I think I have run into a White Knight MGTOW. Explanation inside.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I will present you a case of someone I know, that, when it comes to dating and marriage seems to be a prototypical MGTOW.  He deals with women on his terms in regards to dating.  He even posted on his Facebook wall how he would go celibate with this.  I am thinking MGTOW all the way.

Now here is the kicker:  He got all over my case for not supporting breast cancer awareness and not caring about the issue at all.  He was all rah rah in supportive of Jenner in the news, relating to Jenner as “courageous”, and a whole lot more.  He also managed to kick people off his friend list over the shooting and fires in Churches down south.  I would say a strong SJW streak there.   If not SJW, I see a White Knight streak in this, regarding women’s issues.  On Facebook, I had made mention for him to look into MGTOW, and he didn’t reply.

So, whatever is or is not MGTOW, I guess can depend on what one thinks about it.  Who am I to say anything here about him?  But, I figured I would discuss it.  I think there is now a period of searching for what MGTOW means, with the influx of more men under the MGTOW label adding his two cents.

On another note, someone else I know, he is still in a NAWALT stage, but he has given up on most women.  So, NAWALT can be considered a step.  He is holding out for the right woman, but isn’t going to go to women for validation. I told him to look into MGTOW.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[BigDParticipant 3024]

I wonder if most Black Knights were White Knights at one time, but let their Armor Tarnish as they took care of what was really necessary.

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Thinking of it, it might be closer to a PUA, who has grown increasingly apathetic to things.  He will stick to the game, and if the game isn’t working, go into a dry season.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[SMADParticipant 651]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

He got all over my case for not supporting breast cancer awareness and not caring about the issue at all.  He was all rah rah in supportive of Jenner in the news, relating to Jenner as “courageous”, and a whole lot more.  He also managed to kick people off his friend list over the shooting and fires in Churches down south.  I would say a strong SJW streak there.   If not SJW, I see a White Knight streak in this, regarding women’s issues.

I personally disagree here with the “White Knight” label – for a start, it takes courage to publicly support something, especially controversial issues.  I don’t care if people worship an overlord hippopotamus or are champion basket weavers – if they have a passion for something then good on them for having the MORAL courage to stand up for their beliefs and to do what makes them happy.  The content of that belief, however, is of course judged and scrutinised case by case (at least on my part.)  Anyone who stands up for their belief system has my respect, but the content of the belief itself can, of course, be met with raised eyebrows.

Also – breast cancer can also affect men seeing as we have pectoral / breast like body tissue (I am not a biologist so I am open for correction here!)

Not everyone is ready to go MGTOW and trying to “force” people into something that they aren’t ready for will meet resistance.  It is for them to “find their own way” and it is for us to be there when (and if) they choose to take on board MGTOW philosophy.

And also, the whole “going your own way” – perhaps for him that is his “going his own way” – every MGTOW is different.  Some are more towards Tradon beliefs, some are Dating MGTOW, some have a sworn vengeance against females of the species.

If attempts are made to “enforce” a way of living on to someone else, then that doesn’t sound much different from what radical feminists / dictators / other individuals in history try and have tried to do.

Marriage?  No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I had a hard time coming up with the right label next to MGTOW, to try to explain this, so I reached for “White Knight”.  SJW might of been a bit better, or even progressive.  As more men get connect with the MGTOW label, their lives are going to end up causing a very wide range of diverse opinions that will be looked down upon by some others who use the MGTOW label.  I am seeing one split line between focusing on the nature of women, vs developing an identity independent of thinking about the nature of women.  I happen to be in the later, as I don’t believe a man needs a ton of reasoning to go MGTOW.  If going your own way works for you, just go, and say things didn’t work for you, and not bother with fixating on the nature of women.  However, there are others who feel a need to fixate, so I am not going to get in their way.

What I can see happen though, is that some who have the MGTOW label get uncomfortable with what others using the MGTOW label do, and they want more uniformity in thought so the label won’t cause them shame.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous 25]

I see the pattern again rather than getting caught up in content. raising money for breast cancer is probably triggering the protection mechanism in him. hence the difference in approach to dating. I can’t say for certain as I don’t know him, but that’s my educated guess.

[Oaken1Participant 67]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

I will present you a case of someone I know, that, when it comes to dating and marriage seems to be a prototypical MGTOW. He deals with women on his terms in regards to dating. He even posted on his Facebook wall how he would go celibate with this. I am thinking MGTOW all the way. Now here is the kicker: He got all over my case for not supporting breast cancer awareness and not caring about the issue at all. He was all rah rah in supportive of Jenner in the news, relating to Jenner as “courageous”, and a whole lot more. He also managed to kick people off his friend list over the shooting and fires in Churches down south. I would say a strong SJW streak there. If not SJW, I see a White Knight streak in this, regarding women’s issues. On Facebook, I had made mention for him to look into MGTOW, and he didn’t reply. So, whatever is or is not MGTOW, I guess can depend on what one thinks about it. Who am I to say anything here about him? But, I figured I would discuss it. I think there is now a period of searching for what MGTOW means, with the influx of more men under the MGTOW label adding his two cents. On another note, someone else I know, he is still in a NAWALT stage, but he has given up on most women. So, NAWALT can be considered a step. He is holding out for the right woman, but isn’t going to go to women for validation. I told him to look into MGTOW.

 

 

Your buddy is a flaming liberal…no cure for it, sorry…should have him put down.

[Anonymous 1]

Oaken1 wrote:

Your buddy is a flaming liberal…no cure for it, sorry…should have him put down.

Nah, I have nothing against liberals. In fact, I believe falling in this right vs left, liberals vs conservatives dichotomy is a trap. Both can, and are, gynocentric, with women receiving all the benefits of men’s work. Different approaches for the same goal.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Anonymous wrote:

I see the pattern again rather than getting caught up in content. raising money for breast cancer is probably triggering the protection mechanism in him. hence the difference in approach to dating. I can’t say for certain as I don’t know him, but that’s my educated guess.

Anonymous wrote:

I see the pattern again rather than getting caught up in content. raising money for breast cancer is probably triggering the protection mechanism in him. hence the difference in approach to dating. I can’t say for certain as I don’t know him, but that’s my educated guess.

If it was the just the breast cancer thing, that is one thing.  He had a family member who had it, so it was important.  It is just the ton of other things he is doing, that fall under the progressive/SJW that I see as making it harder to nail down what is “MGTOW” or not.  There will be projecting onto MGTOW what it is, and whatnot.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[MantelarParticipant 77]

random fact about liberal vs conservative dichotomy.  there isn’t really one.  our terminology is twisted to the point of being meaningless.  a better way of thinking about political leanings is a pallette.  individual – collective and anarchist – statist.  in technical terms, idividual/anarchist = anarchist, individual/statist = capitalist, collective/anarchist = socialist, and collective/statist is state capitalist.  the republican party in this country currently attracts anarchists and capitalists – those who view the individual as the basic unit of humanity.  democrats attract socialists and state capitalists – those who view the collective as the basic unit of humanity.  what both parties emphasize heavily however is the primacy of the state – the GOP is largely capitalist and the democrates are largely state capitalist.  and this is huge because it means in the end they are authoritarian and are ultimately willing to kill those who disagree with them and refuse to submit to their authority.

the f~~~ed up part about all of this is because our terminology is so scewed, people often don’t know where they stand.  but if you read and think about what i wrote above, certain things start making sense.  like why rand paul and ron paul are hated by the GOP establishment…its because they are not capitalists.  they are largely anarchists – or ‘liberal’ in the classical sense.  or why the democratic party pretty much failed completely to leverage the occupy movement.  those protesters were largely socialists who don’t realize it and were unable to conceive of a world where solutions could spring forth from anything other than the state.  ah well.  rant over.

your friend just sounds like he’s on hiatus.  the causes he’s championing are peripherally related to and in conflict with MGTOW…but i doubt he’s read atlas shrugged or knows about objectivism as a philosophy.  he may have even been actively discouraged from reading on the topic – that happens a lot in college these days i hear…universities more and more being places of the new religion more so than learning.  if you don’t understand objectivism and perhaps agree with many if not most of its tenants, you’re probably not going to agree with MGTOW.  most objectivists and like thinking people are going to think much of the media frenzy surrounding bruce jenner.  sure, the guy should be left alone to dress how he likes and even clip off his c~~~ so long as he pays for it on its own…but any free thinking person will see the media frenzy and overwhelming public support for his actions as little more than a political farce, meant for consumption by the part of the population with double digit IQ.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Well, if this is going into left vs right, then I will give the Nolan chart:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart

It comes out of Libertarianism, and actually works pretty well.

You can take a quiz based on it here, I believe (unless they changed it):

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz/quiz.php

I also have my own take on things, that works different, out of internal motivations.

 

And the guy I mentioned I am not a friend to, or really know now.  I used to work with him.  He went his own way, and doesn’t even answer messages I sent him, so he is now just an example I used.

 

In regards to Objectivism, I did read a book on it and study some of Rand’s writings, and so on. I think I understand it.  For myself, I have issues with it, because it can’t handle the subjective and the world is increasingly becoming subjective, and subjective whims driving the economy and survival.  I would take an Objectivist route to MGTOW to do an indepth study of cost-analysis of MGTOW, looking at the nature of women, and trying to objectively show that MGTOW is the best possible path for men to follow.  A subjective approach is that, I go that I hate certain things in life, for subjective reasons, and from experience and my ideals, see it doesn’t work, so I just go my own way out of personal preference and don’t need to justify it for anyone.  I also don’t need them to justify their preferences.  It is akin to Objectivism, but easier to do, and requires less thought, and trying to rationalize what is subjective any way.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[sidecarParticipant 35862]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

Now here is the kicker: He got all over my case for not supporting breast cancer awareness and not caring about the issue at all.

So give him the comparison between breast cancer incident and fatality rates versus prostate cancer incident and fatality rates and then tell him about the massive disparity in funding between the two.

If he’s determined to be a Social Justice Warrior at least introduce him to causes that are worth fighting for.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

sidecar wrote:

richardhutnik wrote:

Now here is the kicker: He got all over my case for not supporting breast cancer awareness and not caring about the issue at all.

So give him the comparison between breast cancer incident and fatality rates versus prostate cancer incident and fatality rates and then tell him about the massive disparity in funding between the two. If he’s determined to be a Social Justice Warrior at least introduce him to causes that are worth fighting for.

I think he has interest in issues involving almost everyone except himself.  Anyhow, I have no idea where he is going now.  He is no longer on my friend list, so my wall should be free of whatever ramblings he has.  You repeatedly ignore messages I send you, it is obvious you don’t care to give me the time of day, which is a very basic thing about even remotely being a friend.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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