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I actually use “encouraging independence in women”
Keymaster, this is a great one! Imma use it.
I absolutely do this kind of thing too. Unless it is an elderly lady, I won’t go out of my way of help a woman carry something heavy or give up my seat on the subway or train. It is liberating.
This is true Dwight. I give elderly women who are pre 2nd and 3rd generation feminism era a pass. They generally don’t deserve it and being MGTOW doesn’t mean one can’t be a gentleman toward the innocent.

Anonymous3My sister read this and was like: “Oh yeah? Was your momma carrying you around for 9 months and enduring the pain of childbirth a freebee?”
Yes.
None of us gave consent for making our birth a business deal, less alone a perpetual debt.
Women like to wave the mothering thing aground, but they forget that they also needed a mother. If there is a debt, everyone is on the same boat.
And fathers are very conveniently forgotten.
You owe women for your own life.
Doesn’t a man have to be involved it it?
Women have all the hard work, men just ave the fun part with making kids.
Then I guess its ok for a man to leave his pregnant girlfriend. He doesn’t do anything…
Only if he an asshole, being a single mom is the hardest thing there is.
But didn’t you say a man contributes with nothing? So what is the difference between a married mom and a single mom?
You are all ungrateful assholes.
We are not, you women are. Men never despised their mother’s importance, but women keep forgetting their father.To add to your ideology: I would have never been so happy being by myself taking care of only myself, had I not experienced just how bad the other side was.
My final dating experience, the girl was going on how she could not “read me” to know what I was thinking. She was afraid that I would break up with her, unless I said I would marry her… This relationship started with me explaining that I would never marry again, and she agreed. “It (marriage) is pointless anyways,” she would agree. Suddenly, she was thinking of nothing else. After a week of badgering me, saying she was thinking of ending it (our relationship), I said, “let me help you.” I took her stuff, put them in some bags, helped her to the door and told her that I need some me time. She went back home, living with her mom and dad. That was the last we spoke.
I do not do mind games or manipulation well. She learned that fast. Sex is good, but it is not that good. Women are not worth giving up living for.
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