I could never tell her no

[Anonymous 43]

Brothers, I was married almost 11 years.

In that time I can not remember ever saying no to anything she wanted until she tried to buy a house with a scrapbooking business in it for $700,000. I told her no to a $5000 camera set a few weeks before. The camera episode was absolutely off the hook in terms of rage. She bought camera magazines, printed out reviews, and sales flyers from websites, everything to get me to go along with this bad decision. After 10 years of going along to get along, I could see no reason to get something this extravagant and useless.

lol My daughter studies photography, and she has that $5000 camera.

I never thought I could tell her no. She worked and made the money, I stayed home and watched the kids. Even when it came time to buy our house, I didn’t like it much, it was too expensive I thought. I said no, and she looked me in the eye and said everything will be ok. We had a lot of unpaid expenses, a baby and babysitting. We were both working. we had student loans, car payments, credit cards, and now a house payment.

What she never understood was every time I went to visit my parents, they would sneak out to my car and put a bundle of cash in the glove box. That is how we survived the early years of home ownership, cash infusion ex machine. My parents also bought our furniture. Her parents both sets, didn’t do s~~~, except for come over and take up space, eat our food, and oh yeah they did s~~~ in the toilet. Never came over to help with anything, maybe help put the cover on the pool…wooooow, put a tarp on the pool.

I rarely told the c~~~ “no” because I didn’t think I had a say. A few times I was given the its my money I spend it how I want and if you don’t like it, tough s~~~, or she would drive into a bridge abutment, or flat out threaten with divorce.

It is that kind of coercive power that a woman has over a stay at home dad that doomed my marriage. Giving up my sovereignty was the absolutely worst decision made after the other worse decision, marrying the c~~~ who trapped me with an oops baby.

I hope someone reads this little nugget, and thinks

before getting married

and

becoming a stay at home dad

what exactly that man is in for. The perils are many, and the benefits few, except you decide how the children is raised and what is taught. I believe my kids will be eternally grateful later for what I taught them. I hope what I gave them was enough to help them survive single mother life.

[wyrParticipant 591]

Now you’re back in the game and living for you. I imagine you appreciate your sovereignty more than I appreciate mine, given your past.

Self-improvement is my religion. Sovereignty is my god.

[bladeParticipant]

In the last year of my relations~~~ my ex stepped up her game for me to buy her a bmw . Like a child when told NO the tantrums escalated .

I knew it was over and be f~~~ed if i was going to be screwed even harder .

My exes family . Oh boy what a pack of f~~~ ups . All made up of manginas and masters . I never fitted in lol .

Flew a electric remote controlled chopper into the mother in law . F~~~ing c~~~ of a thing

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Anonymous 43]

Do I appreciate my own sovereignty now? omg yes!

When I met the c~~~ I had no clue, just live day to day whatever, give up what I want ok, just keep me safe, fed and sexed up. Fine. You make a ton of money, great. Until it got stupid. Until I wanted more for myself than at home parent. I am more than this, and I want my share.

I can’t tell you how crushed I was when she demanded a second child 3 years after the first one. I wanted to go back to school then, nope, stay home and change s~~~ diapers, teach this child everything, forget what you want. delayed another 6 years. great 6 years with my kids, won’t help me with retirement much.

Maybe not too late for me yet…a high income job in a few years will help. I need to develop something amazing, something that women can not live without, some high profit thing to capitalize upon their hypergamy, narcissism and solipsism and make money for everyone who works with me and for me.

I don’t know what it is, yet. something better than smartphones and internet. Something that will absolutely crush everything in it’s path, and maybe reset how men and women treat each other.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Anonymous wrote:

Maybe not too late for me yet…a high income job in a few years will help. I need to develop something amazing, something that women can not live without, some high profit thing to capitalize upon their hypergamy, narcissism and solipsism and make money for everyone who works with me and for me.

I don’t know what it is, yet. something better than smartphones and internet. Something that will absolutely crush everything in it’s path, and maybe reset how men and women treat each other.

A narcissism-powered orgasm machine? Something that can collect the bozo-rays that women emanate?

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t know what it is, yet. something better than smartphones and internet. Something that will absolutely crush everything in it’s path, and maybe reset how men and women treat each other.

A male sexbot…

a money counterfeiting machine with a dick like the late John Holmes had…

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

I rarely told the c~~~ “no” because I didn’t think I had a say. A few times I was given the its my money I spend it how I want and if you don’t like it, tough s~~~, or she would drive into a bridge abutment, or flat out threaten with divorce.

Any time a woman drops the D word, call her fluff. She’s threatening you. AND threatening you with the most life changing thing she can threaten with. She doesn’t give a s~~~. To her, it’s another card in her hand to play. A last resort. She has no remorse about it, and will play it any time she thinks she has to until she finally does. There’s no reason for you to tolerate that s~~~. When she threatens with divorce, the response should be “the kids are staying here, but you can take you s~~~ and get the f~~~ out! I’m going to treat your threats like promises. So go upstairs, pack your s~~~, and get the f~~~ out. Go use YOUR money, and stay in a hotel.” If you really want to act a pick, if you have access to her plastic cards, as soon as she walks out the door, call the card companies up and cancel them. Make sure she has to pay cash for that hotel.

[Anonymous 43]

I rule

I just wasn’t mentally and emotionally strong enough to do that. I couldn’t stop her from doing what she wanted…my job ceased to be husband and partner, and evolved into roommate/employee taking care of the kids and the house, and laundry. why would the woman I loved do such horrible things to me unless I was s~~~ to begin with. I made her hurt me or I made her angry and she deserved to do whatever. I trusted her to make decisions in the best interest of the family.

my God I was a moron. I didn’t have the skills to have a job that would support a family, but together, she and I would be stronger/better equipped to make things work. I had no business being with a woman, let alone get her pregnant. we had compatible body parts.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

I rule

I just wasn’t mentally and emotionally strong enough to do that. I couldn’t stop her from doing what she wanted…my job ceased to be husband and partner, and evolved into roommate/employee taking care of the kids and the house, and laundry. why would the woman I loved do such horrible things to me unless I was s~~~ to begin with. I made her hurt me or I made her angry and she deserved to do whatever. I trusted her to make decisions in the best interest of the family.

my God I was a moron. I didn’t have the skills to have a job that would support a family, but together, she and I would be stronger/better equipped to make things work. I had no business being with a woman, let alone get her pregnant. we had compatible body parts.

But you’re developing those skills here, and being armed with the knowledge so that when you find yourself in that position (hopefully not), you can set a different outcome for yourself. The simple fact she by her actions, made it clear that she was the man of the house, and you were the woman set the precedence.

That’s how a woman reverses the roles and exerts authority. Once a woman has any advantage over her partner, she has the power to overturn the dynamics in the relationship. Moreso if the man stands by and lets her. Becoming MGTOW is more than just being able to say “no”. Anyone can say “no”. It’s about developing the confidence and ability to stand up for yourself and put your foot down. In all facets of life. Not just in dealing with women.

When a woman threatens with divorce, she’s on the offensive. The key is to put her on the defensive. That’s why you punt the ball back in her face and say “if that’s the way you want it, get your s~~~ and get out.” Now she’s the one reeling, and having to adjust to the circumstances because you just put your foot down and said “I’m not a pillow. You’re not gonna steamroll over me. I’m a linebacker, and I have 250lbs of resistance slamming into your bulls~~~ with mach force.”

Women are all about psychology. And part of that psychology is using, and being able to manipulate emotions. When you demonstrate that you see through their bulls~~~, it’s game over.

[Anonymous 43]

oh, now ya tell me….lol

nope, I do not expect a woman in my life any closer than the chick handing me a sandwich at Jimmy Johns.

[From The AshesParticipant 149]

Guys, do not TUNA me here…

May72020, it sounds like you have lived the housewife life. It was not all it was made up to be. She lorded it over you, and made you feel like a grub on the floor.

Here’s the kicker, what normal man with a stay at home wife would have made her feel the same? Would he have appreciated a wife that took care of his house and family, and showered her with love and a life that others looked on in envy, or called her all kinds of c~~~ for doing something nice and good for him and his children?

I think we all know the answer. A man truly appreciates the things that he earns and is given, a woman only see it and thinks “how can I get more”?

I’m what we call a “married MGTOW” which sounds like an oxymoron to the guys who’ve never been in chains, and the ones who’ve escaped. I see the other side, but I’m bound by honor to my children NOT to leave them in the sole care of the BPD person I mistakenly married while stupid and young. I hang on to keep them in my care 24/7 as it were, a courtesy I would not be afforded by the courts in Canada. My children would grow up knowing me as the deadbeat dad who could not afford to pay for their every whim mother prmomised. I could also not afford to come visit them due to the onerous usury I’d be saddled with via alimony and child support.

So I stay.

Breadwinner, but no winner.

It sucks, but I do it for my boys.

[NerdTunnelerParticipant]

Thanks for sharing May…I dont know if it helps but your story helps us who are also in s~~~ and feeling s~~~ to be able to analyze our own self..Heck, it allowed me to see that I too was enabling childish and selfish behavior in my x because I was too afraid to say no….They are very clever at manipulating and using tears to get what they want…F~~~ it, they destroyed my manhood by slowly taking me apart piece by piece with me smiling like fool while she was doing that and telling me to trust her…
NEVER AGAIN…We will rebuild what they have destroyed and heck will I ever put up with their lies and manipulation again…NO…I rebuild it strong with strong doses of red pill foundation…

I stand with feet apart and let my balls hang free...Manginas dont have balls...See how they stand and sit at the whim of their masters...

[AttonParticipant]

The oops baby aka I have taken my Birth control in a half year.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[DiogenesParticipant 373]

Anybody who has been married to a woman with BPD should be grateful to have been a stay-at-home father.

When your BPD gets to stay at home and be alone with the kids, like mine did, there is untold wreckage and ruin she can inflict upon them and you.

The kids are little innocents living with a raging, red-fanged devil who they love in their innocence but who hates them as soon as they start to get independent and who hates your very guts from the inside out, from start to finish. And she is quite fulfilled by imparting that hatred of you into their innocent minds all day long, every day.

There is no upside to being married to a BPD. There is only a choice between less or more damage. The nature of that choice can vary hour-to-hour, and you constantly live in the uncertainty of never knowing what the choice for the lesser damage will be. And so, you have to find a way to live with how it turns out. That’s all.

[bladeParticipant]

From The Ashes wrote:

Guys, do not TUNA me here…

May72020, it sounds like you have lived the housewife life. It was not all it was made up to be. She lorded it over you, and made you feel like a grub on the floor.

Here’s the kicker, what normal man with a stay at home wife would have made her feel the same? Would he have appreciated a wife that took care of his house and family, and showered her with love and a life that others looked on in envy, or called her all kinds of c~~~ for doing something nice and good for him and his children?

I think we all know the answer. A man truly appreciates the things that he earns and is given, a woman only see it and thinks “how can I get more”?

I’m what we call a “married MGTOW” which sounds like an oxymoron to the guys who’ve never been in chains, and the ones who’ve escaped. I see the other side, but I’m bound by honor to my children NOT to leave them in the sole care of the BPD person I mistakenly married while stupid and young. I hang on to keep them in my care 24/7 as it were, a courtesy I would not be afforded by the courts in Canada. My children would grow up knowing me as the deadbeat dad who could not afford to pay for their every whim mother prmomised. I could also not afford to come visit them due to the onerous usury I’d be saddled with via alimony and child support.

So I stay.

Breadwinner, but no winner.

It sucks, but I do it for my boys.

Dude i feal for ya . Your a good man in my books and i know you are a great dad .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[MonkParticipant 16995]

Anonymous wrote:

A few times I was given the its my money I spend it how I want and if you don’t like it, tough s~~~, or she would drive into a bridge abutment, or flat out threaten with divorce.

25 years ago, I was thinking of marrying someone, but stepped back and looked into my crystal ball.

I saw that her attachment to her ‘career’, our differing incomes, and the inevitability of children, meant that I was going to end up as a house-husband.

I baled.

[JVBParticipant]

It’s all good bro. Put it in the rear view and live for you now. You’re free brother!!

Peace is > piece.

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

I believe my kids will be eternally grateful later for what I taught them.

No doubt they will Sir. You did what you thought was the right thing at the time. With no way to reign in her spending due to the “it’s my money” s~~~ you did not have a chance. Any woman with any power will eventually feel the need to weald it. Keep looking towards the future. 5/7/2020.

[OldschoolParticipant 2481]

I gave everything to my ex and never said no. That trailer and golf cart, she wanted it. The list goes on and on. Look where it got me. Never F~~~IN AGAIN will I fall for the marriage bulls~~~. But I gotta say that trailer fits well with my new lifestyle.

Get a vasectomy.

[Remove me!Participant]

After reading your post, first thing I thought was, so she was the main wage earner, and you were a stay at home dad? ALIMONY AND CHILD SUPPORT!!!!!

If I were in that position and she said she wanted a divorce, I’d say great idea, I’ll get a great lawyer tomorrow on a credit card you’re gonna be paying off anyway.

Good luck bud!

Like a bird on the wire, like a drunk midnight choir, I have tried in my way to be free.

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