

Frank V. wrote:

I often get asked, “Don’t you regret not getting married, settling down and having children ?” Before I respond, I have to stop and remind myself that the average person has never given any real thought to it.

The way I respond to that now is “How do you know I don’t have kids?? Even I can’t be completely sure”.

It usually takes a woman at least 10 seconds to process that. Like she never thought about it before. What the f~~~ kind of a question is “don’t you regret NOT__________”??? Just look at the amount of projection in that question. Projecting her own regrets and insecurities on a man as if it’s the highest pinnacle of success that a man can achieve.

“That’s YOUR dream honey. I prefer to aim higher in life. Do you mind?”.

…… then watch her tiny brain explode.

An ex girlfriend (someone else’s wife now) – whom I hadn’t seen or spoken to in at least 7 years – said that in an email. “You should really have a kid”. Not only is it unbelievably arrogant of her to say “you should” like she knows what’s better for me than I do……. but I realized from across the internet that she never even spent 30 seconds in a room by herself to formulate a simple thought about that. What a thoughtless thing to say. Especially considering she knew I didn’t want kids for the nearly 3 years I was with her(!!). We made sure she took her pills and said I DONT WANT KIDS. I even bought and paid for her pills. And she writes and tells me I SHOULD have a kid 7 years later?

I wanted to respond with “aside from surrogacy men don’t *choose* to have children – or not have children”…. but I decided to have a little more fun with this.

“How do you know I don’t?? Even I can’t be completely sure. After all…. it’s still legal in this country for a woman to allow herself to get pregnant without a man’s consent. Did you decide your husband SHOULD too? Or did you just say “oops??”

It must have thrown her against the wall because there was no reply whatsoever. That’s how I know that’s exactly what she did. She got together with her Mom and friends and conspired and decided behind his back “he just needs a little push!! He just needs a little push.”.
/audio/women-lie-to-get-pregnant/

…. and then she writes to an EX 7 years later and says he SHOULD?
Well if she decided I should, then she definitely decided he should too.

Treat your husband like a sperm donor honey. I’m not your husband. I don’t HAVE to do what you think I “should” do.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Biggvs_DickvsParticipant 3725]

Definitely worth exploring. I came here much as you did and ended up hanging around. There’s a lot of truth and hard fact about the male-female relationship here, and the great benefits of having a lack thereof.

I felt like I was going crazy for a long time because I could see all this injustice being done to men, could see us being treated in so many ways as second class citizens, could see how the bad behavior of a very few individuals in positions of power were being blamed on the male population as a whole. I could even see that those “bad apples of power” were often put there in part, if not in large part, by the choices of women.

You’re not alone.

Women have turned a fairly symbiotic relationship of exchanged surpluses and division of labor into a f~~~ing travesty. And a fraudulent one at that.

Come join our community of like minded men – it sounds like you’re already in the club.

"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

Frank V. wrote:

I know it worked for me ! I owe the people who warned me off a huge debt I can never repay.

Welcome Frank!
We are indeed trying to warn men by sharing our stories. What you could do, is show them the other side. Share some stories of what life can be if they avoid our mistakes and live without getting married or in a LTR, like you.
You see, it’s one thing to know what NOT to do, and another to see examples of what to do.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

A lot of guys would like to be you right now.

… and I know very well where you are coming from, because in a lot of ways I am very similar. From my mid teenage years I became a bit of a general rebel questioning loads of things including this very issue… … and never looked back doing so, just as if I knew mgtow was bound to become a thing by now.

Anyway, welcome Frank V.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[Anonymous 42]

Frank V. wrote:

I often get asked, “Don’t you regret not getting married, settling down and having children ?”

Why don’t they ask; “don’t you regret missing out on divorce, child custody, and being criminalized?
Don’t you regret slaving for 60 to 70 hours a week to keep butter cup happy, only to find her buttering someone els’s cup?
Don’t you regret the arguing and fighting over the most trivial of meaningless and mindless arguments a human being can make?
Don’t you miss the fact that your life’s not your own, that another person now has dominion over you with all the force of law to back her up?
It’s not “holy” matrimony in any sense of the word, it’s Governmental matrimony in all reality, where a man becomes the beast of burden for the destructive whims of a woman, it’s manslaughter by it’s very nature…..
Marriage… Yea….. Just drill a hole in my head and pour in some acid, I’ll be just fine!

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

Why don’t they ask; “don’t you regret missing out on divorce, child custody, and being criminalized? – I will
Don’t you regret slaving for 60 to 70 hours a week to keep butter cup happy, only to find her buttering someone els’s cup? – I do
Don’t you regret the arguing and fighting over the most trivial of meaningless and mindless arguments a human being can make? – I do
Don’t you miss the fact that your life’s not your own, that another person now has dominion over you with all the force of law to back her up? – I do

Very good points Tower.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

Why don’t they ask; “don’t you regret missing out on divorce, child custody, and being criminalized?

AY!! that’s the question!!

“Don’t you regret not getting married, settling down and having children ?”

“NO. I do NOT regret missing out on divorce, child custody, and being criminalized, thankyouverymuch.”

That’s my new stock response. Thanks Tower.

The words “getting married” should be forbidden. Not because “censorship”, but because all these people see is a white dress and cake with white frosting. They are obsessed with the idea of it. Every person who uses the words “getting married” should be shamed into changing to “signing a marriage contract”. De- romanticize that s~~~ right in front of them.

Just rip that stupid bouquet out of her mind and stomp on it.
“Oppress a woman? Are you kidding? I would much rather buy her a cat.”

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Welcome!

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 42]

Keymaster wrote:

That’s my new stock response. Thanks Tower.

You’re welcome KeyMaster, it comes from the heart, I’ve been free to roam the fields of my life while I’ve seen others gathered for the slaughter of marriage to a modern woman, like clockwork I’ve seen one man after another become indirect wards of the state. They are the beasts of burden harnessed to the new paradigm of family, a modern family where the man shares the same rights and privileges as the dog, but only when he obeys as ordered. FT!

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

John Woods 13 wrote:

Frank V. wrote:

I know it worked for me ! I owe the people who warned me off a huge debt I can never repay.

Welcome Frank!We are indeed trying to warn men by sharing our stories. What you could do, is show them the other side. Share some stories of what life can be if they avoid our mistakes and live without getting married or in a LTR, like you.You see, it’s one thing to know what NOT to do, and another to see examples of what to do.

That is a good suggestion. Often, in sales or explaining certain challenging things to clients, a “compare and contrast” can help. Balance can be a wonderful thing- especially when those damn weights come off a brand new tire !

Frank V.

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

There are the answers I had to struggle not to give over the many years now:

I regret not having a wonderful, loving wife who brings home a case of the “clap”, like yours did.
I really wish I had someone else’s brat to raise and pay for.
Wow, it must be wonderful to have such a sweet woman tell her friends every secret you ever had.
Must be nice having no idea where she has put a single penny of your money !
She must be such a joy to be married to- is that why you seek to get out of the house any chance you get ?
In exchange for “security”, I get the ability to tell her to shape up or ship out. And I don’t need an expensive piece of paper to do it. The courts don’t decide, I do.

Amazing some of the whipped men I have met. They think they are “secure”, but that is only as long as she decides.

Frank V.

[BigvernParticipant 1983]

“To those men who are taking the time to warn other men off from buying a “ball and chain” to lock themselves down with: keep it up, it’s working.
I know it worked for me ! I owe the people who warned me off a huge debt I can never repay.
Frank V.”

Great quote Frank and welcome, this is the reason us older mgtow are here, not just to have a moan etc, but to warn young men about what is in store for them after that marriage ceremony.
And yes IT IS WORKING too, once again, Hello Frank!

"What made you think, there'd be a livin' in sheep?, Eat, Work, Eat Work and Sleep" - Mark Knopfler.

[HitmanParticipant]

welcome frank ! on this one page alone there’s alot of insight and wisdom ..look forward to more as always !

[RedDawnParticipant 1391]

It’s gambling. Playing on people’s fantasies (love) to make stupid decisions, such as marriage. I’ve learned not to gamble what I can’t afford to lose, though I had to get burned at the figurative roulette table to learn this (luckily I didn’t lose much relative to most other men).

Welcome brother.

Courage is the key to life itself - Morgan Freeman

[Anonymous 29]

Excellent read Frank. welcome.

[Darth SinParticipant 576]

Most humans are but primitives running on autopilot. You, Frank, like the rest of us here, decided to instead be more and as a result ended up here.

Since you are new to MGTOW, I would suggest you to look at materials from Barbarossa, Stardusk, CS MGTOW and Spestnaz. I mean there are a lot more than these 4 but they are the top choices for educating oneself in MGTOW concepts.

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

Darth Sin wrote:

Most humans are but primitives running on autopilot. You, Frank, like the rest of us here, decided to instead be more and as a result ended up here.
Since you are new to MGTOW, I would suggest you to look at materials from Barbarossa, Stardusk, CS MGTOW and Spestnaz. I mean there are a lot more than these 4 but they are the top choices for educating oneself in MGTOW concepts.

That is a very important point that often gets overlooked. Even worse than some types of “bad choices” are going through life not even thinking about making a choice at all.

Frank V.

[BDParticipant 1146]

Frank V. wrote:

I often get asked, “Don’t you regret not getting married, settling down and having children ?” Before I respond, I have to stop and remind myself that the average person has never given any real thought to it.

But the answer is no, I do not regret it in the slightest.

Welcome Frank V, your lesbian cousin taught you well. I agree that the average person has never given any real thought to it.

I simply answer No to any marriage question. If they push for an explanation then I will give them one, but I am not concerned with convincing them of the value of my decision, just as I am not concerned about what they do with themselves. Only my true close friends get the straight goods or any full explanation.

A great quote I read “I stopped explaining myself when I realized that people only understand from their level of perception.”

I am definitely not telling anyone what to do, this is just how I currently feel about this question when asked. I live my life and I do not need to explain the details to anyone but myself.

I do like how KeyMaster refers to marriage as “signing a marriage contract”. His line definitely raises the eyebrows when I have had to use it.

Best of luck and enjoy your journey Frank V.

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