How to fight back?

[TheWalkerParticipant 58]

This is a question for guys who want to try to get women to reassess how they interact with men and change their behaviour. How do you guys go about doing this? I talk to women and tell them my views. I also challenge women on dating websites. I don’t know if it’s making any difference but my belief is that anything which makes one woman rethink things then that’s a good thing.

This question is not directed at men who have opted out (left the plantation)and want nothing to do with women.

[tripvanParticipant 193]

Be subtle in applying these rules and they will not notice, but you will be leaving the plantation in some shape or form.

1. Refuse to give them value, your time, your money, anything
2. Give them value if they pay for it, time for money, rental of your property for money, etc.
3. Realize that their behavior is something that will not change, and you can not change. If you set out to change their behavior, you will be running up against a brick wall over and over again. Do not do that to yourself brother.

SO

Don’t waste time with dating websites, as the women who will rethink their position will only do so to attract you as a mate and should be seen as a red flag. If they were easy to win to your position, all the more a red flag as their world view is likely to be overly flexible to snap back in the future.

If you want to deal with women, you have to deal with them on their terms and suffer what ever losses you allow yourself to fall into.

[shadowParticipant 156]

Ignore is best weapon. the less sensory stimulation you provide for them, the better. The more it makes them tweak, either to a way of wanting to try to get into your pants or a resentment towards you which is a mirror reflection of their own life really.

I think you are asking the wrong question. it shouldn’t be a matter of vengeance you seek… more of how can I better myself?

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22524]

Tripvan, you have the right idea. Subtlety and patience are wonderful and useful skills. Directness never seems to work for human beings in general. And burning bridges is a bad idea. When one can simply leave a bridge behind with no one else being the wiser.

Now, when dealing with women, you have to realize that women at girls are taught princess mentality. That the world revolves around them and they can do not wrong. They have delusions of grandeur on what they expect out of life. Their expectations of men are beyond the impossible. They are actually taught to disrespect and lie to boys and men.

The problem with women is not from a feminine, nor even masculine standpoint. Women have been allowed to grow up to be spoiled, emotionally immature, untrustworthy, women-children. They were not taught manners and tact. They were never taught they have to work towards a goal, especially concerning relationships. They expect everything to be handled to them. And the government, religion(s), and society rewards them for this negative behavior.

Personally, I think trying to change women in this corrupting environment, that intentionally brings the worst out of women, is a lost cause. I think the only time women will change is when they are forced to, in a collapse, when reality finally slams right into them.

Until then, I highly suggest you forget about women and try to make the best out of your own personal life.

[kizellParticipant 368]

I don’t “fight back” against the ladies

I just win outright by being a dick. A truthful dick, but an asshole all the same.

Never try to “reason” with a woman about the male/female dynamic. It will only end poorly.

[RoyDalParticipant]

How to persuade people or at least get them to do things your way, that is the question. I recommend you study these two books:

The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene

How to Win Friends & Influence People by Dale Carnegie

Full disclosure: My persuasive powers are not great enough to talk a liberal or a feminist out of their views, no matter how many facts, figures, and logical chains of thought I muster. Politics and religion are lodged in a part of the brain that is immune to reason. Brain image studies have shown this.

However, I was able to get them to do their jobs when I was their supervisor. That was sufficient for the purpose of keeping myself and them employed.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

You can only fight back by not playing.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

TheWalker wrote:

This is a question for guys who want to try to get women to reassess how they interact with men and change their behaviour. How do you guys go about doing this? I talk to women and tell them my views. I also challenge women on dating websites. I don’t know if it’s making any difference but my belief is that anything which makes one woman rethink things then that’s a good thing.

This question is not directed at men who have opted out (left the plantation)and want nothing to do with women.

I find its a waste of my time frankly. Women love to argue no matter how nonsensical their points are. Men are direct and being to the point is a good quality.

Hence be to the point that you aren’t interested in their bulls~~~. If you want to fight back against the gynocentric system there are several things I have discovered upon dwelling upon them.

1. Buy gold and silver. “Cash in your lottery tickets” is basically the principle of getting some of your federal reserve notes and reclaiming actual hard money with it. Back then these notes were replacements for “Silver/Gold Certificates”. They don’t want you withdrawing your gold and silver with notes. So buying them is actually helping bring down a larger ponzi scheme especially if men are doing it.

2. Establish local trade networks. Local businesses and people that want your business and aren’t part of the mainstream corporate, media, government criminal system.

3. Network with like minded people. There is power in numbers. MGTOW is an example of multiplying of minds through association.

If you are American:

4. Buy guys, ammo, and open carry if you can legally. Basically fly in the face of social norms and assert your views with no f~~~s given. The gynocentric government doesn’t want you armed. It doesn’t want you to assert your natural rights. Texans did this with just a small percentage and got what we wanted. The mainstream media rules through propaganda, not with a cause. Be the cause you believe in.

If you are NOT American:

5. See if you can get guns and ammo legally. German wives are finally figuring out that a shotgun is far superior than waiting for the government to give a s~~~ about the mess political correctness/feminism has created.

There are others, but these are a few.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

You can only fight back by not playing.

In a sense we are playing by passive aggressive. We are being determined not to obey, not bend, or yield. Someone is telling is to play and we are saying “f~~~ you and your game.”

[RennieParticipant]

Ignore them. Even the fat c~~~ at work who gets all mad because things aren’t moving as quickly as she thinks they should. “Lets go…”

P~~~. Off.

[Anonymous 42]

How to fight back? That’s a lost cause! Never get into a verbal or physical confrontation, walk away….
Never allow them to steer your thinking! Never allow yourself to become the clay, and not the artist! Allowing women to shape you to their needs will result in your life looking like something a 5yo molded! NOT GOOD!!!

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

You won’t change minds. I used to argue with feminists on tumblr back in the day with my own blog LOL. But you will never win. You’re asking someone to give up something, you’re asking them to be not treated like royalty, you’re asking them not to be chased after and desired. It won’t work.

Just don’t play their game, dude. I’m not monk mode… yet… and I still like to go on a date from time to time. Nobody cares about men. Just don’t worship them, don’t give them the time of day, don’t come running to help them if they get in trouble. GIVE THEM WHAT THEY ALL SAY THEY WANT. Treat them like you would a man. Imagine every single one of them is a man, and ask yourself if a man was acting the way they are acting, would you still put up with their bulls~~~? Answer for me is usually a big fat NOOOOOOOOOO!

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

Sometimes the question is more important than the answer.
I suggest:
How can i live a happy life without them?
Dismiss women from your life.
They have absolutely nothing good to offer.

[Biggvs_DickvsParticipant 3725]

Take a cue from the Mahatma Ghandi. MGTOW is actually quite parallel to his philosophy, or at least my understanding of it.

Passive resistance.

"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,

[Anonymous 7]

TheWalker wrote:

That is how you fight.

Amazing post man

[Spank The MisandristsParticipant 2308]

Bro, you are wasting your time. Let the mockers mock, let the laughers laugh, and let the bitches bitch. It’s in their nature. Why try to change nature, when nature’s already got the best and most powerful weapon against women? THE WALL.

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

TheWalker wrote:

women to reassess how they interact with men and change their behaviour. How do you guys go about doing this?

I’ve had some success here, so can add my $0.02. Disclosure: I don’t do serious relations~~~s, just short term/love affair type arrangements. Call it a few months at a shot.

I’m open & direct with these women. They ask for exclusivity, i tell them i won’t avoid f~~~ing other women. But if/when i do, i’ll be honest about it & tell her.

When she’s being too clingy, i tell her “I’m going to spend Saturday alone. I need time just for me.”

When she’s being a dramatic pain in the ass, i tell her “You’re being a drama queen. Stop.”

When she crosses any of those boundaries, i tell her to get lost.

That’s the key – you have to be able to walk away more readily than she is. Did you ever hear the phrase “Whoever’s able to walk away from negotiations first, has the upper hand.”? Yeah, goes double for any relations~~~s w/a woman.

After you lay out these boundaries she’ll probably change her behavior. But it likely won’t be forever; you’ll have to correct her on it again at some point, and you’ll definitely have to correct her on other behavior guaranteed. It’s just a question of how much energy you want to put in to that.

For me – that’s why i like short term flings. Because it’s always *new & exciting” the women are usually on their best behavior. The energy i put in is relatively low. The return i get is relatively high. So a high ROI situation. I’ve found that after a couple months they want more investment from my side, and let go of that “best behavior.” The the ROI goes way down, & i cut them loose.

Moral of the story? You can change their behavior, if she’s sufficiently attracted to you and you set & enforce boundaries. But it’s not a free lunch.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

You can only fight back by not playing.

Agreed. As long as women have an abundant supply of dick, and plenty of single mommy welfare programs they won’t see any problems no matter what you tell them. Of course, once they hit the wall and the dick supply dries up they’ll understand, but its too late for all involved at that point.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

And just an FYI for everyone. Remember that the weakest link is the mangina white knight. No one will defend a mangina if the need ever arises to deal with one.

[DDJParticipant 1880]

I don’t.

Women don’t respond to logic. The more you attempt to explain…the more hypergamy takes over and they ignore you.

Every woman is a slut, if you catch her on the right day.

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