I don't get the "bulk of men should marry" argument.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I am trying to deal with my life and getting things working. I have dropped out of trying to be concerned with what the rest of society does, and how I can impact it. It is mind my own business, get myself resources, try not to be a burden, and maybe help where I can. I think that is called “being an adult”.

But then when discussion about MGTOW comes out, out comes the “what about the children?” and worrying about collective path of society, declining birthrates and so on. And you will get a comment about, “Most men should get married and have children”. I ran into this recently in the comment section of YouTube, where the Tradcon with a religious background said he saw MGTOW as “pointless” and brought up “a bulk of men should marry”, and women and men are needed to advance society and keep it running.

Ok, here is what I don’t get. How does anyone be able to reasonably calculate what is viable in regards to who should become a parent, and get married? How can one say “most” or whatever? It is like a bunch of “should” wishful thinking on how things OUGHT to be, for the sake of some general well-being of the survival of society. Such individuals can’t do anything about how it is going to turn out, outside of projecting how things “should be”. So, how can they speak about what the whole of society is doing?

I am thinking this is Blue Pill collective thinking, and I have stepped away from it. I just don’t get how anyone can even remotely base anything on what the world is doing, and the “should marry” argument. All I know is I am in no place to marry now, on a ton of levels. I figure anyone in my boat just needs to tend to their own business, and not worry about the world. Why bother holding any other opinion about things I can’t control. In short, I can’t speak to who “should marry” or not. I just know where I am. I am not responsible for the survival of the human race, just myself.

So, that is what I don’t get now at all here. I don’t understand the argument. I think I used to not understand it either, BUT I ended up holding it. That does seem Blue Pill for me, to hold views as true you have no reason to understand why about.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous 3]

A gynocratic society is purely concerned with continued elevation and comfort of females. So no matter how the argument or discussions are framed, it will always be purely for the benefit of females.

There is zero point in wasting time discussing it. Women, and beta males as well, have consistently shown they have zero integrity, logic, or respect for men. No amount of evidence or skilled argument that even leads to a concession by team woman will ever stick. Women never hold themselves to their own words, while picking out things from decades ago to attack men with.

This is simply how things are. This is why the very idea of “equality” is an utter joke. It is impossible to give women any authority whatsoever because they will ruin it all. It is a perversion of nature and order.

When men become weak, they raise women above them. And at that point, no individual man can do a thing about it. Your only option is MGTOW. I do not waste my time discussing things with most men. I will not get married or operate in society “normally” when society is what it is. That is the only choice I myself have, and so I take it.

I do not spend much money and talk to very few people. I truly have few friends now, perhaps nobody I can really consider as such. I do not fit into this world, and I have heard similar sentiments from other religious people who I can easily talk to for hours as if we are best friends that always see each other, even if we speak every decade or so. This is simply how things are.

Do not marry in the West if you do not want to do so. I think for most men it never makes any sense. I do hear talk of it occasionally, but most people respect me and when I tell them I have no interest they drop it, and those that know me well also speak on those terms. “If he is interested, he will ask me, we should not do anything on our own.” I understand at least for me it is with a misguided interest in my benefit, but that is why it’s so easy for me to shut it down.

Demand respect from others and consistently act in a way that people have no choice but to respect you, and the rules change a bit. Some people will never respect you, those people you must cut off and not engage with.

[hmskl’dParticipant 6410]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

And you will get a comment about, “Most men should get married and have children”…. and brought up “a bulk of men should marry”, and women and men are needed to advance society and keep it running.

There is a popular psychologist/speaker (I won’t mention his name) .. who says in his seminars ‘paraphrasing’ …. “The best thing an individual can do for society (the people around them) is to find his/her own unique path and take it. Doing what you love and love what you are doing will give you the greatest chance of reaching your specific goals, and in turn …both directly and indirectly contributing to the world around you.”

… my path does not include marriage, children, etc. and the list goes on and on … but over the course of a lifetime; possibly contribute in other ways.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

This is an easy one. the rich and powerful people that run the world have developed multiple ways of keeping the rest of us yoked to their exploitive economic system. Shaming people into feeling responsible for all of society is one of these ways.
Good for you for being able to reject their b.s.

I consider there is a fixation on survival above every other value, and society built a system to keep things intact, even if doing this will crush the individual under its boots. And then there is the shame and collective guilt out there, to keep things going. I think this may count as a Red Pill experience for me, unplugging from all that. I do honestly like to know when, when my life shows it doesn’t work.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

There will always be those who insist that sacrifices be made “for the sake of society” or whatever. Of course they intend that others be sacrificed, never themselves. Most of these “people” are women. A few have a Y chromosome, but they cannot be considered men.

A man does not sacrifice other men for his own comfort and convenience.

And a society that cannot justify its existence to its own people, but rather must perpetuate itself by consuming them, does not deserve to continue.

[aeragoanParticipant 1186]

They cannot be able to seen us happy…and becoming successful ..envious manginas lol

[RoyDalParticipant]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

I consider there is a fixation on survival above every other value, and society built a system to keep things intact, even if doing this will crush the individual under its boots.

Survival of the species is my take too. All those justifications are after the fact disguises for our basic urge to reproduce.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[WolveParticipant 191]

Could should would might will am able to all nonsensical words if said to another and many times even if said to oneself. They’re just really pushing their own habits and oh god am I going to regret calling it this but ‘ideals’ onto others the mangina’s that is. You can ignore their assumptions and if they somehow actually wanted to do something or have something done about it they might as well do something about the actual problems and reasons MGTOW became MGHOWs in the first place so no need to take the people telling anyone to go marry seriously.

[HitmanParticipant]

spit out that poison ! OUT i say , OUT ! into their faces ..let THEM make kids ..lemme tell ya , i got one and to see a child suffer from mommy’s desicion to divorce will drive ya MAD ! and make minor spelling errors …..( deeep breath …) ..o.k. better ..it just aint your job to re-stock society when it thanks you with arrest , legal debt , corruption , ..hope that helped make sense of their messege .. F~~~ THEM ! how’s that ?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

But in reality, our society has become a vehicle mostly about the survival of the ELITES of the species, for the rest of us they prescribe population control.
what you guys are talking about is true too, people will cooperate to survive, but those sorts of natural societies look very different from the monstrousity we are experiencing now.

What we have now is neo-liberal globalized markets that treat individuals as replaceable cogs, without any connect to any other tribe. Each cog is left to fend for itself, and there isn’t any sort of impact you do personally that really impacts your tribe, and you don’t have a tribe that covers your back. Any semblance of family is barely anything now, overall, but some sort of niceness that the world does to be social and acceptable. We don’t have tribes, but the idea of marrying and having kids is residue of that thought, and the delusion that a nuclear family will save society or something. The tribe was booted out decades ago in the west. Third-world areas still have it, and you have areas like Japan that are still collectivist culturally. But, what you see with Japan is the Herbivores in revolt against the lack of future prospects..

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

Please forget about pleasing others. Do what makes YOU happy.
Look inside you- what makes you happy?
See things as they are.
It would be great if females were loving creatures who cared about you and your happiness.
Unfortunately, most of them instead care about your wallet.

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