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Guys I need your help. Badly.
I met some new people and violated my rule to not go to clubs…
There was one spanish girl with them. She was quite attractive alhrough not exactly my type. And and the end of a night she made out with one of the guys (that previously proposed himself to other girl in front of her, but a very nice dude). They were kissing for about 20 minutes or longer. With such a passion. She was so into him. I just couldn’t stand it. I feel so bad about myself that I had to talk to someone. I talked to security officer for this 20 minutes (I had to wait for these couple because we all left something in her house) just to focus on something else… It was horrible.
It is not exactly fact that she choose him and not me. But this passion, how she touch him. You could see a pure desire. Well – I never got anything like that from any of my past girlfriends. Never. I just felt so inferior…
I am still kinda shaking, even considering fact that it happened few hours ago.
What is more I can attract women(I had some situation when women I desired gave me opportunities to have sex with them or at least pretended to). But my problem is… whenever I see that we can go intimate I face some invisible barrier – something is just saying inside me that if I will proceed with her and eventually have sex with her I will do a thing that is absolutely prohibited and is… like a crime.
Maybe this have some connection with fact that for most of my life I was living with my single mother(obviously I love her and don’t want to say bad words about her. It is just how it was). In the past I used to worship happiness of women and to be honest – I can feel in similar way to women… I don’t have a clue why I can’t change it but I simply cannot.
I feel so bad about myself – I feel bad that I am saying so much about myself and bothering you…
Can you please help me? I don’t really know how… But maybe
And yes – I am in my early twenties…
PS. You can call me pussy. You might be right. I can roughly say that I approached at least over a thousand people I don’t know, I did public speaking. I can approach anyone, anywhere. Maybe I am still a pussy, but at least quite socially one. Just when it comes to this situation…
PS2. You see I have thing that I want to dedicate myself to and it have nothing to do with women. It is a craft that I study and I love… I would love to just take a real pill that take away all my need for romance, lust, female approval etc. totally. And then focus on it.
You used me
To get ya anything you wanted
Oh...but I'm a changed man
It's your other friend that gets ya what you want now,,Bad Influence"
Robert CrayWhat are you feeling bad about? Him with her? That’s called life.
Her not with you? That’s called life.
Life is full of this s~~~. What seems awful now will be a blessing in the future …. when you see her hit the wall.
Concentrate on making yourself happy …. not depend on others for your happiness.
You will never be happy on other peoples time.
Stop f~~~ing your life up for a woman. You’re lucky she left you alone.
Be very careful what you wish for …. you just might get it.
Get your s~~~ together and build you life for you … NOT OTHERS.
Make something of yourself …. and women will jump on your c~~~ while taking your wallet.
Be cool, relax …. there’s nothing wrong with you.
Anonymous18I see 2 aspects of what you described.
One is your pedestalizing (spl?) of women. It’s quite common without a serious long term relationship (my guess you have never been in one) to believe in exactly what our mothers and media tell us – treat women with kindness and affection and they will reciprocate. It’s perhaps better for you to accept that women desire sex as much if not more than men. Like every other desire or need they have, its nicely sugar quoted. Gynocentric media is there to reinforce that.
Second aspect and that’s where I couldn’t fully relate to your “still kinda shaking” comment is that you would let some random woman’s action (or inaction) have such deep effect.
Take the worst case scenario. The guy she made out with was everything you are not. She saw in him what brought out the passion and desire in her. That from her perspective you could never have. What do you do? You get hurt from a girl who wasn’t your type in first place. What’s missing here?
You are seeking validation from a woman for the deeper human emotions that I sometimes doubt they can even feel but only mimic.
Why do you allow women to have that much power over you?
Did you make a move on her? If not, then it’s not like you were inferior at all. You have nothing to be irritated about unless you are mad at yourself for not making the move. Lose the “entitlement whoa is me complex” and you’ll be happier.
I was somewhat like that when I was younger. I thought because I am good looking, blue eyed, gym-toned, and have a dimple that chicks would just fall into my lap. But I noticed the dudes with game getting the chicks and I became somewhat envious. And then I had an epiphany when I heard a lyric from Heart of the City where Jay Z said: “Male shouldn’t be jealous that’s a female trait” and suddenly my b~~~~ dropped. And I manned up. And that’s that. I have not been jealous or envious for 13 years.
I don’t understand it myself… I saw many people kissing. They were just different. Don’t know how to describe it. Well she is probably close to the wall anyway because she is turning 27 now. And I left them both in her house (have to follow them because I left something at her place) so they did probably had sex.
I read many MGTOW articles, analyzed society. I know that there is no love. I thought that I had overcome need for romance and sex. Now I know that I just put in cage and locked. But now cage is broken…
Take the worst case scenario. The guy she made out with was everything you are not. She saw in him what brought out the passion and desire in her. That from her perspective you could never have. What do you do? You get hurt from a girl who wasn’t your type in first place. What’s missing here? You are seeking validation from a woman for the deeper human emotions that I sometimes doubt they can even feel but only mimic.
She was attractive sexually just not my favourite type (i prefer very slim women, not curvy ones – but it doesn’t matter). Well I don’t really know. I am guessing that this is just her passion. They looked so wild and passionate when they kissed these 20 min (obviously I spent most of the time talking to this security guy not looking at them). After I was walking back with them they both were jumping and saying how happy they are. In the past when I was younger I was not into all stuff boys liked (except metal music) – I loved romance stories, anime and movies. Well I think this is normal for a guy like me. Probably wild romance thing is just thing that I very deeply desire. Yet all women I was with either treated me like I matter nothing or make me jump through hoops many times before I got one short kiss or sex. In short I was a toy for all females I was with. I never noticed any passion in their eyes or lips…
I thought that I don’t need this for two years…
You used me
To get ya anything you wanted
Oh...but I'm a changed man
It's your other friend that gets ya what you want now,,Bad Influence"
Robert CrayDid you read my first comment? If by make move you mean go intimate I am unable to do this… I feel that I violate some invisible law if I will make steps to sleep with her. Even when it comes to kissing I suck – I only once in my life managed to kiss girl the same night I met her (I went for kiss many times with many girls. I obviously got rejected every time -1). Then I was with her under doors of her apartment and I left because… Of the reason from second sentence back. And she was exactly my type.
I am really mad myself that I waste these opportunities. I have a feel that I might run out of them. I probably will…
Cicero – I cannot get rid of some emotions at the switch of a button. I just suck as man and that’s it. I just need to feel…
Why I did not tried to kiss this girl myself:
1. As I said I don’t found her my type when we met. If I wouldn’t be on a dry spell I will probably never even notice her.
2. We were clubbing as a group but she was visibly into that guy and she spent most of her time with him. Also I was rejected multiple times in the past when I went for a kiss. All were quite traumatic for me… So If I will try to kiss her (in only moment available – when this guy went to the toilet) and she will not allowed me (She gave me no sign of being interested in me so…) and then after that she will kissed him I will probably start to feel really depressed.
3. I don’t wanted to became rejected because I was rejected to many times and I really don’t want to repeat that?
4. This guy consumed a lot of alcohol as did she and I was 100% sober because I don’t drink at all?
PS. You don’t need to tell me that I am an idiot. I know that, ok?
You used me
To get ya anything you wanted
Oh...but I'm a changed man
It's your other friend that gets ya what you want now,,Bad Influence"
Robert Cray
Anonymous18Probably wild romance thing is just thing that I very deeply desire. Yet all women I was with either treated me like I matter nothing or make me jump through hoops many times before I got one short kiss or sex. In short I was a toy for all females I was with. I never noticed any passion in their eyes or lips…
I will admit that is really uncharacteristic of a mghow. But the beauty of the beast is there are no strict boundaries or labels.
Having said that… lol I know … you want to fall in love and find passion in a woman’s eyes or lips. But ask yourself this, what do you have to offer for this passion? Cicero was right, “Lose the “entitlement whoa is me complex” and you’ll be happier”. If you believe that there is a woman who will love you for you and nothing else, and she will give you all your fantasies and what have you by being in relationship and love with you, then there are prostitutes that will give you the girlfriend experience. That’s the best one can get in this world. I would love to hear from someone who has lived a better reality.
With your introduction I could only decipher you want help in getting ass and using the wisdom from men here to get some.
I will admit that is really uncharacteristic of a mgtow. But the beauty of the beast is there are no strict boundaries or labels. Having said that… lol I know … you want to fall in love and find passion in a woman’s eyes or lips. But ask yourself this, what do you have to offer for this passion? Cicero was right, “Lose the “entitlement whoa is me complex” and you’ll be happier”. If you believe that there is a woman who will love you for you and nothing else, and she will give you all your fantasies and what have you by being in relationship and love with you, then there are prostitutes that will give you the girlfriend experience. That’s the best one can get in this world. I would love to hear from someone who has lived a better reality. With your introduction I could only decipher you want help in getting ass and using the wisdom from men here to get some.
Well you are right – I have nothing to offer. I am inferior to other men and that’s it. I would like to learn why is it like it but It is not okay to learn you because that will be using your wisdom to get pussy, right? Can’t you understand that this all thing is slightly more complicated than got pussy/didn’t get pussy.
I really put some faith in this forum as this is first time I said anybody so much about myself in the internet. I don’t want to get just ass because you can get it in multiple ways, not only by attracting girl in a club. I told you what I want.
And what I was hoping to get from you is wisdom how to stop desiring this thing. I gave you as many details as I could. I was trying to be 100% honest just to make it easier for you to tell me something. What I want is to get rid of these desire – not to learn how to feed it better. I want to just don’t give a s~~~ about romance. To get rid of all of mine delusions from years when I loved it. You can leave all your precious like gold tips of getting pussy to yourself. I just want to know how to don’t give a s~~~ about all pussies around and my lack of success with them.
Now I will decipher you iLearn – You want subconsciously to prove that you are just better than me and hope that you will be better mating option that I am. Well you are – was that a mystery from the beginning? You don’t have to push me down in order to became higher on social hierarchy ladder get more people to like you ok? I am not here to compete with you, yet you feel that I came to steal your precious secrets about women. You are saying that I am not a MGTOW (which is true – I am still developing on my way to it) just to cover your own weak spots. MGTOW are people – yet you still treat it like some sort of exclusive title like count or lord. I am not married and don’t want to and I am learning about social bias (don’t believe – check my other posts), I don’t do things for women, I don’t call men ,,gay” – so I have a right to take part in MGTOW community. Why to the hell do you have to use mgtow status as something exclusive in order to boost your ego?
I came here for help, and pretty much got to defend myself. Awesome, really awesome…
PS. If you want to use ,,stop playing victim card” – I am just pointing injustice, stop using feminists tricks in order to shame me ok?
You used me
To get ya anything you wanted
Oh...but I'm a changed man
It's your other friend that gets ya what you want now,,Bad Influence"
Robert CrayI am inferior to other men and that’s it.
I am going to call you on that ‘inferior to other men’ nonsense. It sounds to me like you are only young and inexperienced. Quit hitting yourself!
more throttle ..... less brakes.....
You are seeking validation from a woman for the deeper human emotions that I sometimes doubt they can even feel but only mimic.
If you want validation(always temporary) from women, you must open your wallet, it is just another form of prostitution, does that give you self worth?
And here’s the kicker, even if you have lots of money to buy her validation, she will leave at any chance for more money, and how would that affect your self worth? It’s a society of social hookers.
one of the guys (that previously proposed himself to other girl in front of her, but a very nice dude).
This is a PUA move, ignore the target and she will try to chase you, he tried to work or show interest in the other girl just to make the target wonder what was wrong with her, make her jealous, and wonder why he wasn’t chasing her.
Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.
you’re in a bad spot right now. you’re young, but not too young. the transition is rough. i remember in my late twenties the things i used to do for fun started to look ugly and empty. but for a while i kept doing them because i didn’t know what else to do. a year from now, all of this will be a year ago. time is on your side.
we’re prisoners of our social programming. the problems you’re describing in the end all come from a very good, soulful desire in your nature to be loved. that unfortunately makes you a very vulnerable person as most people will take advantage of it. you’re not going to find anything to meet that need in a night club, man. nor will you with any girl you’ll meet in those places. and especially not with any girl who acts like the one you’re describing.
i know it sounds very new age, but you’ve got to do two things to break the rut you’re one. first make the decision to be happy. no one can make you happy. you have to decide to be that way yourself. the world is an amazingly rich, complex place…your emotional state is really just a matter of focus. focus on those things in your life that bring you joy and give them your attention. and as for the things that don’t – they only deserve enough care from you in order to banish them from your presence and your mind. second make the decision to love yourself. and i’m not talking about the sort of unconditional mindless love results in girls saying we have to ‘love their curves’. i’m talking about the kind of love that results in right action and self respect. do right by yourself at all times. eat well, sleep well, exercise a bit. spend some money your money on yourself or someone who offered you help in a time of need, not on whores like the one you describe above. i think you’ll find that all of this will not only make you feel better but will also help you come to terms with the angst you’re feeling right now.
as for physical intimacy. sex is not going fix anything. let it be for a while. when you’re feeling better, address it if you like. but it sounds like now isn’t a good time.
you want to fall in love and find passion in a woman’s eyes or lips. But ask yourself this, what do you have to offer for this passion?
Well these one is right – so if other men have something to offer (I wish to know what it is, but I feel the same way) and I don’t then I am inferior. Should I not respect this if that is truth? And isn’t that proper thing to always look for mistakes inside myself? Because many people here are accusing me of blaming others what is not true – I wish all other people happiness, ok?
PS. Again – I am not trying to play victim. This is how I really feel. If you need to do some shaming, please leave…
You used me
To get ya anything you wanted
Oh...but I'm a changed man
It's your other friend that gets ya what you want now,,Bad Influence"
Robert CrayIf you need to do some shaming, please leave…
If you think that I am trying to ‘shame’ you. I apologize, but I think you missed my point. I am only trying to get you to quit being so hard on yourself.
more throttle ..... less brakes.....
No, I know you don’t – it was to prevent other guys from these topic of saying stupid things, because before you, Beef Supreme and BulletDodger came, guy called iLearn decided to like fact that I am weak and attacked me with false accusations (I am supposed to try to use you guys in order to extract precious knowledge of getting pussy. In other words he is trying to prove that I don’t seek help and support but want to manipulate you).
I am very grateful for your support felix… And BulletDodger and Beef Supreme. Thank you
You used me
To get ya anything you wanted
Oh...but I'm a changed man
It's your other friend that gets ya what you want now,,Bad Influence"
Robert CrayOP, you need to understand that your definition of “inferiority” is tied with whether or not women select you or not. This is what society wants you to believe. Whatever your friend is enjoying with this woman may make him “above” you for now, but has a 1% chance of actually lasting. You are witnessing temporary success of a mating ritual at a social venue but not thinking about the affects long term. Do not be discouraged. Understand that a woman’s charm will give her the power to choose a mate and make you feel inferior FOR NOW, but in 20-30 years that power will stripped from her, her increasing age, receding beauty, and wilting charm will be her worst enemies. Men don’t have this problem. Women desperately want men to believe that men can be “superior” to other men by being inferior to women. This is where their source of power and influence come from. Don’t focus on that false sense of superiority that you think will being you intimacy. Focus that passion and energy on improving and actualizing yourself and you will achieve a power that will last longer that petty human mating abilities. That power is peace of mind. It’s something the vast majority of women never have. Right now her and your friend kissing gives them a false sense of security and bliss, but not power. What they have is temporary. What you have as a MGHOW is self actualization and personal freedom by seeing past societal nonsense. Embrace this power. She doesn’t have it. You do.
I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.
You need to switch your game up.
You are not weaker than other men–you only perceive yourself to be. Why is that? Because you are allowing their interaction with women, or, rather, how a woman or women interact with other men, to define your character and self worth. Don’t let women or a woman-centric society define you and who you are as a person. You need some kind of confidence booster. It’s all in your head bro.
Anonymous18you want to fall in love and find passion in a woman’s eyes or lips. But ask yourself this, what do you have to offer for this passion?
Well these one is right – so if other men have something to offer (I wish to know what it is, but I feel the same way) and I don’t then I am inferior. Should I not respect this if that is truth? And isn’t that proper thing to always look for mistakes inside myself? Because many people here are accusing me of blaming others what is not true – I wish all other people happiness, ok? PS. Again – I am not trying to play victim. This is how I really feel. If you need to do some shaming, please leave…
Brother, I didn’t say it clearly. I meant all women are after is what men have to offer. Not you in particular. I wasn’t strictly asking your value in defining how accessible a woman of desire is to you. My version of truth is no woman falls in love for who he is but rather what she stands to gain from that particular man. That’s not what I had in my blue pill mind. But once I recognized female nature, I realized I will never enough to offer them. Never. There is always a ladder that’s higher up, gives them a better view. Hypergamy is real
Men don’t have this problem. Women desperately want men to believe that men can be “superior” to other men by being inferior to women. This is where their source of power and influence come from.
I agree a 1000%.
Again, my apologies if I came across as rude or offensive
guy called iLearn decided to like fact that I am weak and attacked me with false accusations
My experience is for any girl I had a crush on she was with a guy who had more to offer. Whether that was a car in high school, or some cool DJ who got to perform at celebrities parties, etc etc. If I ever want to sleep with a girl in near future that’s the first question I will ask myself: What do I have to offer her? That’s female nature from where I stand.
You will be fine: my advice (and I feel like an old fart (Im 27) now writing it) … relax.
Don’t rush the relationships, work on your life and future.
There will always be 20 year old girls for you 🙂 Take care of yourself and Im sure you will be fine, or atleast, with time will not care as much haha.
18 years old I think was a peak, when I wanted to date. After that, I didn’t care as much. I find females attractive, It’s jut not a priority at all, I conditioned myself and learned more about what I care and not.
Do what you like and you will be happy. What you feel is not abnormal, its fine, I went trough same s~~~. Now Im chill about it.
from Tom Leykis (not a direct quote) : When girls that didn’t find you attractive or gave you s~~~ will be at 40+ years old, you will date their young 20 years old daughters instead.
By that time you will have education, job, good income, time, KNOWLEDGE and serenity at what you love to do, and how you live. They will find you more attractive, as you made yourself better etc. and will hunt for you hehehe. Relax, If you don’t win a Battle right now, doesn’t mean you will lose a War later on, If you will care at all 🙂
Im sure you will be fine.
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Seriously, save the money you’re not going to use at nightclubs.Use it to get yourself a good hooker and get some f~~~ing training done.
"This happens every time one of these floozies starts poontangin' around with those show folk fags. - Sheriff Buford T. Justice"
Poor lad, he is stuck in the Purgatory of the C~~~ Carousel of 20-something women. Ignore them until you are 30, if still interested proceed with caution. After 30 they will start chasing you, but that is a double edged sword.
Sovereignty above all else.
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