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Many MRA’s and red pill men like to state on a regular basis that “the tides are turning”.
Such positivism is commendable, however it could give us a false sense of reality.
If you believe that things will go better by themselves you’ll often idle your time, content in the “knowledge” that things will get better.I saw a book named “end of feminism” 10 years ago.It was probably written by an MRA.
Such a headline suggests feminism and gynocentrism would start declining in the following years.10 years have passed.
Well?
Look around you.
Is feminism really at it’s end?
What laws where passed in the last 10 years?
How many where in favor of men and how many where in favor of women?
Men can’t even sit how they want in the subway for f~~~’s sake.From what we can see around us, every honest with himself man will deduce that feminism and gynocentrism is at it’s peak today and it will keep going up.
And more importantly:
This is the natural course every group that includes women takes.
Because:
1)Women will always seek power and influence and will always seek to trow men under them as a subclass.
2)The majority of men will always bend over and say sorry for things that they didn’t do just to “get along” and will try to do whatever it takes to please women in question just to be left alone.
3)But here’s the kicker,
they won’t ever be left alone, as long as the women can they will continue to bug them until they get the whole world.This is also why you don’t try to reason or negotiate with them.
These people want complete Totalitarianism.
You don’t negotiate with terrorists.If you don’t understand the situation or where things are headed, you won’t feel the need to take measures to protect yourself or improve your life.
And this is why i’m writing this.Please,
look around
for your own good.women are attracted to providers.
either an alpha male
or big daddy socialist/leftist governmentMGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.
Anonymous42I’m bullet proof to that kind of bad news! I’m not a fool standing in the rain waiting for fairness to begin!
Feminism started a war against men that became the status quo, damage is done, 50+ years of this bulls~~~ and look what’s done! F~~~ them, f~~~ their war, I’m happy by myself living in this burned out battlefield!
War is hell and women are war.
Our only choice is war and hell or to go it alone and live in peace. I chose peace…
I think to an extent feminism actually is suffering a slow and painful death right alongside marriage, which ironically feminism played a large role in destroying. Yeah its alive and well with the divorced 40+ year old women who all divorce raped their husband(s) and lived a comfortable life on someone else’s dime, but what is going to happen in 10-20 years when you average 40 year old woman never had the benefit of a husband or a divorce rape?
I know quite a few 30+ year old women deeply in debt with crappy jobs who have already resigned themselves to being crazy old cat women the first time they got a taste of the wall…its only going to get worse for them at 40 especially when they haven’t had the chance to walk away from a marriage and take a six figure settlement, alimony, child support, and the house like their mothers did. I’d feel bad for them if it wasn’t for how so many of them acted in their primes when they thought pussy perks were permanent and guys would be chasing after them forever. Something tells me they won’t be giving the next generation the same advice their mother’s gave them…because the advice they got essentially amounted to “I hit the lottery in divorce and you will too so just focusing on enjoying your life and don’t worry about it!” Boy did they find out what s~~~ty advice that was when the advice young men are getting these days is “NEVER F~~~ING GET MARRIED.”
Young men today are growing up watching their fathers, uncles, neighbors, coworkers, and friends get thrown into the wood chipper in divorce courts…and the declining marriage rates among the 35 and under crowd is proof we are learning from this. No, I don’t think feminism will just magically “end” some day. We’ll always have feminists, but I do think when you step off the playing field feminism pretty much dies for you, and for every guy that steps off the field feminism gets a little weaker.
Many MRA’s and red pill men like to state on a regular basis that “the tides are turning”.
Such positivism is commendable, however it could give us a false sense of reality.
If you believe that things will go better by themselves you’ll often idle your time, content in the “knowledge” that things will get better.I saw a book named “end of feminism” 10 years ago.It was probably written by an MRA.
Such a headline suggests feminism and gynocentrism would start declining in the following years.10 years have passed.
Well?
Look around you.
Is feminism really at it’s end?
What laws where passed in the last 10 years?
How many where in favor of men and how many where in favor of women?
Men can’t even sit how they want in the subway for f~~~’s sake.From what we can see around us, every honest with himself man will deduce that feminism and gynocentrism is at it’s peak today and it will keep going up.
And more importantly:
This is the natural course every group that includes women takes.
Because:
1)Women will always seek power and influence and will always seek to trow men under them as a subclass.
2)The majority of men will always bend over and say sorry for things that they didn’t do just to “get along” and will try to do whatever it takes to please women in question just to be left alone.
3)But here’s the kicker,
they won’t ever be left alone, as long as the women can they will continue to bug them until they get the whole world.This is also why you don’t try to reason or negotiate with them.
These people want complete Totalitarianism.
You don’t negotiate with terrorists.If you don’t understand the situation or where things are headed, you won’t feel the need to take measures to protect yourself or improve your life.
And this is why i’m writing this.Please,
look around
for your own good.While I agree with you on some parts, I think you are missing the big picture. Why do you think gay marriage was passed even after states voted against it? I’ll give you a hint, money. The fact that heterosexual marriages are declining along with birth rates, led to the federal law declaring it ok. If they were not allowed to marry then they could not divorce. Family courts, family lawyers all lose. So you might not see it but there are hints the powers that be do not like this adjustment.
This should be the way ahead. Earn as much money as possible. Do not skimp on your maximum earning potential. Money and influence will get laws changed. If enough of us refuse marriage and can band together, then we will make a change. Otherwise they will continue to find ways into our wallets.
If it costs you your peace of mind, then it is too expensive.
Many MRA’s and red pill men like to state on a regular basis that “the tides are turning”.
Such positivism is commendable, however it could give us a false sense of reality.
If you believe that things will go better by themselves you’ll often idle your time, content in the “knowledge” that things will get better.I saw a book named “end of feminism” 10 years ago.It was probably written by an MRA.
Such a headline suggests feminism and gynocentrism would start declining in the following years.10 years have passed.
Well?
Look around you.
Is feminism really at it’s end?
What laws where passed in the last 10 years?
How many where in favor of men and how many where in favor of women?
Men can’t even sit how they want in the subway for f~~~’s sake.From what we can see around us, every honest with himself man will deduce that feminism and gynocentrism is at it’s peak today and it will keep going up.
And more importantly:
This is the natural course every group that includes women takes.
Because:
1)Women will always seek power and influence and will always seek to trow men under them as a subclass.
2)The majority of men will always bend over and say sorry for things that they didn’t do just to “get along” and will try to do whatever it takes to please women in question just to be left alone.
3)But here’s the kicker,
they won’t ever be left alone, as long as the women can they will continue to bug them until they get the whole world.This is also why you don’t try to reason or negotiate with them.
These people want complete Totalitarianism.
You don’t negotiate with terrorists.If you don’t understand the situation or where things are headed, you won’t feel the need to take measures to protect yourself or improve your life.
And this is why i’m writing this.Please,
look around
for your own good.Such “positivism” is NOT commendable, it’s exactly why MRAs are mostly buffoons.
Feminism and gynocentrism is at it’s peak today and it will keep going up: that’s sure – years like 2017, 2018, 2019, will be – FOR SURE – even worse than today.
Further women empowerment is expected in the next years: due inherent gynocentrism in our society further women empowerment means more feminism and especially more feminism of the most openly misandric kind – by turning “feminism” more and more misandric then we’ll see “non-feminist” women being more and more misandric too – they’ll just highlight they aren’t feminists due they will be way less openly misandric than the actual feminists but, still, those “non-feminist” women will be more misandric than a “non-feminist” woman of 5 years ago.
The tides can turn?
Perhaps, it’s even likely to happen in the future.
But NOT before the vast majority of men will be openly, absolutely, severely hurted, p~~~ed off and even openly angered. NO WAY that this is going to happen in the next 5-6 years, probably it’ll take way more, maybe 10-12 years or even more. During such 5-10 years we’ll see even more misandric laws, more shaming tactics, and so on. Including things like adverts trying to shame men who aren’t sperm donors, and perhaps even a bachelor tax designed in a way that it’ll hurt single men way more than single women.
There’s a reson why I’m raising my 12 yo son like a little very moderate and purple-pill “MGTOW-like” boy: because I think it’ll reach its REAL PEAK, at least here in Italy, when he’ll be about 20 yo, likely to be in the first or the second year of university. When it’ll reach its peak a young man in university will be safe just only if he’ll be MGTOW in his deep and ready to identify as gay every time someone will try to attack or shame him. For the second consecutive year here in Italy we have had 60% degrees earned by females, just only 40% by males. 7-8 years from now it’s likely to be 66% vs 33% and they will still be concerned just only about the performance of girls in STEM.
Since I beginned to raise my son in a more “MGTOW-like” way his school performances have improved, and I wish to keep him that way: I wish that he’ll earn a good degree, something likely to ensure him a good job, I don’t wish to see him chasing females and ending falsely accused.SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
Many MRA’s and red pill men like to state on a regular basis that “the tides are turning”.
The tide is not turning. The tide is going out. And it isn’t coming back.
While it’s true that we’ll never be able to sink the ship of feminism, it doesn’t really matter. We don’t need to.
MRAs are buffoons to think things will change for the better for men.
I asked buffoon as esmay when things will get better and he had no answer.
Things will only get better for men when men have had enough and silently walk away.
frankly my dear i don't give a damn
I don’t give 2 s~~~s about what society does as a whole or how the dynamics between men and women change. I wouldn’t care if the laws changed tomorrow and you could own a woman like a dog. I DON’T WANT A WOMAN IN MY LIFE AND NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE THAT. It’s too late to try to rope me in. Regardless of how the laws change, a woman is a woman and she always will be. She’ll always be full of BS and you’ll be swept away with all the BS that she puts into her life. Who needs that s~~~?
proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome
Feminism will consume itself.
I don’t care anymore.
Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.
Doesn’t matter to me. Won’t be resolved in my reproductive years. But when given the choice between family and an end to me as an individual, I will choose me over family every day. You get one life, live it.
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It’s going to take a long time before feminism even begins to really fizzle out. There’s still a healthy population of blue pillers out there offering themselves up at the alter of the stink mitten.
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I thought it would have burned out by now, but somehow nobody is learning anything from the carnage all around them and right in their face. AWALT. Just accept it.10 years have passed.
Well?The marriage rates! Marriage to me tells a lot of the story of what direction the genders are headed. The lion’s share of women still want to get married,while the lion’s share of men are not asking. We are approaching major lows with millennials(70-80 men are not married)so its a slow start, but a major one. When men dont marry it leaves potential female slave masters rocking in a chair, on the porch, caressing cats.
Never lose sight of what brought you here.
Anonymous0I don’t see it getting any better soon. I see it getting worse. There is a glaring paradox which I’m sure those of us here see all too clearly. Feminism has become a parody. It’s laughable and embarrassing and deadly serious all at the same time. When I see Politicians from both sides (here in Australia) pandering to feminists because they want the female votes one can see that using politics to change this is going to be impossible. The left has created a hungry monster with its funding and that beast wont be slain easily. Especially since most men don’t give a f~~~ enough to bother about it (MGTOW included). I just sit back and laugh now and duck my head occasionally. Its also nice to shoot ‘fish in a barrel’ which is what one does when pointing out feminist ridiculousness.
Many MRA’s and red pill men like to state on a regular basis that “the tides are turning”………………I saw a book named “end of feminism” 10 years ago.It was probably written by an MRA…………..Well? Look around you. Is feminism really at it’s end?
About 10 years ago, there was a big article online about “The Misandry Bubble“. I don’t know if that’s the ORIGINAL source, but bubbles are only visible in hindsight. You don’t know it’s over-inflated until enough time has passed.
Even around 2006 the misandry bubble was already noticeable behind us and this was just the START of “MGTOW” on the internet map. Back in 2005 you wouldn’t have seen the SCORES of men like those who show up today and say F~~~ YOU to some published feminist bulls~~~.
Its’ debatable, but the “misandry bubble” was around the late 90s…. maybe 1993-1998. But it wasn’t apparent to anyone at the time. It took a good decade for men to START saying I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS S~~~. Now E-Harmony can’t even PUBLISH something like “15 reasons to date a single mother” without a 100 men saying “NOT MY SPERM, NOT MY CONCERN”.
No chance in hell you would have seen that in 2005.
Now you’re starting to see feminists actually admitting they want to get back to the kitchen.
… results of studies over 30-50 years showing post-feminist women are actually less happy and it’s backed up by female testimony.
And women are actually openly saying “F~~~ NO WAY!!!” to “equality” now.
+ marriage rates at a 93-year low and 70% of American men under 35 are not married today?
You wouldn’t have seen that during the misandry bubble.
Tides are definitely turning.Yes, sure, and DEFINITELY the feminist/misandry machine rages on but that’s what feminism needs to so to survive. When it starts to wither and fade, they push another “WAVE”. That’s what they are called “WAVES”. 1st wave…. 2nd wave…. 3rd wave….. because they just couldn’t get it right the first 3 times.
The minute women start to say “f~~~ you I hate business, work and sports, and I would rather be a mother and a wife” is the day the feminist machine loses its funding. Women just have to duke out out with each other while we all get to sit back and watch the show.
Enjoy!
Interesting times ahead.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.If the tide turns…it won’t happen in my lifetime. I am fully expecting that the system will always be unjust towards Men. As far as the nature of women’s behavior changing…that is on an evolutionary time frame that is measured upon in excess of 100,000 years.
Women will behave the same way in 1000 years that they are behaving today.
I am not going to try to change the system, my efforts to change such a system would be as effective as me
trying to prevent a sand castle from being washed away by an incoming tide.What I CAN CHANGE is to put myself in a position that makes it very difficult for a woman to directly exploit me. And the way I can do this is:
Never getting married
Never Co-Habitating
Getting a Vasectomy or just refraining from sex
Not dating
Keeping my distance and interactions with women at work to an absolute minimumSaving and Investing my money with the Goal of Leaving the United States permanently once I retire, by giving up my citizenship and becoming a citizen of another country and living in a country where my tax situation is such that I would pay little to no taxes.
Keeping my expenses as low as possible and enjoying life as much as possible.
We are approaching major lows with millennials(70-80 men are not married)so its a slow start, but a major one. When men dont marry it leaves potential female slave masters rocking in a chair, on the porch, caressing cats.
When men don’t marry they have no incentive to work an extra 400 hours (that’s ten weeks – ten f~~~ing weeks – one fifth of the total work year) every year for no personal benefit to them just to support wifey and the two out of her three children that only probably carry his genes. That’s ten weeks a year those men aren’t slaving away to produce the surpluses in goods and services this bloated single mother welfare state depends on for survival.
There’s only so long such a society can get by printing money out of nothing to eat its seed corn before the economy collapses. Soon enough those would-be-wifeys won’t even be able to afford cat food for themselves, never mind their many many cats.
Then their cats will eat them.
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