How Would You Have Dealt With This?

[EnlightenedMGTOWParticipant 291]

I am gainfully employed in a permanent position but have been applying to jobs here and there that I see online. A recruiter from a staffing agency called me in regards to my application/resume. She wanted to meet me in person before sending my resume over to her client but I was up front with her and let her know that there was no time in my schedule to do so. She proposed a Face-time session to further discuss the roll and I quickly agreed to 8pm (last night). At 8pm, suit and tie on, I initiate the face-time with no response. After a few more initiations and failures, I call the recruiter and get directed to a voice-mail. After leaving a voice-mail, she has the gall to TEXT me less than 2 minutes later instead of picking up and speaking to me or actually calling me back. Her text reads “Delayed. Just got off train. So sorry. Can we do this tomorrow??”

 

The level of unprofessionalism still has me dumb-founded over 24 hours later. I ignored her text, as well as her follow-up e-mail this morning and the 2 calls she made to me during the day. (I will not go out of my way to pick up the phone for someone who acts like this during the work-day). Instead of calling her back since I was not shown the courtesy, I sent her an e-mail a couple of hours ago. Let me know how you guys think I handled this.  My blood is boiling still thinking about it.

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I’m no longer interested but thank you. Reaching out 2 minutes before a confirmed appointment to cancel and not showing the courtesy to call, but to text in response to a voice-mail, leaves a bad taste in my mouth. While a delay because of the inclement weather is certainly understandable and out of your control, it was foreseeable, and cancelling 2 minutes prior is unacceptable. It caused great inconvenience as I cancelled a prior engagement to go home and change into business conservative attire to speak with you. To quickly give more insight into my thinking. If a candidate were to cancel a job interview with a company 2 minutes before their scheduled meeting, the company would most likely no longer consider the person for the role, no questions asked (excluding extreme and unforeseeable circumstances). As I’m sure you have also experienced, candidates who do not show up to scheduled meetings in your office or who may call to post-pone the very last second also leave a bad taste in your mouth. Once again, thank you for originally reaching out and considering me for this opportunity. I have no doubt that with your impressive skill-set, you won’t have any issues filling this role. If you would like to further discuss, please feel free to reach out between 8:15am and 8:45am tomorrow morning.

 

Regards,

EnlightenedMGTOW

Marriage is the disease, divorce is the cure. MGTOW is the vaccine.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Could you have CC’d her client?  Because I’d have done that as well.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

I deal with recruiters/head hunters often and to me, that looks like a rookie mistake. I have had similar experiences with them, and have called them out on it in similar fashion as you did, but I doubt either of us did much to improve them. The twenty-somethings who inhabit the industry now have been put in those positions with little or no training or mentoring. It is often their first job out of college. They can’t distinguish between the behavior that would be appropriate with their drinking buddies and the behavior that is appropriate in a professional situation like this. I find myself very often taking one of their calls, listening to their approach, and if I have time, explaining to them how the business works, what their role in it is supposed to be, how they are supposed to behave… etc. I spoke to one kid for almost an hour and I am certain that he was taking notes by the time I was done.

The only thing I had a question about is why you invited the call back the next day between 8:15 and 8:45? If you are still interested in the job, I would ask for another, more senior recruiter. The foundation of a recruiter’s role is to be able to inspire confidence. While they are recruiting, he/she is the only face of the company needing the new hire. They are the first impression. They cannot screw that up.

I would ask for a ‘more experienced recruiter’ in the same firm. Wether you mean it or not, it is a message the rookie needs to hear to drive home the point so that they don’t make this same mistake again. Just my opinion…

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[– Deleted on Request –Spectator 936]

I once had similar dealings with a local firm.  All the arrangements were made by e-mail.  Fair enough as that seems to be the way people did it back then.  I had a meeting with a personnel thingy and made my pitch to her.  The meeting was on a Friday.  The following Monday, I was told that “the focus of the job changed”…. within 72 hours.  (Yeah, right.)

 

About 10 years ago, I had an interview in a city about an hour and a half’s drive away.  I called about a week later and I was told by that outfit’s personal critter that she would get back to me “tomorrow”.  I’m still waiting.

 

In both cases, the people in question were young enough to be my kids.  However, because they were on the “right” side of the desk, they could tell me a c~~~ and bull story and I was expected to believe it.

 

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I’m also older and had a pretty senior position so was involved in a lot of hiring, not really the recruiting although I had to get involved when it was difficult to fill a position to sort of sweeten the pot. Just getting a meeting with senior staff can sometimes sway a candidate to take a position.

I have never seen a candidate be late for an interview. Not once in 30 years.

I don’t know if I would ever consider a person who was late but I suppose if they were literally the only candidate for the position.

She works for you (in a sense). If you don’t like her performance fire her. As BP said, ask for a more senior recruiter. I do that kind of thing all the time when I think I’m speaking with someone junior who doesn’t know the company policies, facts of the matter etc.

Your goal should be to get that job interview. I am very focused on my needs when it comes to jobs. That’s where I get my food and shelter from.

So I wouldn’t care about anyone’s feelings. I would call the manager of the recruiting company. Explain that the service you were getting was not adequate and that there is a job that you would like to interview for through his company. You have to remember, the recruiter makes money if you are successfully recruited so, to the owner, you’re good will is money in their pockets.

He will probably handle it himself or give it to his top account manager. I would not start at the bottom and work my way up to the boss. Start with the boss and a complaint about a current position that every one can make money on.

Don’t take her call and do this ASAP so as not to lose out on a possible excellent opportunity.

This is the future. This is marxism. Quality of work is only important to the boss. Everyone, especially women think they have a right to a big paycheck just for showing up. Making them feel good is all that matters. That’s why you go directly to the boss. Any discussion with her will lead her to call you a jerk to her boss and he will not take your call.

And I hope that letter you sent made you feel better because to a young person they will just see a rant “against” them. Not some advice meant to help them. As my son turns 18 this year I’m learning it’s the age. They don’t listen on purpose. They think they know everything. We all did at that age.

Be aggressive as s~~~, potential employers love that. Clear this c~~~ block of this new job and take what you can get in this life.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[EnlightenedMGTOWParticipant 291]

1.) The recruiter is a woman.

2.) She is a senior managing partner of the firm.

It’s mind-blowing that someone who has been in the game for over a decade would act that way. Thanks for the input guys. You’ve put it in perspective for me.

 

@H.R.- I’m going to try and find someone above her via linkedin. Great tip

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[RennieParticipant]

Kind of like when I applied for a job at the store and the 2nd interview which was early in the morning, the guy didn’t bother to show up and didn’t arrange anyone else to show up for him, so we ended up having to call him from the store to find out that he was “sick”, we got nowhere with that and it ended up being a waste of time.

I later got a call saying that they had decided they weren’t going to hire anyone after all. Real nice.

[FangParticipant 102]

I lack experience in this area so obviously my input should not be valued as much as other contributors. Other than one minuscule grammar error I think you handled it quite well. I would have made it quite a bit shorter. Elaborating as much as you did let her know exactly how much her unprofessionalism got to you. I would not have given the bitch that much satisfaction.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Hello @enlightenedmgtow and welcome to the forums. Thanks for staring this.

I have PLENTY of experience with recruiters and they are ALL slimy bad news. I have never met an honorable example. Goes double if she’s female. If you need to know more just ask. But for now, (and since you asked) how I would deal with this is as follows …..and I will be direct speaking as if I were talking to myself:

I am gainfully employed in a permanent position but have been applying to jobs here and there that I see online.

Good. Keep doing it. Create as many opportunities for yourself as you can.

A recruiter from a staffing agency called me in regards to my application/resume. She wanted to meet me in person before sending my resume over to her client but I was up front with her and let her know that there was no time in my schedule to do so. She proposed a Face-time session to further discuss the roll and I quickly agreed to 8pm (last night).

No. She is totally out of line. You’re BUSY. And until she is paying YOU, she works around your availability. PERSONAL FACE TO FACE MEETINGS ONLY. You can give her slots… “That’s an excellent idea. I am available xxxxx at XPM, , on XXX at XXAM and 4PM etc.”. You’re going to her, so that’s when you’re free. Don’t jump when a recruiter calls. S~~~ test. Especially from a woman. The first thing they want to sniff out is how badly you want to meet them and what bending you will do.

At 8pm, suit and tie on,……

There is no reason to wear a suit and tie at 8PM unless you’re an airline pilot. Nobody should expect a suit and tie at 8PM. And unless you’re saving lives, 8PM is your valuable well earned time off. Business hours only.

I initiate the face-time with no response.

100% predictable. See what I mean?? Not even SHE is available at 8PM.
Agreeing to chat with her at 8PM reeks of desperation – even though you’re not and are employed.

After a few more initiations and failures….

Only one…. and then a message saying you kept your end and express your disappointment – subtly. Use the word “disappointed”. You’re not the failure here, she is.

I call the recruiter and get directed to a voice-mail.

Of course you did, because she’s unprofessional now. She doesn’t want to talk to you and respect for you is dwindling.

After leaving a voice-mail, she has the gall to TEXT me less than 2 minutes later instead of picking up and speaking to me or actually calling me back.

Women are f~~~ing cowards this way. Count on it.

Her text reads “Delayed. Just got off train. So sorry. Can we do this tomorrow??”

“DO THIS”??? Like sex with her f~~~ing husband. Now she’s asking for your permission but it only sounds that way. It’s a chore and she’s totally not into it. A text with no apology? F~~~ her.

The level of unprofessionalism still has me dumb-founded over 24 hours later. I ignored her text

NICE move.

, as well as her follow-up e-mail this morning and the 2 calls she made to me during the day. (I will not go out of my way to pick up the phone for someone who acts like this during the work-day). Instead of calling her back since I was not shown the courtesy, I sent her an e-mail a couple of hours ago. Let me know how you guys think I handled this. My blood is boiling still thinking about it.

Respect for you(self) regained. Well done. She loses. And you found out the kind of flake company and people who will be representing you. The rest of your assessment is good. Female recruiters are the WORST. They don’t “feel bad” for what she did to you and she made no effort to right it. She hates her job and you can tell. The terms are now yours.

This sort of thing happened to me with 2 major film studios. A chick on the other end f~~~ed it up so bad, to one of them I wrote: “If I were the CEO and knew you handled it this way, you would be fired on the spot”. Her JOB is to find the right person and she screwed it up.

That felt f~~~ing GREAT to say.

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