I consider myself a feminist…

[long_goneParticipant 2]

…in the original sense of the word.  I hope for equality, but it seems like modern feminists are more interested in superiority.  I try to distance myself from the word now.  It’s become dirty.

I’d like to see equality in every sense of the word.  I’d like to see the wage gap shrink to nothing.  I’d like to see both sexes forced to register for Selective Service in the US.  I’d like to see equal treatment from the Dept. of Child Support Services.

DCSS is a big one.. I’ve moved a couple times since I was divorced in 2006 and when I’ve tried to update my address with them like a decent person so they can get in touch with me they tell me that they’ll assign an agent to verify the factuality of my request.  Six months pass, no change.  I finally gave up and talked to my ex (we’re able to speak as semi-normal people now, thankfully) and got her to lie and tell them that she discovered my new address through nefarious means.  It was changed instantly.  A non-custodial parent (read: male) is treated like dirt.  I actually have to convince someone to lie in order to convince DCSS to accept the truth so that I can act as a responsible parent should.

I’ve offered to just take custody of our son when she was talking about going through hard times, and she’d never even have to pay me child support.  We can also skip all of this visitation rights silliness too, she can just see him whenever she wants.  The problem is that I’m paying more than it costs to support a child, so she’ll lose income if that happens.  It’s all about the Benjamins, baby.  What’s “fair” is that I pay more money than it costs to raise him, and I only get to see him four days a month.  Fewer, actually, because I pay extra on the side to support his baseball team and he has practice on my weekends with him.  Suggesting a more equitable arrangement is heresy.  If she offered me the same terms I’d take them in a heartbeat, but, you know..  I wouldn’t be giving her cash, so that’s not happening.

Another fun story about DCSS, the ex had them hit me up for an increase in child support a couple years ago.  She did this knowing I’d been laid off and had no income at the time.  She didn’t file anything until I told her I was in trouble.  I’m sure this makes sense to someone, somewhere, but I really don’t get it.  Anyway, they came after me.  I looked up the state law and quoted section and paragraph asking for a hearing to discuss this because I was out of work and certainly didn’t have $900/mo to pay… for one child…  I never heard back from anyone until one morning my ex woke me up with a phonecall asking me why I wasn’t in court.  As it turns out, they’re apparently not required to notify me of a court date because I have a penis.  91% of cases award custody to the mother here, regardless of her situation, and they’re only legally required to notify the custodial parent about a court date.  Tell me this system isn’t designed to screw one party and reward the other.  The judge gave the ex/DCSS a default judgement because I wasn’t there to defend myself, because nobody bothered to mention the court date, because f~~~ the evil male oppressors, they have it coming.  To put things in perspective, the total expected contribution for both parents is $916 per child.  I’m expected to pay all but $16 of this each month because her “expected contribution” is lowered because she’s gotten knocked up a few more times by her new husband.  It’s not that I’m forced to subsidize her kids with her new husband, because that wouldn’t be fair, but I’m still forced to subsidize her kids with her new husband in the interest of fairness.  “Gosh, I’m so sorry you’re all kinds of pregnant and poor because you have a bajillion kids.  That really sucks.  Which part of this is my responsibility though?  I’ve fathered one and he’s awesome.  I’m good, I’ve stopped there.” “All of it, give me the moneys, the court demands it!  Witness the court math!”

After all this, I still consider myself a feminist in a sense, but that also requires us to dismantle all of the unfair/c~~~centric laws sponsored and enforced by angry women in the name of equality who took s~~~ jobs with DCSS for the sake of having power over men in bad situations.  At heart I’m an equalist.  I want real equality and responsibility for everyone.  These stupid entitled bints want power without responsibility in the name of equality because it’s really easy to redefine “equality” to suit your own agenda while pretending to be politically correct and gain all of the benefits without the consequences.

Haven’t mentioned it yet but for the record I’m 38.  I was engaged for 6 years and married for another 6.  We dated for another 2 before that.  I thought surely after 8 years she wouldn’t go psycho on me, it’s probably safe to get married because we knew each other and had lived together for a long time and everything was cool.  Also, marriage seemed to matter a lot to her and to me it’s a piece of paper that doesn’t change the way I feel, so I went along with it.  I thought I was being very cautious because I’d seen the craziness women can pull when I was younger.  NOPE.  The official excuse was “irreconcilable differences” (who let that through?) and apparently knowing I wasn’t Christian but rather agnostic for the 14 years we were together wasn’t enough time to think it through, so the subtext was claimed to be religious because Jesus wanted her to sleep around on me and take lots of drugs and infect me with an STD (fortunately curable) and become a groupie for some lame glam rock band and get ditched in random places around the country while she was wasted because of reasons (she annoyed them so they ditched her, she called random people (myself included) asking if they knew where she was) while I took care of our son.  I’m so glad she’s saved, because she really needs it, but she could no longer bear the thought of me, a dirty agnostic, going to hell, even though I there taking care of our son for weeks while she was out partying.  She came home sobbing, but still..  I was a bad person, therefore divorce.  The court agreed because of the penis or whatever and also I’m going to hell.  I didn’t even have anything worth taking, but she fought hard for my CD collection and I gave up and let her have it.  The important point is that she got custody of our son.

I’ve never spoken or even implied a word of this to my son because I want him to enjoy his childhood, but he’s not stupid.  He’s actually really observant.  He’s looked at me and my ex and her husband and he’s figured out how things work.  They’re both big football fans and were encouraging him to aspire to join the NFL as a living because that’s a reasonable career goal that people do all the time as a lark.  This is not something that responsible parents encourage without a backup plan, but apparently being a geek is a bad thing and must be avoided at all costs.  Finally the other day he hit me with, “Daddy, I think I want to be an engineer,”  (I’m a “software engineer” but it’s not real engineering, just a title for dudes who write code, and I dropped out of undergrad because of marriage and support and such so I had to get into the field the hard way), “but software looks boring.  I want to work with electronics instead.  Also, I don’t ever want to get married.  I do want to have kids, but I think I’ll just adopt a boy on my own so I don’t ever have to worry about anyone else messing things up.  I just want to design things and sell them and treat my son really well and never have to worry about anyone else causing me problems and we can have fun forever.”

This is both the happiest and the saddest thing I’ve ever heard.  I wish things looked happier for him in terms of relationships, but I think this is the most positive approach he could possibly take given the circumstances.

This is why I’m going my own way.  I didn’t even know this was a thing until I googled it, I just decided to opt out because it wasn’t worth it anymore.  I have female friends, and they’re great friends, but I keep it at that level as a matter of self-defense.  I don’t want to risk having to deal with another situation like this ever again, the thought actually terrifies me.  I hope things are better for my son when he grows up, but I think he has a solid plan in place in case it doesn’t happen.  He’s 10 and he already sees through the bulls~~~.  I’m happy that he’s seen me recover from the divorce, focus on my career, make good money and enjoy doing my own thing, and that I only ever have problems when the ex enters the picture.  He gets it.  I’ve been the example of what not to do as well as the example of how to recover from it.  Thankfully it helped someone I care about, and I never had to say a word against her.

That said, I wouldn’t undo these events.  Even though this situation seems terrible to me, my son makes it all worth it.  It’s not like I have the power to change things, but even if I could change things I’d keep my son and deal the the consequences.

I’ve been with women since my divorce and had feelings for some of them, even been engaged once in a moment of weakness, but I’m repulsed by the thought of giving them any kind of power over me.  They don’t even need a reason to cash out and ruin me, just the desire to, and all I’ve gained in the meanwhile is the privilege of buying them things and busting a nut.  It’s been fun, thanks, but I can bust a nut myself for free.  No hard feelings, but that’s it.  I don’t see the point anymore.  Good game.  You do the best you can on your own and embrace your empowerment for all it’s worth and I’ll cheer you on from the sidelines while I do the best I can and we’ll see who comes out ahead.  Just don’t ask anything of me while I do my thing.  I’d rather jerk off than deal with you.

 

[Anonymous 11]

long_gone wrote:

After all this, I still consider myself a feminist in a sense

Welcome long_gone. You are by now quite familiar with the way modern women manage to both have their cake and eat it too. All of us have had that day when the switch flips, and we’ve had enough. Things are getting so bad that even young children like your son are catching on to it. That and your story made my jaw drop. They will invent any excuse it takes to do whatever they want to do. They behave as children do.

I consider feminism a cancer on society. It was sold as equality to make it soft and palatable to the masses. Now, we are playing out the end game of it, and the fruits are very bitter. I’ve intuitively hated feminism since I was a young boy over 40+ years ago. I do not hate women even the ones that took advantage of me in my blue pill days. Going red pill lets you see them as they are and adjust accordingly. They are what they are.

I’d ask myself why I still consider myself a feminist though. What do you gain from it? Were you using it as a crutch to try to fit in with women? Work on your red pill skills as that is the path to true freedom.

I absolutely detest feminism in all forms as it has hurt women, men, and children. Does this mean I think women should be chattel? No, however things have gone way too far though.

[Anonymous 42]

@ long-gone, equality with a the child like mind of woman is impossible! Men over woman is a stable environment! Equality has only delivered mental anguish, psychosocial infirmity, and the destruction of justice! Anymore EQUALITY than that which we have already endured, will only serve to utterly destroy the Western World! Feminism is not only a cancer, it’s all that we see wrong in this world! You may conciser yourself a feminist of some sort, that’s your prerogative!

As for myself, I see feminism as a monstrous perversion of natural law! I am the feminazi slayer! I allow not one trace of feminism to exist within my realm! F~~~ YOU, AND YOUR PROMOTION OF FEMINISM! You’re nothing more to me than a S~~~ TEST! You behave like a fool serving the interests of feminism! I’ll have no part of accepting any sort of equality! MEN ARE FAR MORE SUPERIOR THAN WOMEN! There is no equality!

[Vector VikingParticipant 413]

Feminism in any sense has never been about equality.

That’s why they never called themselves egalitarians. We already had that. Feminism is about raising the cultural and political power of one group above another so that more resources can be taken from the group that has a natural tendency to work harder for them.

[Anonymous 9]

I’m all for equality. But it needs to be across the board. Not just where it benefits one sex or the other. I find it has given me a little more “emotional ” freedom. I can say “no, I won’t work with her because I am scared that she will tear her shirt and say I attacked her.” With the workplace safety regs. here in Alberta I am able to refuse work that I deem unsafe, both physically and mentally.  I worked with a man hating lesbian feminist and have used this card.

If I slap a woman it is considered abuse by society. Equality would say if she slaps me it TOO would be considered abuse.

I don’t think true equality is possible.

Men can learn to do things like cook, sew, re-arrange the furniture weekly, but………….we will never be able to give birth. And…..according to my ex is a good thing or there would only be 1 child per family because we are smart enough to say “f~~~ that hurt, that ain’t happening again  ” and go our own way.  But as men, we’re not going to lobby society and say we’re victims because we can’t give birth.

We start out the same in the womb and learn as we go. A little girl learns she can get her way with tears and little boy gets to man up or is given something to cry about.

 

 

[RoyDalParticipant]

@GotSmart, ditto bro! I agree completely. If the deck were not stacked and all the cards marked, then I would have stayed in the game of courting females for marriage.

As a smarty-pants once said, “Look around the table. If you can’t figure out who the sucker is, it’s you!”

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

The comeback “But I am a feminist – I am for equal rights” can be a good comeback when you’re dealing with a situation when something gynocentric is expected of you. It steals and hijacks their frame and opens up their eyes to hypocrisies and double standards of a true feminism which has nothing to do with equal rights.
This is the only instance I could see myself identifying with this word

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[RennieParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

I’ve intuitively hated feminism since I was a young boy over 40+ years ago.

Me too, even as a young boy, I knew that this yet to be defined attitude and behavior of women and girls(later known as feminism), was evil, vile, filthy and just completely wrong.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Work with me for a second….

While feminism is totally f~~~ing putrid and disgusting, there is one important plus that I embrace wholeheartedly. The liberation of men and the taxation / enslavement of women who think they are “equal” to men. Just how many years will it take for women to face the back of a cubicle to realize how feminism is failure – for WOMEN.

Observe the feminist argument and you will see one glaring hypocrisy:

• “Men are pigs”.
• “Men are scum”.
• “Women are EQUAL to men”.

MANCLUSION: “Women are equal to pigs and scum”.

That’s not just hilarious. It’s a metaphor for something true.

Feminism misled and lied to women and told them they are “oppressed” – instead of privileged. The modern female actually STILL believes this! They successfully exploited female nature and convinced women that they were LIFTING their status …. when they were actually LOWERing their status to being “equal” with men.

That’s what “equality” means.
It means — NOT special.

NOT privileged. NO freebies. NO favors. NO more wanting something, you gotta EARN it now. This is the disaster of feminism. It enslaved women, and liberated MEN from not having to give a s~~~ about women anymore. Women can’t just LIE to themselves and think being “equal” makes them all CEOs.

Being “equal” only makes you “equal” to the WORST.
Being “equal” mens you lower yourself to the slave class – which is most.
You LOWER standards to accommodate and appease the meager and the weaker.

Since feminism has such a big problem with “privilege”, then they can’t have any.

Women are now forced to accept OPRAH is living proof that women are not oppressed. Not even BLACK women can claim they are disadvantaged… because look when Beyoncee and Oprah have accomplished! As a man, I am f~~~ing grateful that I don’t have to drown on a sinking ship anymore, or grab a gun to take a bullet for women I don’t even know. So in that way, it’s easy to argue I am a feminist.

The general male attitude today can afford to be a lot like this:

•••

….. while women can’t afford to admit their own enslavement and failure.

I AM A FEMINIST!! SWIM OR SINK BITCH!!!!
I AM A FEMINIST!! NO I WILL NOT HELP YOU!!!
I AM A FEMINIST!! PAY FOR YOUR OWN S~~~!!!
I AM A FEMINIST!! BUY YOUR OWN DRINK!!!
I AM A FEMINIST!! FIX YOUR OWN OWN FLAT TIRE!!!
I AM A FEMINIST!! NO I WILL NOT LOWER MYSELF TO DATING OR MARRING YOUR EQUAL ASS!!!
I AM A FEMINIST!! LOL AT POVERTY STRICKEN SINGLE MOTHERS!!!
F~~~ YOUR DEMANDS AND EXPECTATIONS FROM MEN – RIGHT IN THE ASS!!! BECAUSE I AM A FEMINIST!!!

… as long as women will pardon me when I laugh my f~~~ing head off while saying it.

Feminism and the liberation of men is something I enjoy on a daily basis in every day situations, and I just love rubbing their noses in it.

“We’ve chosen the path to equality. Don’t let them turn us around”.
– Geraldine Ferraro (First women to be nominated for Vice President)

Don’t worry sweetie. We won’t.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 42]

<rush of wind>  <hair blown back> <leaning backwards> <falling over>

[FIDKParticipant 32]

You do need to rent a uterus to have your own child, that is true. However, you do not need a woman to do it. A surrogate, a women who uses her uterus professionally, can do it for you. You may not even have to meet her at all!

 

Thanks to women f~~~ing around until they are 35, we have the best fertility treatments and laws in history. It just takes money.

So, no, we do not need any modern Western women for anything. We men can now rent sex and uteri any time we want. How great is that!?

 

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I have a friend who has TWO brothers who have opted for surrogacy.

Pay one woman for her egg…. pay another to carry it to term.

Infinitely cheaper than a wife.
And neither can claim to be “the mother” or use your children as leverage against you.

FIDK wrote:

How great is that!?

I wouldn’t say that it’s “great” because a two parent household is proven best for kids. But it’s a damn fine solution and they DO have women in their lives. They are also women who know that the won’t get away with anything, and so they don’t behave like your average modern c~~~ wife, who says s~~~ like “do this or I will divorce you so fast it will make your head spin”.

They would kick a woman like that out of their lives so fast it would make HER head spin.

… and she will get no payment or reward of any kind for her s~~~ty behavior.

How great is THAT.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[OasidParticipant 116]

Welcome Long_Gone glad you could share. I’m sorry to hear about your story, and I think it really helps to strengthen me that even though you live with a woman and trust her for a long time that once they get that contract they can cash out when they feel like it. You sound awesome and I’m looking forward to reading more of your posts here.

P.S. That video from the KeyMaster was outstanding!

May the Force Be With You

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

long_gone  Im sorry you have gone thru this.It is a rude awakening.But i think it is a necessary and natural one.Without meaning to be rude myself i think there are some things you need to learn about feminism. Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o-OcTSeVcs

 

Guys there are three things that we do that are in effect us bending over and inviting these people to F~~~ us.First one is not getting an attorney and i mean a good attorney when dealing with  family courts ,child support etc.Even if you have to go to MRA/AVFM circles to help find one.

Second is being naive and believing in the feminist and tradcon views of the world.Relations between the sexes is f~~~ed.No matter what anyone says.

Third is us(men) not sticking together and helping each other out.

 

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[ReptillianBlocked 1]

Anonymous wrote:

I’m all for equality. But it needs to be across the board. Not just where it benefits one sex or the other. I find it has given me a little more “emotional ” freedom. I can say “no, I won’t work with her because I am scared that she will tear her shirt and say I attacked her.” With the workplace safety regs. here in Alberta I am able to refuse work that I deem unsafe, both physically and mentally. I worked with a man hating lesbian feminist and have used this card. If I slap a woman it is considered abuse by society. Equality would say if she slaps me it TOO would be considered abuse. I don’t think true equality is possible. Men can learn to do things like cook, sew, re-arrange the furniture weekly, but………….we will never be able to give birth. And…..according to my ex is a good thing or there would only be 1 child per family because we are smart enough to say “f~~~ that hurt, that ain’t happening again ” and go our own way. But as men, we’re not going to lobby society and say we’re victims because we can’t give birth. We start out the same in the womb and learn as we go. A little girl learns she can get her way with tears and little boy gets to man up or is given something to cry about.

I just gave a thumb-up for this guy. I can’t believe people still treat men/women differently and especially with how they raise them.

[Anonymous 42]

Reptillian wrote:

I can’t believe people still treat men/women differently

Troll in sector 9……….

/womens-shelter/

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