I just can't bring myself to do it anymore.

[Anonymous 12]

I’ve been on this path for well over a year now and it seems I have finally arrived at my destination. I just can’t bring myself to talk to women anymore, regardless of what you are like, what your pick up technique is like it all boils down to one thing – stroking a woman’s ego.

And that is what I can’t do anymore, even just saying hello is giving her attention, it is giving her the ability to judge me at a glance and then decide if I am worth talking to or not.

Even when I have been on a date, I just can’t help but feel like I am supposed to be some kind of circus performer hoping to please her, a lot of the time especially after becoming MGTOW I have just sat there and let her do the talking.

I have always kind of felt this way, that flirting is a form of condescending myself, and that is one thing that I just can’t do anymore. Especially for those times when you approach a woman only to find out that she is below standard in ways other than physical anyway.

Anyone else on this path or arrived at this point?

[The Batman 2020Participant 2112]

Yes, good post. I don’t pay for women anymore, that includes ‘paying attention’ to them at all. You’re seeing how much they really cost and not even looking in the store window anymore, let alone going to town to shop at all. Mgtows are out fishing and being free from the trap. Batman out

Your 20's are for learning, your 30's are for earning.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Excellent post.

Anonymous wrote:

Anyone else on this path or arrived at this point?

Most certainly, but I also overcame it.

It’s easy to feel like you’re “auditioning” and I snapped myself out of that years ago, because I hated it for the same reasons. Now I just assume every woman is totally interested. Any reaction to the contrary, and I will be slightly amused like she’s kidding.

The idea that she is “out of my league” on any level is impossible and doesn’t compute. Any kind of dismissal or disapproving look and I’m like “you’re funny”… or “yeah ok, if you say so”. It’s just an attitude adjustment to stop from feeling like you described.

It’s unnecessary for us to feel like that, and f~~~ her for trying, really.
Allowing it is paying her too much of a compliment.

They project that “rejection” s~~~ onto us, but women have no business doing it until we are clear about our interest. I can’t stand it when a woman attempts to disqualify BEFORE I show any obvious interest in her. And that won’t happen until I decide – if ever.

Men look to qualify women. Women look to disqualify men.
I just don’t give them the opportunity.

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I suppose I don’t want to go through life deliberately avoiding eye contact, or hellos, awkward silences in elevators, trying not to pay attention etc. — just because women have bitchy attitudes — and if a girl makes an effort to be attractive I appreciate it. But if she has a bitchy resting face, it’s over right there. There won’t even be a “hello”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 12]

@batman – Thanks yeah it does feel like that, kind of like shopping for something you just don’t want or need, in the end you just stop going to the shops.

@keymaster – I realized very early on that there weren’t any women out of my league as such and that the better looking ones were easier to talk to anyway. Usually they end up being a disappointment anyway and I reject them as it were.

They do try and project the rejection and failure onto us as we are not right in some way.

I didn’t express it properly in my post but what I have been finding is asides from not being able to bring myself to do it in the first place the interest to begin with isn’t there anymore, kind of like the idea of going to a burger joint if you don’t like burgers, there isn’t any point.

The other side to the auditioning theory is, if you know or can sense that the woman actually likes you, it becomes all by itself a situation where she starts to audition for you. The tables turn.

In any case, right now at least, I am just feeling disinterested in it all and like I can’t even begin to start relating to a woman on any level and the idea of just pumping away mindlessly doesn’t interest me either, so they aren’t useful to me for casual sex either and in which case I would go to a brothel which are legal here.

[HitmanParticipant]

I try to always have the upper hand and not let women even think they are intimidating.
I avoid lots of them, but some you have to deal with.
I make my own rules now and don’t feel that I have to entertain them anymore.
The interplay can be fun with the right woman, not many worthy of my time though. .

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

I been gave on the the peac~~~ dancing and flapping feathers to mate. It just never felt right to me,from that moment on women have been a cakewalk. I dont care how they feel or think so whatever they decide to do strikes no cords in me,I just keep going my own way.

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

Hitman wrote:

I try to always have the upper hand and not let women even think they are intimidating.
I avoid lots of them, but some you have to deal with.
I make my own rules now and don’t feel that I have to entertain them anymore.
The interplay can be fun with the right woman, not many worthy of my time though. .

Ever found one who’s worthy of your time?

I thought I had one 7 years ago. She was all sweet and cute and acted “oldskool” when I visited her at her place for the first time: I could sit down, watch football (the real thing Americans call soccer, not hand egg) and she brought me beer whenever I asked for it.

Fast forward three months and it turned out she had major psychological problems (schizophrenia was the least of them), was distrustful and left me a month after I got ill and wasn’t able to do my job anymore. So yeah, even the cutest-pretending ones are just not worth it.

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

I didn’t express it properly in my post but what I have been finding is asides from not being able to bring myself to do it in the first place the interest to begin with isn’t there anymore, kind of like the idea of going to a burger joint if you don’t like burgers, there isn’t any point.

Rogered you loud and clear.

My “can’t be bothered” kicks in when they are making innuendos towards me. It’s like when the pushy waiter is trying to sell you the catch of the day fish special. And then when you’re full, he shoves a dessert menu in your face.

So in that way I totally relate.

Nerevar wrote:

Ever found one who’s worthy of your time?

No. And as a matter of fact, that’s a good point when dealing wth the “you just can’t get laid” crowd…. I just come back with “Getting laid is too easy. Finding a woman worth your time, THAT’s hard.”

It’s an effective masquerade for “I couldn’t give a s~~~, really”.
But nobody believes men like that exist.

They are convinced we are “pigs” who ALWAYS want to f~~~ ALL women — ALL the time.

When no actually, I don’t.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[NotMyProblemParticipant 965]

It’s just not positive.

It’s a hole. That should be your first sign.

Holes are negative. You throw your time, money, and energy into the hole.

Not my property... Not my problem

[KeymasterKeymaster]

NotMyProblem wrote:

Holes are negative. You throw your time, money, and energy into the hole.

That’s very profound!

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

OP – yeah, I felt the same all my life, not just lately, but I thought maybe there is something wrong with me since it didn’t come naturally as for other dudes. Now I understand that I just knew better, that’s why. It’s the feeling you get when you go to a job interview, but you don’t really want this job, so it’s like whatever bitch

Nerevar wrote:

watch football (the real thing Americans call soccer, not hand egg)

hand egg bwahahahahaha I’m gonna remember this one lol

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Anonymous 12]

@keymaster – Oh man I hate those types of waiters or worse still those restaurants and cafes that have spruikers out the front trying to usher you in. I like to take my time with these decisions and if I get someone trying to push me in I walk away no matter how much I wanted to try the place.

And it’s the same with women, when they are trying to impress me etc and I just see the end of it all, I see that she will probably be nuts and I will have to get rid of her and how none of it will be worth it at all. Like the restaurant I’m better off going home and making bacon and eggs for dinner.

@nerevar – I have thought that I have found a couple as well at times but it seems the more serious things get the more insane they get then they start with their s~~~ tests to see how much I will put up with and I walk. Seems the more a woman gets the more she wants. I used to be friends with women at times and the stuff they told me just makes you feel cold, how they would be with a man even though they know they won’t marry him, he’s just someone for now but of course they will let him fall madly in love with her anyway. At least when most men do that they keep an emotional distance.

@russky – Yep, when I think of all my missed opportunities with women I realize how lucky I actually am.

@sovereign – I love that about holes being negative. Very true. You can spend all your time filling them but they will never be stable.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

This made me stop and think.

I have so many other things going on … that women don’t cross my radar unless they trigger my sensors.

I guess when most failed the C/B analysis … I just moved on.

I’ve likened them to birds before. They’re around and flapping about and squawking … but you don’t notice them … or want a conversation.

However, if one jumps on your arm and asks a question …. well one simply finds it intriguing.

I’ve just tuned them out I think.

Don’t feel like I’m missing out.

[revistaParticipant 232]

Im at same stage as you.been on my own now 3 years,done the dating and dating sites and its very wearing.served its purpose ive banged a few pre wall women and post wall.but i like my own space now and i think ive had so many red pills now i dont trust them.or enjoy there company that much either.most women are boring and you just massage there egos for the f~~~ but cant be arsed anymore.i could have been in a relationship but i choose not too.i dont miss the texting,why do they text so much?there bored s~~~less but im not.

[Anonymous 2]

I told her I’n ready for the next step in our relationship and ripped a huge fart. She laughed her ass off. I thought to myself “this isn’t so bad, in terms of effort”.

I’m spending zero effort on women that I don’t already f~~~. It’s pointless anyway. F~~~ing has to come first. THEN effort.

[hellraiderParticipant 2837]

why would you want to in the first place?

Would you want to be around a venomous snake all the time?

Most of the time they dont bite, but when they bite they make you feel like you want to die.

why do you want to go through all the circus of dating and marriage?

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Hello Morlock,

I rodger your post 100%. I made a thread about this exact same thing the other day. Reading your post was like reading a page of my own diary.

I really wish I could give you advice, but unfortunately I’m at the same impasse as you are yourself, but in lieu of advice I can extend you my complete empathy. Fortunately, as I can see, there are plenty of men here who can and are giving you advice.

As for me, I’ll certainly be doing my best to adopt Keymaster’s devil-may-care attitude: not to be more attractive to women (though I certainly wouldn’t complain if that happened), but because it seems the most likely to effect my future happiness.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[GrumpyParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

The idea that she is “out of my league” on any level is impossible and doesn’t compute

I use this concept to keep myself mildly amused about women.
She’s out of my league, hahaha

Why would she think her fantasy league is remotely real?

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Masculine_ManParticipant 2735]

I am at a similar place. My case is different because I am busy with my career and moving in a different direction I really do not have the time to pay attention to them. I also trade stocks in my free time and I constantly look for the next emerging company. So unless they want to talk finances, entrepreneurship, or careers (the real things not flirting) then I have no reason to strike up a convo.

Last, I saw a quote from one of my brothers here, “Do not stick your dick in anything you do not want to put up with for the next 18 years and 9 months.” Whenever there’s a woman that seems interesting, I measure her against that quote. The answer has always been no.

If it costs you your peace of mind, then it is too expensive.

[Escape VelocityParticipant 33]

i was about to make the same thread.even when i get good responses i end up saying “f~~~ this s~~~” in the back of my head.

to even think about how much life and time is wasted pursuing just exhausts me alone….the reality is you’re easily competing against 10- 20+ other men as soon as you initiate. you’re seen as a dog at who better be on his “best behavior “if u want ur treat. and the one who performs the most (ie wking, spending money, workhorsing) gets it

"Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place."-Robert Briffault

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