I am a MGTOW who likes kids

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

I was aware of matriarchate for as long as I remember myself, but I am new to MGTOW and this site. The problem I see within MGTOW community is that most of you guys not only despise women, but also kids, and I am not sure why. IMO kids is the only thing worth living for in this life, and bringing them up the right way – is the most influence we as MGTOW have on our future.

I had a bad marriage, but I got an amazing baby girl from it, so in the end it was all worth it. She’s 7 yo now and I have joint custody and see her every weekend. My hot ex found other suckers right away and now is remarried, so she’s not bitter which makes it all bearable. We got divorced on my terms, so I there’s no alimony and  minimum child support.

I understand that marriage power is all skewed towards women, but how are we going to proliferate our gene pool without having kids? Continuation of the genetic and other lineage should be on top of the list for every male or human being in general. By refusing to have kids you are giving up on your future pretty much – something I don’t understand.

Women are bitches. You can’t live with them, but you can’t procreate without them.

Discuss

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[BigDParticipant 3024]

You say we can’t stand women, but you are raising one.  What are you doing to make sure your daughter does not come out like your wife.

Most of us have nothing against children.  We do not hate women.  We are just tired of the political and social rules that steps on us in order to raise them on a pedestal just because they have a vagina.

Most of us do not want kids not because we hate them, but because women know that the political and social environment will allow them to use them as weapons against us.

We accept who we are and know who women are.  We just don’t want to play the game because we know the rules are against us.

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

BigD wrote:

What are you doing to make sure your daughter does not come out like your wife.

This is a great question!

I am trying to instill a sense of unconditional love; showcase the role of a real man in a modern society; steer her away from the entitlement mindset and materialism in general; develop her spiritually; explain all the marketing tricks she sees on TV…
Her mom’s mom is on her fifth marriage, so you can only imagine what could have become of her if I wasn’t there. I am trying to be a role model for her, help her understand respect and teamwork, all of those things.

Basically I am trying to steer her away from all the Disney/Barbie bulls~~~ conditioning, so she could grow up to be a real woman and not a manipulative liar princess she would become if I wasn’t around.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[BiG_WeaselParticipant 116]

RusskyKGB, I have a similar situation of my own.  My daughter is 16, and her mom has remarried (to the first guy with a house, and who is FAR older than me, I may add- making him nearly 10 years her senior).  When I was married to her mom, she’d get to do basketball, Girl Scouts, and so on. Now, her mom is too lazy to even take her to find a part time job that she’s been begging for.  My daughter hates being at their house, and begs to go to my parents house, because they actually do stuff with her.  She was supposed to move in with me at the start of the last school year, but backed out. I’ve tried repeatedly to not bad-mouth/slander her mother, but I do try and gently nudge her to realize that her mom isn’t doing her any favors.

Its pretty obvious who wants her to do something with her life.  She was involved in extra-curricular activities when I was in the home, and now that I’m not, all that has stopped.  Its not hard to figure out what changed in the equation that’s put her on the sidelines.  Its funny, looking at it now, that she’s actually understanding my situation as a divorced dad, and how unfair it is on me.  She’s said as much, and she’s a very smart kid who sees the inequality of the system, and I think its going to have a lasting impression on her.

[Dans0nParticipant 36]

BigD wrote:

What are you doing to make sure your daughter does not come out like your wife.

This is a great point actually. Since you “only” see your child 2/7 of the week, who will have more of an influence on her education? It is more likely, that it’s your ex. And women will simply use this against you, your ex has more than 3 times more opportunities to influence your child or telling her lies about you. I don’t know how the other MGTOW’s see this, but for me, it’s not that important to proliferate my genepool.

What does it matter, if your child has your genes, but has a completely different view of things because she was influenced by your ex? It doesn’t have to be necessarily like that, though. But: Isn’t that like giving up on your future, as well?

[BlessingsParticipant 12]

I wish single men was allowed to adopt children. Most singles, no matter men or women, are not allowed to adopt unfortunately.

I agree that there is a lot of hate against woman and sometimes children going on in the MGTOW community and that is something we need to work on. If we want to be taken seriously we need to bring forth valid critic not spew hate.

I wish to have children one day but not on the terms set up by the society – where I only provide by working and not nurturing by being there for my kid. I used to blame my dad for not being part of my life growing up, our relationship today is great and I realize he wanted to play a much bigger than the rules of society let him.

[rorickParticipant 682]

Who said MGTOW hate kids… is that feminists spreading out this foul message .. Many here love kids, but don’t want one for ourselves, simple..

[darkoverParticipant 14]

I’m not sure where you get the impression that the men here hate kids. It’s more that we hate the conditions (feminism or otherwise) that makes having kids so damn hard. The woman can just divorce you at a whim, take your hard-earned stuff *and* your kids at a moment’s notice. There are plenty of men that have had and love kids here. Sadly, some of them are prevented from even seeing their kids courtesy of the courts and the women.

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

I have 2 boys myself.  I would give my life for them.  I am doing my dead level best to teach them to live life on their terms and no one else’s.  Their love for me may be the only real love I experience in this world.   They may be the only human beings I get to truly love in this lifetime.  Maybe that’s the lesson I am here to learn.

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[Anonymous 5]

I agree with the other guys in this thread. Most of MGTOW love kids. I am personally one of the rare people who hate kids and don’t want them. But I accept the fact that all people are not like me. A lot of men here want kids. A lot of men here have kids that they are not able to see, spend time with, support them or raise them properly because of women. I support those great men who want kids and can support them.

Because of my situation, there is no chance in hell I can support a kid and it would be unfair of me to have one. Also, I simply don’t like them. I feel awkward around them as in…I have nothing in common with them and think they are dumb…lol. I am an introvert and can’t pretend to be happy around things I don’t enjoy. I am not the type of person who can small talk/pretend to be interested in kids doing a cannon ball into a pool. I would be like….”good for you…don’t care, leave me alone”. Thankfully I refuse to have kids, so this will never be a problem. 🙂

[Anonymous 42]

I like kids, they make excellent test pilots! Slap on a helmet and they’ll do anything! ANYTHING!

 My little cousin was the neighborhood test pilot, he flew real good, a natural!

[Vector VikingParticipant 413]

I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but I don’t hate women or kids. I’m just far too busy doing awesome s~~~ to make either of them the central focus of my life. I know what I want and what I don’t. I’ve seen what the pressures of raising kids and supporting a wife does to men, and I choose to live a better life for myself.

Plus, with human population reaching a critical mass and basically poor management of the planet’s resources, I feel absolutely no tug to procreate just for procreation’s sake.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

I have no problem with other peoples’ kids, but I do have a problem with paying for them (e.g. government “schools”, welfare) or bending over backwards to accommodate them (e.g. stopping for school buses, Broadcast Standards and Practices).

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Russky wrote:

most of you guys not only despise women, but also kids,

I’m not sure where you got that from.  I don’t despise women or children just as I don’t despise snakes or bear traps.

What we despise are greed and irresponsibility and societies who enable that.

Many men here have children, and clearly they do love them.  That love is probably the greatest source of MGTOW frustration and anger: being forced to stand by and watch as your children are ruined by some selfish bitch of an ex wife has to be a special layer hell beneath all others.  Being forced to pay for it as well is just insult to massive massive injury.  It’s especially excruciating for men mens’ love for their children is forward looking.  While some women may love their children as they are now, men love their children now and also love the potential adults they hope their children become in the future.  If that makes any sense.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Blessings wrote:

I wish single men was allowed to adopt children. Most singles, no matter men or women, are not allowed to adopt unfortunately.

That’s an interesting point. Single mothers are “awesome” and a strong independent woman don’t need no man yet our culture flatly refuses to entrust an orphaned child to a single adult who desperately wants one, regardless of their ability to care for and raise a child.

Of course, this is the same culture that claims to be 80% “God fearing” Christian yet will not allow a murder suspect to get off on a “God told me to kill my son.” defense. Go figure.

[….Participant 305]

I personally do not hate kids…I don’t like kids who have been raised to be ill behaved disrespectful s~~~ monkeys…as much as I cringe when I see one .. I also realize that their minds are pretty much an empty vessel when young…but , after filling an empty bucket with s~~~, it would be unreasonable to expect anything but s~~~ to pour out of it. I feel pretty much the same way when it comes to feminists.  After reading the above comments from the dads…I’m starting to think it takes a MGHOW to raise a NAWALT

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Russky wrote:

The problem I see within MGTOW community is that most of you guys not only despise women, but also kids, and I am not sure why.

The problem is not with MGTOW… the “problem” is with you.

You’re “not sure why”, because you’re making the statement as if it’s fact . Big mistake. A MGTOW is more likely to tell you he refuses to have kids BECAUSE he loves kids. I was a coach and teacher of children 6-18 (and post graduates) for more than 5 years. LOVE them… and they loved me. And the only reason I am not a father is because I was INTENSELY focussed on it. There are MGTOW who are paying for (and supporting) children they aren’t even able to see, and that kind of statement “you despise kids” is going to be incredibly hurtful to them – not to mention FALSE.

The bulls~~~ about “despising women” has been deconstructed here a hundred times. You’re behaving like MGTOW walk around setting women’s hair on fire and treating them badly. MGTOW don’t go around knocking pumpkin spice lattes out of women’s hands…. or keying women’s cars… or spitting at them when they pass. That would be “despising women”. In fact MGTOW treat women much better than they deserve. That’s a guarantee.

So what are you talking about? The reason “you’re not sure why” is because you’re NOT SURE of anything at all, and you might consider adjusting your approach and ASK THE QUESTION instead.

• “Do you despise women?”
• “How do you (MGTOW) feel about children?”

… and then get the word on it before you do what a woman does and talk about “your problem with MGTOW”. MGTOW don’t give a s~~~ about “your problem with MGTOW”. You have a problem with MGTOW? Take a number and get to the back of the line.

Russky wrote:

I understand that marriage power is all skewed towards women, but how are we going to proliferate our gene pool without having kids? Continuation of the genetic and other lineage should be on top of the list for every male or human being in general.

That’s only how ANIMALS think. Breeding and ejaculating in a female is HARDLY the highest pinnacles of success the human male can achieve. For Christ’s sake, we are the only mammal that CAN’T fly – that CAN fly. If every man believed procreation to be at the top of the list, it would take you 6 weeks to get from LA to New York…. if you survived the journey. Not only did man make air travel possible, but he then made SUPERSONIC air travel possible and you could leave New York at lunch, and be in time for dinner in Paris.

I have impregnated 2 women in my life. So f~~~ing what. It doesn’t take any skill, or talent, or science or special ability.
Rats , c~~~roaches and gerbils do that too.

Your statement implies breeding is the BEST we can do. It’s NOT it’s not even close. I don’t even know where this line of thought can possibly come from. Look at the world around you. Science and discovery and sending a rover to Mars is a far greater feat than ejaculating in a vagina. A single mother lays back and spreads her legs and pops 6 kids and you’re pretend that’s a more valuable contribution to humanity than curing polio? or inventing the internet? Or proving the world is ROUND instead of FLAT??

Come on!

Russky wrote:

By refusing to have kids you are giving up on your future pretty much – something I don’t understand.

Why are you continuing to pretend the decision to have kids is a man’s in the first place??????

Breeding or not, a man can’t decide to BE a father… and he can’t decide to NOT be a father. By law.
/video/judge-declares-male-parental-rights-gone/

Now look every MGTOW in the eye and tell him you don’t understand.

It’s every MGHOW responsibility to permanently do away with this silly line of thought and approach to the issue. If you are unclear, ASK THE QUESTION and don’t make blind declarations, because there are fathers here who think kids are the center of their Universe, and saying “you despise women and kids” is like sticking a knife in their hearts.

No man / father would throw his junk into something he “despises”. That’s a guarantee too.

Men have given their lives to far greater accomplishments than breeding, and they died so that other men and women could waste their afternoons at Starbucks. It’s about time someone insists these great accomplishments are recognized for what they are, instead of tossing them aside like meaningless and worthless sacrifices for humanity that pale in comparison pumping and punching out a couple of clones of yourself.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AussieBlokeParticipant 144]

Yup KM your in fine form today, spot on man!

The harder the fight the sweeter the victory

[TheBardParticipant 974]

As Keymaster once said “you can hate the things women do without actually hating women”

I love kids and really want a daughter. I want to adopt since I have terrible luck with women and I don’t feel comfortable having a child with a woman since she could easily take her away from me. Single men adopting a female baby is near impossible and and I have women in the adoption field online tell me they wouldn’t trust me. One site I was asking question on blocked me because I told those women the truth about relationships and called them out on how women cry for equality yet they weren’t treating me equal. A lot us MGTOW’s will have to have kids either through foster care which will have to be boys or paying out the ass for IVF. I know the chances of me getting a daughter are slim, but I am not about to let some woman take her from me and make me pay while I rarely see her and her mother and new boyfriend are raising her in their corrupt way. Although if it came to that I would just take my daughter and go to another country before I let the corrupt courts make me pay child support.

[davParticipant 422]

“Continuation of the genetic and other lineage should be on top of the list for every male or human being in general.

Sorry bud, knowledge and learning new skills are at the top of my list, not breeding. Plenty of kids in the world without parents already anyway. Plus the population of the world has doubled since I was born. We keep going the way we are, a lot of people are going to starve. It’s the rule of nature, humans are not exempt.

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