"Human nature" or "Are both men and women human"?

[JackofswordsParticipant 31]

Hi everyone,
This topic has been rambling around in mind since I read “Men are from Mars and women are from Venus”, and has been getting a push from various MGTOW related sources as of late.
One of the main driving points some MGTOW’s push are that women are enslaved to their nature where is men are not or can choose to free themselves from it. while of course more men will take a red pill where women are related, not many women if it all would take a red pill even if they were aware of it’s existence.
This would seem to imply that men are somehow more spiritual in order to break away from biological constraints or that they are simply stronger willed then women? if there is a spiritual part to our existence, why would it favor us? because god is a man who made us in his image and then made women from our ribs? if it boils down to will, what part in our genetics dictates that men are stronger willed then women? everything else that dictates our physiological differences is genetic so where is the gene for will power hiding? is our will simply shaped by society and in such most are enslaved to this gynocentric world view, where some are able to break away from this indoctrination?
Or could it be boiled down to all humans, being biological with biological directives, enslaved to our nature, and being human, we are able to recognize this enslavement, which sets us apart from animals, and choose to not fulfill these directives (whatever the consequences may be), simply some of us, namely men, have more incentive to break away on account of the pain we are put through, while women, generally, are looked after by us and society as a whole, pampered to the point of idol worship, so why would any woman, even if she was made aware as we are, choose to break away from such “servitude”.
I am thoroughly looking forward to being burned at the stake for these ideas, and I welcome your opinions, arguments and viewpoints.
Bring it:)

"What you really fear is inside yourself. You fear your own power. You fear your anger, the drive to do great or terrible things."

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

I REALLY don’t know where I would begin dissecting your “proposals” and “assumptions”.

Luckily, I really have No F~~~s to Give about attempting to understand the why, or even the how. It’s enough for me to Understand what Female nature IS, and go from there.

Have a Good day !!

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Don’t forget that we aren’t that many generations away from a much tougher life. WWII comes to mind. WWI as well. The Civil War. Look back a mere 150 years before the industrial revolution and life was way, way tougher. In that environment, men did the hard work. The work women did was way tougher than that of a modern woman, but not as tough as the men’s work. 150 years ago men were laying railroad tracks all across the US, building cities, etc.

From a societal standpoint, it hasn’t been THAT many generations ago. Societal norms move slower than lifestyles. Each generation has still looked around and seen that men are the risk takers, so they grow up with that image in their head of what it means to be a man.

Thanks to a much easier lifestyle and feminism, men are finally learning that they can take a water break. And yeah, I think that men in general have a stronger will than women. Because we’ve HAD TO.

My opinion is that a strong will is nurture not nature. At least in my professional opinion as a tax accountant….

Order the good wine

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Jackofswords wrote:

Men are from Mars and women are from Venus

Did you read this s~~~ voluntarily or did some pussy you’re chasing suggest it.

I had an exGF s~~~-test me by “encouraging” me to read it. I told her, “Men are from Earth, women are from Earth — deal with it.” She never brought it up again. Test passed.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[MonkParticipant 16995]

Jackofswords wrote:

… if there is a spiritual part to our existence, why would it favor us?

Karma – your actions in the past dictate where you will find yourself in the present.

This is only partial predestination however, as you still retain free will – you may choose how you react to the circumstances in which you find yourself.

The worse the karma, the less free will you have, until you descend completely to the animal platform.

because god is a man who made us in his image and then made women from our ribs?

Although the creator might be the generative principle, the creator is neither male nor female. To be God, God must by definition incorporate everything.

As you make several Christian references, you may be interested to know that the Early Church considered women have no souls – effectively to be nothing but dumb beasts.

That situation that was eventually changed by vote (with a margin of only 2 or 3 if I recall correctly).

[RemovedParticipant 4676]

The problem with allowing a woman’s thought process enter your head, is it makes all logic pudding. It is difficult to rationalize a woman’s thought, because they only concern themselves with the here and now.

Both, men and women human, but have set rolls biologically. We have entered a time where the man’s roll is not entirely necessary, except on the occasional medial task, and women have lost all respect for the man in return. In this, women consider themselves superior. It will take a ground shaking experience, putting women back to the level of needing men again, before they will realize that they need to change that. Essentially, the government is the only real man in a woman’s eyes, because it protects her, provides for her, and lets her get away with murder (literally).

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Men carry the cart (family).
Women carry the child (womb).

Women are inherently unstable (womb).
Men are inherently stable (family).

A women’s nature must reflect a devil (womb).
Not the devil, but a devil.

A man’s nature must reflect a God (family)
Not the God, but a God.

Societal authority (laws) at any given time warp the genders natural equilibrium.

We all live somewhere on our nature spectrum as a result of our life decisions.

Peace brothers

[RemovedParticipant 4676]

DorkShit wrote:

Men carry the cart (family).
Women carry the child (womb).

Women are inherently unstable (womb).
Men are inherently stable (family).

A women’s nature must reflect a devil (womb).
Not the devil, but a devil.

A man’s nature must reflect a God (family)
Not the God, but a God.

Societal authority (laws) at any given time warp the genders natural equilibrium.

We all live somewhere on our nature spectrum as a result of our life decisions.

This is very insightful. I feel like it is something to be read in one of my books from the 1800’s or older, from a philosopher.

[hollowtipsParticipant 681]

Woman are wired differently than men. They are meant to have no guilt or shame, or remorse all they are supposed to care about is their survival. For millions of years they’ve waited to give up their pussy to the top 25% of men while ignoring the rest, and in time of battle and war they would bang the enemy after they slit their life partners throat. So while it seems evil and like they have no soul I’ve come to accept this is their biology for survival.

The only problem is our society has given to much power to women at the expense of men, and women have to much protection when they act upon their nature. They can cheat, abort, divorce, murder and can expect no real serious consequences yet their vote is still equal?

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Removed wrote:

This is very insightful. I feel like it is something to be read in one of my books from the 1800’s or older, from a philosopher.

It is what my father told his sons. His father told him and so on.

He said the only way is to understand. An idle woman will destroy family. The only path for a married man is to keep the womb occupied. This keeps the woman focused inward.

My father said that all father’s before him say to keep your woman barefoot and pregnant.

At the time I thought my father crazy. With age I have come to realize the wisdom. If every young boy realized that once he married he would have 10 children maybe a few would use the brain in their head.

Peace brothers

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22537]

We are beings of both spirit and natural bodies. God made us different than everything else alive, we are made as PEOPLE. That gives us intellectual capabilities other living things don’t have. Male and females can access these things if they want to, to varying degrees. But even between men and women, brains are different. And brains are material, part of the body, not the spirit. Controlling the body and its physical urges and desires is hard. Animals don’t have this problem because they can be just what they are, they don’t analyze things on deeper levels or get introspective. People have to restrain their natural side. If we were perfect it wouldn’t be a problem but being imperfect in a fallen messed up world, we run into problems.

Women tend to be more emotional, less understanding of themselves (less self-analyzing, less introspective) and just “do things” and come up with “I don’t know” answers as to why they did what they did. Now they sit around a lot and think of a lot of less deep and more superficial things about themselves, but that isn’t the same as really deep character problems or issues they have. They don’t do this as much as men because they don’t like feeling bad about themselves, they don’t like anything that tarnishes their image.

For example, women often when feeling bad or depressed, go shopping. Buy some stuff. Then feel better. Is the personal issue bugging them been thought about deeply and addressed? No. It’s been ignored and replaced by trinkets.

Guys having problems about themselves, – gays/metrosexuals excluded – generally do not find going shopping for stuff an effective way to feel better about their problems. Our logic side would say while there may be some good feelings generated by getting something you want, it is passing, and costs money, and doesn’t address the stuff bothering me in my head. And I may have money problems I make worse.

Bottom line is yes both are human, but the differences are stark. Women could be more deep and introspective, but they can’t bear to deal with anything negative about themselves, so their progress is limited and their confusion remains higher and bothers them, and they act out when it hits certain levels. They are afraid to look deep inside and see the kinds of people they really are. If they really know who they are, shallow, vapid, vain, greedy, self-centered, I think many will be afraid they will have a hard time selling themselves to men because the amount of acting required would be way higher than what they do now, trying to be blissfully ignorant of what is going on deep inside their personalities.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[JackofswordsParticipant 31]

Thank you all for your input!
Just to clarify, I do not hold any belief in the topic I proposed, merely a will to understand. I am worried that some think that trying to understand the “enemy” somehow equates me with them, as if me reading parts of the Quran to understand what we will be up against makes me an ISIS sympathizer, though I can surely appreciate how it would seem to be abhorrent to try to understand the other side, but I do not conflate understanding with sympathizing. Some have touched on the part of us that is above/separate from our physical bodies which drive our nature and I am grateful for their thoughts on the subject!
Looking forward to more thought provoking discussion, and I will try to less provoking 😉

"What you really fear is inside yourself. You fear your own power. You fear your anger, the drive to do great or terrible things."

[ghostParticipant]

DorkShit wrote:

Men carry the cart (family).
Women carry the child (womb).

Women are inherently unstable (womb).
Men are inherently stable (family).

A women’s nature must reflect a devil (womb).
Not the devil, but a devil.

A man’s nature must reflect a God (family)
Not the God, but a God.

Societal authority (laws) at any given time warp the genders natural equilibrium.

We all live somewhere on our nature spectrum as a result of our life decisions.

You should take this to the bank. It’s MONEY.

DorkShit wrote:

It is what my father told his sons. His father told him and so on.

He said the only way is to understand. An idle woman will destroy family. The only path for a married man is to keep the womb occupied. This keeps the woman focused inward.

My father said that all father’s before him say to keep your woman barefoot and pregnant.

At the time I thought my father crazy. With age I have come to realize the wisdom. If every young boy realized that once he married he would have 10 children maybe a few would use the brain in their head.

Darksite is on fire. Some wise, wise words.

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