I Really Don't Get You Guys…

[ApplejackSpectator 235]

Once you realize what women are like, WHY THE F~~~ do you guys actually still have sex with them?  I mean, really.  All you have to do is a cost/benefit/risk analysis and you’ll find out really fast that it isn’t worth it.  I’ve always been a very logical person, so I’ll break it down for you guys nice and simple.

Cost (monetary):  At the very least a few dates.  Including driving and your time, you’re looking at about $300

Cost (time):  Seriously.  You have to deal with the bitches BS 99% of the time you’re with her and only get to f~~~ her 1% of the time.  And bitches take up a LOT of valuable time.  Time you could be using to make money or otherwise improve yourself.

Cost (effort):  It’s a LOT of effort to keep a woman interested.  To buy her s~~~, keep taking her out, cater to her, basically buy your way into her pants with a whole lot of bulls~~~ and money.  I mean seriously.  I wouldn’t even walk out to my car to get laid.  It just isn’t worth it.

Risk (pregnancy):  If you knock her up, it’s slavery for at least 18 years and a minimum of $250,000 not including child support.  Just think about that.  A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS (the cost to raise a child)!!!  Not to mention that she’ll try to rope you into marriage, which costs a lot more money.

Risk (STD’s):  Have you ever done any research on STD’s?  Those f~~~ers are NASTY!  Some are actually incurable.  This means you have to deal with this for THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!

Reward (pleasure):  Ah.  And here we get to the reward for all of your trouble.  All that money that you’ve spent and risk that you’ve taken has all lead to this one moment.  This one moment of bliss.  A feeling that you could have gotten with nothing but your hand and your laptop and a LOT less effort.  Honestly, you’re probably better at pleasing yourself then letting some stranger do it for you.

 

And there we have it.  A clear, concise cost/benefit/risk analysis.  Does it really make sense to you guys to do this?  I mean seriously.  I can’t handle the lack of logic in this situation.  Before porn was readily available and women were at least interesting to talk to (like maybe back in the 1850’s or something) I can see why men pursued women.  But now?  It makes absolutely no sense at all.  I understand that nobody’s perfect and that we all have urges.  But are we that much of a slave to our animal breeding instincts that we take such enormous risks and put out so much money and effort just to spread our seed?  I personally have never succumbed to these impulses as the risks and costs never made any sense to me.  But I really want to know.  Have none of you actually thought about this before or are you just so f~~~ing horny it doesn’t even matter to you?

I seriously mean no offense to anyone that’s reading this.  I just don’t freaking understand.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Cost (hooker grade A) $300-$500 US

Cost (pleasure) 100%

Cost (Time) 1-2 hours

Cost (BS) Zero

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[ApplejackSpectator 235]

@iliveagain:  There’s still the risk of pregnancy, STD’s, and hundreds of dollars in cost.  All for something you can do yourself.  Sure it’s a better deal than a relationship or even a fling.  But not by much.

[ClintParticipant 331]

I haven’t heard anyone promote relationships on this website, so I’m not sure who you are even addressing with this post. Also, I’ll ignore the condescending tone of the post in general.

Everyone on this forum knows enough to know the risks, and they are going THEIR OWN WAY. You trying to shame men for wanting to get laid is going against what MGTOW really stands for.

"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you into something else is the greatest accomplishment." -Ralph Waldo Emerson

[AttonParticipant]

I am going to go with the theory stardusk put forward, that would be the lizard brain. Humans are often irrational sometimes feelings take over, some people are better at dealing with this than others. For example the urge to masturbate does not come from the part of the mind that reasons. No one thinks “Hey time to give myself a tug because I’ve debated in my mind it is a good idea.” It’s more of an animal kind of thing like an impulse not a careful thought out plan.
Just my ideas on it.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Applejack wrote:

@iliveagain: There’s still the risk of pregnancy, STD’s, and hundreds of dollars in cost. All for something you can do yourself. Sure it’s a better deal than a relationship or even a fling. But not by much.

No …. lets call them escorts …. in their right mind gets pregnant. A huge loss of income would follow.

Most … that I know .. are between 20 – 30. Approx half I know are doing degrees or masters. These are not stupid girls.

As for STDs, each time we meet the first thing they do is show an all clear medical.

I must add that I also use them as companions for company events and therefore have a mutual trust.

Maybe I’m lucky, smart or dumb…… but I’m happy with the plan …. so far ☺

[BloodyNineParticipant 87]

Are you a virgin? Just curious.

[UntamedParticipant]

Why still have sex? Because a monk’s life doesn’t become me and I love to f~~~.
Costs? 300 for a pro who’ll shut up and do her job.
Risks? I love risks. There is no life without risks.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[Anonymous 9]

OP I think you’re overthinking it.

Way too much cost analysis for me. Plus, I’m not even spreading my seed. I’m usually well protected most of the time.

I do like the company of women, but after a day together, or even an hour or so I’m ready to be alone.

I’m totally against marriage. But I’m not against f~~~ing.

Do you have the same views on driving a car?

There’s plenty of risk involved with that. The same goes for anything I consider pleasurable in life. Smoking weed, drinking alcohol, all of these things have risks but I still enjoy it from time to time.

I’m not a hater of women at all. I just know what happens when you get in relationships/marriage and they become different.

Think of it like this…

Girl you don’t love me, you just love my doggystyle…

 

 

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

“Benefit” is a relative term in some situations.  Perhaps some men get more benefit from sex than others.  I enjoy f~~~ing a different and new woman.  Some I pay for and some I pick up.  As long as she looks good.  Call it a hobby.  Some guys build model airplanes.  I like to f~~~.  What’s it to you?

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[OneforfreedomParticipant 930]

The desire to have sex is biological. It CAN be mitigated with intense self-discipline, but some people want the pleasure of it and there’s nothing wrong with that, especially with all the birth control and protections available nowadays. Some people want to abstain from sex all their life and there’s nothing wrong with that either.

As KeyMaster pointed out, this is due to evolution. We humans have an instinct to pass down your genes and bloodline. That’s why Darwin’s work on natural selection was so important. The goal of every human is to reproduce and pass on kids. Living life etc are just things on the side. This is the way the Animal Kingdom works too.

We humans are fortunate enough to control the world, and to have options available other than making babies, but that doesn’t mean we should frown upon those who want to enjoy sex.

[UntamedParticipant]

uchibenkei wrote:

“Benefit” is a relative term in some situations. Perhaps some men get more benefit from sex than others. I enjoy f~~~ing a different and new woman. Some I pay for and some I pick up. As long as she looks good. Call it a hobby. Some guys build model airplanes. I like to f~~~. What’s it to you?

Thank you.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[rorickParticipant 682]

As long as you love doing it, why not?

Myself, I hate getting associated with women in any form be it relationships or sex, moreover i can’t have sex with a girl that i don’t love. I’m kind of old school here, or may be that is how i was born.  Therefore for me to have sex i need to love her, so to love a girl i should throw away all my logical thinking and turn myself into a mangina, which i never wanted to be, hence i stayed virgin.

Anyways that is what MGTOW is ! Doing things which you love doing it. If you love f~~~ing go for it, if not just jerk off.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Men Going Monk is a valid way to go MGTOW.  I am planning a video on this, looking at the history of Men Going Monk as MGTOW.  It is just believed that younger men just CAN’T stop having sex, so going monk isn’t considered an option for all.  I hold each MGTOW has to develop his own strategies for living life the best way he can, and believe options can be offered, but each MGTOW needs to do what he can do.

On this, I was thinking of doing a post on MGTOW who want to ride the hypergamy train and get an overseas woman.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Wandering MGHOWParticipant 551]

I agree with OP and have made similar topics here on this subject. I understand that sex is a biological necessity and that’s what p~~~es me off most. Everything OP said was true, but I still have these dumb urges to f~~~ every once in a while. Ever since going MGTOW however, I quench them with a 4-5 minute wank and I’m satisfied. At least until the next urge pops up, then the cycle repeats. I once read in a book (The Way Of The Superior Man) that if you can resist these basic and low level human urges, then you will have transcended to the level of a genius. I was always inspired by that.

I feel that sexual urges and desires are our brains way of tapping into our most primal and basic instincts. For me, just the thought of letting some caveman thoughts from many millenniums ago creep into my head is enough to turn me off. I want to conquer these primitive urges and transcend to the next level of human consciousness. It’s either that or remain a cave-slave. (I just came up with that term right now. You like? lol)

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

As part of a dark side of me, yes I have paid for sex.  I am doubting what I paid for was worth the money.  It wasn’t great at all, and not worth they hype.  Maybe I am missing something here.  What I see is any man hyping paying for sex, is hyping the release he gets from it, a bit like eating something when you are starving.  Beyond this?  Maybe I need to find a Porn Star Experience or something.  I just don’t get the hype at all about it.  Maybe I want something different.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[rorickParticipant 682]

And gents…. don’t forget. Your grandfather had to marry her first.
THIS is the age of the freest cheapest vagina that ever was.

Yes @keymaster!

Earlier you had to marry the woman first to get the pussy., Which at-least had a catch!

But now you get the pussy first, but men still marries them.. No logic here

[FermatParticipant 3478]

I understand OPs perspective. It all boils down to lizard brain biologically driven urges. I am a lifelong celibate and have never had and will never have sex. I say this with the same confidence and conviction when I say Im never getting married. A bizarre and extreme lifestyle yes. To the average man I am insane. But resisting biological urges via self discipline is something men do on a daily basis in our everyday. We don’t steal to eat. We work for it. We don’t steal money. We go to school to get educated and earn money.  The list goes on. I have applied this to my sex life as well. It’s a primal urge that can be substituted by other things.

I think all sexual encounters men initiate with women regardless of what their philosophy is Pua or mgtow all boils down to ego. Men that enjoy the female company like it when that girl gives them compliments or show them affection. It boosts a man’s ego. It’s a very subtle boost but it’s there. Hence they ignore the potential consequences of sex because the ego boost is worth it. I don’t really buy the whole biological urge viewpoint because sex isn’t like food or shelter that is necessary for survival. It’s ego at the end of the day.

Purchasing condoms, saying the right things, having the right stuff, making sure they don’t have stds, hoping they don’t get accused of rape, etc. really is a fun social game for most men. Men love challenges and women often present the best ones.

The above factors you mention are legitimate. I have a certain level of social anxiety. Merely thinking about any one of the potential consequences of sex kills all desire to have sex with even the sweetest girl in my life.This anxiety doesn’t prevent me from doing my job at work because I really enjoy what I do (project engineer). When it comes to interpersonal relationships however it really does baffle me that someone that i like expects me to take all these risks just yo feel good for a few minutes. I understand life is all about risks but this one takes the cake. Me being celibate isn’t a cry for help or a revenge prank. It just makes the most sense to me. I can’t tell my family or even my closest friends because none of them truly understand me. Only my one friend with adhd knows and he understands.

So OP your reasons to not have sex I think are somewhat justified. The escorts guys keep talking about here arr nuce but if you buy one just know you are only proving to womrn how much mrn need sex like they need food. Even though we shouldnt care what women think why feed into the system? Ill conclude by saying i approach the need for sex the same way I approach the need for a brand new boat. Boats are fun to ride on and can be relaxing but there’s so many risks and they cost a lot of money. Therefore that need only manifests in an elite group of humans who have wealth and time. If you don’t have that you don’t have that need. I choose celibacy because the need to spend time or money just for an ego boost or two minutes of busting into a Latin bag inside of a vagina on top of a sweaty bed with human being I will likely not desire afterwards makes very little sense to me. But then again I’m a strange fellow so what do I know?

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[OneforfreedomParticipant 930]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

As part of a dark side of me, yes I have paid for sex.  I am doubting what I paid for was worth the money.  It wasn’t great at all, and not worth they hype.  Maybe I am missing something here.  What I see is any man hyping paying for sex, is hyping the release he gets from it, a bit like eating something when you are starving.  Beyond this?  Maybe I need to find a Porn Star Experience or something.  I just don’t get the hype at all about it.  Maybe I want something different.

The best releases come (pun not intended) when you enjoy the build-up. And if you want something done right, do it yourself. Can’t trust a prostitute to make you happy.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Oneforfreedom wrote:

richardhutnik wrote:

As part of a dark side of me, yes I have paid for sex. I am doubting what I paid for was worth the money. It wasn’t great at all, and not worth they hype. Maybe I am missing something here. What I see is any man hyping paying for sex, is hyping the release he gets from it, a bit like eating something when you are starving. Beyond this? Maybe I need to find a Porn Star Experience or something. I just don’t get the hype at all about it. Maybe I want something different.

The best releases come (pun not intended) when you enjoy the build-up. And if you want something done right, do it yourself. Can’t trust a prostitute to make you happy.

My experience with strippers, etc… is that they end up mechanical for money.  It really isn’t much of anything, but to do a job.  I see GFE advertised, but I joke that is likely a case where you pay a woman to argue with you :-P.  For myself, this part is an annoyance urge I don’t mind doing without.  I don’t look for it to give my life meaning at all.  I am approaching 50, so my hope is that it dies down.  And now, I have been around MGTOW stuff, I trust the mystique is wearing off.  With the mystique gone, the lottery ticket lie bit ends up fading.  Throw in my case of always being low on cash, and I know hiring a woman is not an option.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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