I never went to college

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

I never went to college, and probably never will. It always seemed like a waste of time and money, and I know people now who are still paying off their debts. It’s like our system of academia has become a money trap, not to mention a propaganda machine. And some things never made sense to me, Why go to school for 4 years for a f~~~ing engineering degree, and you have to have so many credits, so why do you have to fill your time with studies of philosophy, literature, art and all that other s~~~? Don’t get me wrong, I like all that stuff, but if I was going to college it’s to learn things that will make me more money, so why is the majority of my time spent doing irrelevant material? And on top of that, even in high school I knew that you could graduate and not have a job. So now, the extra 2.50 you make because you got a degree is null and void, and you’ve got to pay off huge loans. I love this idea of higher education, kind of like I love the “idea” of women. But then reality kicks in and you realise it’s bulls~~~, it’s a money trap, and a waste of time. Also, I’m making good money from certifications, a place where you spend a few grand and then double your pay. When you go to learn how to drive a car, they don’t try to teach a semester of algebra with it. When you learn to operate a crane, they don’t need a paper on postmodern art. IDK, just makes more sense to not go.

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[RoyDalParticipant]

I agree, categorically and in full.

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[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

Like you said Silverstone II, I never went to a classic official college/highschool myself either, went to one private one for not even as long as two years to learn my stuff. Well, in the end that wasn’t even too expensive and yes:

Silverstone the Second wrote:

And on top of that, even in high school I knew that you could graduate and not have a job.

Reality hits down hard when it comes to that, I know from what I observe.

In my country there are plenty of college/highschool alumnis and graduated academics hopelessly lost in the streets looking desperately for jobs only to come to realize that maybe they learned the wrong things during their precious studies.

As far as diplomas certificates and so forth are concerned (including my own only one certificate that I do have), I mostly consider its value equal to that of toilet paper, ‘cos I know what I can do and don’t need no paper to prove it to anyone. All I have to do is just to get out there every once in a while and do a great job, whenever offered a freelance opportunity to do so. There’s no mystical magic to it, really …

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[ResidentEvil7Participant 9642]

I used to think about going to college, but then I asked myself “why?” It’s very expensive, time consuming and it doesn’t secure a job at anytime. It does secure that I will have to pay for it for the next 20 years instead of spending that time and money owning a house and keeping up with mortgages. Face it people are coming out of colleges without jobs lined up and are living back home with parents. Why should that be me? I think going to college is the same as gambling and taking risks; you go for the education hoping for a better paying job, but it doesn’t always happen and if you lose, you’re stuck with the long-term debt.

Besides, they make you take some of the most useless courses. Even in high school, I always wondered when I am ever going to use algebra, and 6 semesters of PE when I never cared for sports. It’s kind of sad that they make you take more PE classes than math and English courses.

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[AscendedParticipant 698]

To be fair, degrees opens for you more opportunities. And that’s all there is.

I agree, commercial education f~~~s students up. I remember going for my vocal education and spent my first year hungry. Couldn’t wait until I got employed so I could put an end to these s~~~ty times. Employment > Commercial education!!! You can pay for your food and eat whatever and how much the hell you want when you are employed and get paid. But when you go full study without working and getting paid then you can’t even afford enough food and suffer generally by being a poor bastard.

And yes, we learned a lot about irrelevant s~~~, which is useless information for our profession. History, language (not glossary or something), algebra and more schoolish junk. Never need that.

In my experience finding no job equals to either being 2lazy or living in the wrong place.

"We are free to follow our own path. There are those who will take that freedom from us, and too many of you gladly give it. But it is our ability to choose – whatever you think is true – that makes us human. There is no book or teacher to give you the answers, to show you the path. Choose your own way! Do not follow me, or anyone else."

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Silverstone the Second wrote:

Why go to school for 4 years for a f~~~ing engineering degree, and you have to have so many credits, so why do you have to fill your time with studies of philosophy, literature, art and all that other s~~~?

Engineering student here, about to graduate in a few months.

Don’t know what you’re talking about “having to fill your time”: I had to take only three “arts” courses during my entire four years here, and each one took only six weeks. There’s interesting stuff in arts, just don’t take gender studies, take something that interests you, and you’ll be fine.

But I do agree with you that for the vast majority of people university is a waste of time and money.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[OneforfreedomParticipant 930]

You can’t get into many healthcare fields without a college degree.

Medical School requires a four year Bachelor’s degree, and Medicine is a pretty stable field: immune to recessions, great starting incomes ($200K+), 40-50 hrs/week of work.

I’d say college is good if you want to go into healthcare fields, like I did.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22627]

Oneforfreedom wrote:

You can’t get into many healthcare fields without a college degree.

For some people, one cannot get a job flipping hamburgers without a college degree.

Something is very, very wrong with this situation. And what is wrong is companies decades ago start hiring from outside with college degrees instead of promoting and training from within said companies.

Now, ‘you need a college degree’ mentality has gravitated to the lowest levels of corporate jobs to the point the system is starting to break down.

[MENGINEERParticipant 583]

My degree in Engineering allowed me to make six figures in my 20s. Yes there are some bulls~~~ classes to take for general ed but mostly in first 1-2 years.

Where else can you conduct thermal efficiency studies on a jet turbine? Rankine equations on a 100k btu/hr boiler? Tensile testing on steel beam for bridge retrofit? Engineering LAB$$$ achieve this. Good luck trying to get into a trade union as a journeyman without this hands-on experience.

STEM fields usually require college unless you can get into an apprentice program (better know someone). If you can bypass all this you are very lucky..

There are some laughable majors (liberal arts, communication, etc) that are worthless. Don’t get me started on student debt (which is in the trillions). Its a stepping stone to wherever you want to go in life..

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22627]

MENGINEER wrote:

My degree in Engineering allowed me to make six figures in my 20s.

And when was this?

The opportunities of the past do not exist in the present.

[Anonymous 0]

Let’s not forget the SJW/Feminist/Blacktivist takeover of the colleges and universities. It has become a cesspool of cults and mentally unstable people that are completely unproductive,parasitic and sociopathic as hell.

[Anonymous 42]

Oneforfreedom wrote:

You can’t get into many healthcare fields without a college degree.

@freedom, the psychological mental health field is the most important field there is! and here in MGTOW it’s the best in the world! And FREE!!! Some of the most educated people on earth are as dumb as a bag of rocks!

[DybbukParticipant 182]

The HR folks like to discriminate for lack of paper.

The whole higher education bubble is mostly the result of one Supreme Court decision, namely, Griggs vs. Duke Power Company. In the name of combating racial discrimination, employers are now forbidden from putting potential workers through pre-employment testing, unless the materials on said tests are strictly related to the specific work to be done on the job. So now employers are forced to look for proxies for what they’re not allowed to test. College is by far their favorite proxy.

In most fields, the value of college isn’t in what you actually learn in class. It’s a signalling effect: the fact that you made it to the end says something about you as a person.

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

Trade schools and or community colleges are more affordable.

The ass hats who look down on trade schools are usually the ones scratching away to pay off their student debt.

[narwhalParticipant]

I have an engineering degree, but don’t work as an engineer in any capacity. I agree whole heartedly with those that say it’s not so much about what you learn, but in proving that you’re capable of thinking.

My parents paid for college, and I can’t imagine I’d ever recommend anyone getting student loans. If you can’t afford it and you want to work in a field that requires it, then work and save till you can afford it.

As far as the required elective courses not related to my major, I took most of those at a local community college as opposed to paying a higher price and risk screwing up my GPA. I think there a re useful and I enjoyed some of them. Really, it was the profs who resented teaching students who were not passionate about the subject that were the biggest drawback.

Most importantly though, I think it’s important to way your options, all your options when you graduate from high school. If you want a career then requires it, then go for it. If you’re not sure, or would rather do something that doesn’t require it, then you’re wasting time and money. I plan on providing for my kids college education, but if they have a strong interest in being a mechanic, or something in the service industry, I would rather they go work at a shop for 4 years, earn a management position or save enough to get their own shop. I don’t want to blow thousands and have them be unhappy.

I have a nephew that went to OSU last year, but had to drop out due to some issues. He’s currently taking online classes, and has started working with a guy who does residential audio/video wiring/installations. He’s learned a ton and enjoys it. He’s developed a good relationship with the owner, and could end up running a ‘branch’ of the business for the owner in a few years. Honestly, I think he’s in a much better situation now then when he was as OSU. He’s more motivated for a career then he was at OSU (where he was partying), get’s paid now, is more likely to own his own business in the future. He will still likely get sort of degree, so even if this doesn’t pan out, he will have a degree and real world experience on his resume.

Absolutely, you really need to consider who you are want you want for a career before you throw money at college.

Ok. Then do it.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 25019]

Went into medicine so college was essential, and I had to do well. My 80,000.00 student loans (12% in 1983) took 20 years to pay off at 500 a month.

I had to take 6 non-related general liberal arts/PE/language courses. Went to a State University to reduce my cost.

My son is not very academically oriented. He is taking a year off after HS. My advice to him is to be sure of what he wants to do for a living if he goes to college otherwise don’t get into student loan debt because it will follow him forever. Go into a trade or government job.

But he feels the pressure to go to college because everybody else is.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9642]

No s~~~! It’s an example why I’m still looking for work. I hate it when ever I apply to a job, I have to take a very torturous personality test (the one where you have answer strongly agree/strongly disagree; mostly likely/least likely, situational questions)! I hate those assessment tests; they’re hard to pass, and they make you take them at minimal wage work! I never understood those tests and I had to ask people who got the job what is the trick with those tests. I learned that the reason I wasn’t passing them is because I was being honest on them, when you have to lie and put the best answers they want to hear on it. Those test are stupid, and I can’t believe to make $8/hr, you have to be so perfect to the point you need to lie to make yourself appear unrealistically perfect.

Some of those tests are worse than others. Like PetCo for example. There’s 2 sections. Section 1 is timed for 10 minutes, you have to answer math and English questions. Some where you have a series of numbers in a pattern and you need to identify what the next number is; they give you math problems that include square roots, percentages, perimeter, square feet. Then the English test gives you words (trick words you’d never need to use in your life) and you have identify what it means, you have to identify the first letter of the word, this is to that, as this is to ___________? If you don’t pass this 50 trick question test in 10 minutes, you fail, but then they take you to part 2 which is not timed but has 260 questions having to do with teamwork, work ethics, goals, situations, how to get along with others, customer relations. It can take 90 minutes to get through it and you’re screaming P~~~ED OFF while taking it because they just keep throwing more and more and more questions that make no sense. This PetCo test I described is asking for a lot to be a cashier pushing buttons, scanning barcodes and pretending to be polite to customers. Why should I know what the square root 1,467, or the square area of a building to be a cashier making $8 an hour?! They sure don’t pay people enough to be brutalized and judged by a complicating test.

HH Gregg is another one I took that was brutal. Once you start the test, they throw sales related questions at you with 5 possible answers. But here’s the thing, none of the questions asked make any sense and neither do any of the answers. The questions are so hard, you have to pass this test by guessing and being lucky. They go from one section of questions to another, then another, then another. After you finish with a set of 30 questions, then they take you another set of 30 questions, then another set of 30 questions. They must do that like 15 times and again, they ask questions that you don’t even know what they’re asking. Sure asks for an awful lot just to stand there setting video game consoles. I figured reapply at Best Buy (which I got super close to landing back in June– if only I heard the phone ring, the job would of been mine), which the test is horrible, but it’s not as bad as HH Gregg and doesn’t take sales to the extreme as the Gregg application gives the impression.

I’m sick of being out of work and applying for cheap labor all because I don’t understand their f~~~ing tests! And if I do pass it, I’m lucky to even get a call back where they schedule an interview they hit you with even more questions you don’t know how to answer. Seriously what happened to those days when you applied on a piece of paper, and handed it to your possible future boss, and exchange a few words?! Times are tough, and employers want to do is make it even more tough!

So if I can’t get a cheap wage job because of the insane process, what makes college any better? So college for me would be a waste of money and time. It’s like you need to be a college grad to flip burgers, bag groceries and sweep floors, because that’s what it seems like when you apply for it. It’s no wonder why so many people are struggling and giving up; you can’t even apply for it.

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