How do you say MGTOW in Italian anyone?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

This morning we received a message in a bottle – all the way from Italy – signed by a “Stefania Vitulli” from the Panorama. No letter. Just a link to her article. To save you the trouble of translating, a barely readable version is below.

It may be of zero interest to you. but it’s international MGTOW news in some other place than the UK, US, Canada or Australia.
If your Italian is impeccable, apolz for the s~~~ty translation.

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They are called MGTOW, are men who do not want to have anything to do with women

Panorama, ITALY – Thursday, November 26, 2015

They are growing. And they are all males. “From darkness to light,” announces the ominous male speaker of the last video posted on the website of the movement (Mgtow.com). They are increasing. They belong to all generations, from X to Millennials. Not surprisingly, the video above is called The Awakening, the awakening. The movement that represents them is called Mgtow (pronounced mig-tau) and it is only the most massive expression of discomfort of an army of hundreds of thousands of men.

“Mgtow is a statement of autoappartenenza, for which modern man preserves and protects its sovereignty above all else. He refuses to kneel to have the opportunity to be treated as an available service. He lives according to their own interests in a world that would rather he did not, “they say on the site. A deep discomfort, powerful, unstoppable. Which leads them to shoot video in which, with explicit scenes and trash, explain how the dominance of women is supported by the company to create paradoxical situations: one of the most popular youtuber Mgtow, English Carl Benjamin 36, a channel called Sargon of Akkad: going to reach 200,000 subscribers and his videos almost reach 39 million total views.

The codes of conduct Mgtow are not homogeneous nor rigid. Some resemble “herbivores” Japanese (asexual, passive and vowed to work : the latest survey showed that 40 percent of married men in Japan had sex for over a month), the other misogynistic of ancient lineage. At one extreme there are those who adopt the “monk mode”, ie a total vow of celibacy, the other those who have a relationship but impose limits to the partner, such as not having children (because, in case of separation, would lose all right on them).

The separation of the sexes generates numbers: according to statistics 28 percent of women over 40 in the US live in total celibacy and 22 percent of married women do not have relations with her husband. In Italy they have celebrated 57,000 weddings in less than the past five years and is divorced abroad to reduce delays.

But the separation also creates cultures. The movie , Katniss Hunger games is just the latest of the heroines and males suffer, “Why do not we seen that our superhero Marvel is feminizing them all? We call Migtowan. ” On TV, multiply series like Girlfriends’ Guides to divorce, just arrived on Premium Stories tells the revenge female post-divorce or Unreal, the American series the most feminist of our time.

And to understand that it is also a cultural route, just to see how some Mgtow arise: “Hello everyone, I’m Alessandro. Mgtow are a few years since my last relationship had disintegrated (like all the previous ones) and decided I did not want to know more nor women nor traditional relationships. The separation was progressive … I switched to reading more focused on personal growth, much helped me even podcasts of radio shows made in the US focused on the true feminine nature. The detachment from the ginocentrismo has been completed, even if in reality we live immersed in a regime misandrico / feminist to all effects. ” So Alexander forum “maschileradicale” tells the maturation slow and steady that in 11 years it has been Mgtow.

“The phenomenon that I grasp and that is growing by at least three years in Italy and in Europe is detachment, defense and escape into the framework of the relationship with the female gender, “says Giorgio del Mare, founder of Methodos and expert in organizational cultures. “The comparison with the woman is perceived as inconvenient by the psychological point of view, deep, emotional. This does not affect the output of sexual tastes but the attitude: lack of desire to invest, lack of interest in knowing the other. Today no one would say that women are more emotional and less rational: the common trend winning, even professional, is feminine and cultural defeat repeated leads the male to retreat in defense. I think this phenomenon will spread. ”

A discomfort with women transformed from half a century of feminism in what they call “feminazi.” The Mgtow Web extends the now known as “Manosphere”, or the network of blogs, websites, and forums youtuber that collects in a huge storytelling video, post, quotes the “Waiver Finale”: farewell, women. We go on our way.

This means, Mgtow: men Going Their Own Way. The movement spreads like wildfire. From 2012 to today in Canada , the US , England and Australia . The epicenter is Toronto, “the worst city in the world to live in if you are a man.” But when three years ago left women proposed to ban male urinals, the pot boiled over in Sweden: “Why do women who are allowed to vote in Sweden have a problem with men urinate standing? Imagine you have a problem with the way in which women enter the buffer. Then try to say to women who want to make that illegally ‘ sbottarono the Mgtow. Not feared, but moved away. Not fought but slid into the shadows: the Mgtow say they want to reach women indifference. Meanwhile, talk about it, come together and recognize: “I knew nothing of the movement and are also somewhat ‘satisfied that there is, if it unites men and allows him to reflect on what it means to be male and female,” says Humbert Telfener, psychotherapist and epistemologa, author of The maintenance of love (Castelvecchi). “For years I hope a movement of men to feminism has really changed costumes. The fact that males and females are separating more and more is sadly true. The difference between male and female is the added value of the reports. But in Italy the feeling is that males are a bit ‘mavericks, so roll on Mgtow: I think then we would return to dialogue.”

They also call it Red Pill. When in the Matrix Neo must choose between ignorance illusory (the blue pill) and reality (the red pill), choose the real world, more hard, but true. So for the new males fleeing the Red Pill is the understanding that the role which should conform give benefits only to women: “Hello, I’m 40 years old, are a huge supporter of Mgtow” says hunter_75 forum “male radical.” “For 15 years, I am happily single. Aside from the fun with a very nice scop-friendly, for the rest I lost interest in the female population. Because I joined here? Perhaps out of a sense of camaraderie. Help in my small way, exchanging opinions, helping to awaken from slumber too many men still asleep and lemmings that continue to be put your feet on the head by the other sex, are convinced that the way forward is the existential right laughingstock socially pre-formed to be fooled by that monstrous scam feminist called Marriage. ” A men’s movement can be good for both sexes is possible hypothesis. To read the words of hunter_75 however, it seems that it will take a long, long time.

Stefania Vitulli
The Panorama • Italy

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If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RoyDalParticipant]

They are called MGTOW, are men who do not want to have anything to do with women

I’m willing to dispute this. I still want to get laid. I just don’t want to get sucked into a relationship, marriage or otherwise.

I am surprised, because I am not seeing expectation bias on the author’s part. She is trying to be fair, I think.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

RoyDal wrote:

They are called MGTOW, are men who do not want to have anything to do with women

Noticed that too. (Removed my comment on that above so there would be no bias before reading). How the hell is it possible to not want anything to do with women? They are 51% of the population. It would be like saying “I don;t want to breathe air ever again.”

But you will probably never see a female author write “MGTOW like and enjoy sex – if it’s free”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[UntamedParticipant]

The movement that represents them is called Mgtow (pronounced mig-tau) and it is only the most massive expression of discomfort of an army of hundreds of thousands of men. WHAT?!!
Where the f~~~ does she get the notion that we’re discomforted or even a “movement”?
How typical of a Weemin journalist to take a Male concept and receive it as twisted as her nature can allow, no matter where she’s from.
This only proves the total delusion this society is living under. This article is good for toilet paper.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[Anonymous 18]

With time I expect more attention and commentary from females.

With everything else men invent/discover/create and women jump aboard to provide their finesse.

Fortunately for us we are walking away from that exact finesse toxicity.

But it won’t stop them.

[OldBillParticipant]

While full of the usual misunderstandings and assumptions, the article is surprisingly free of the usual sneering and biases. First that article in the UK and now this. The tipping point has definitely been reached.

2016 is going to be an interesting year for us in the Chinese sense. As more MSM articles about MGTOW are published, more bitter c~~~s will become aware of us, and more DDOS, script, and other attacks will occur. It may behoove us to prepare alternate channels for news about the main site’s condition. Twitter is an option, but the c~~~s and manginas who run would inevitably bow to feminazi whining. An invite-only page on Reddit is out for the same reason Twitter is. Voat may be an option, but I’ll leave any decision up to our more tech savvy members.

While ,the machine translation is serviceable enough, it would be nice if an Italian-speaking member tried their hand at it.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[HeadstrongParticipant 84]

migaata?

Nah but MGTOW is MGTOW, international name and pronounciation id say.

I like all the versions and differnet names, a man walking his own way could be

“A Herbivore MGTOW monk/caveman Opting out”

[bobphiloParticipant 1772]

As an Italian I even find the original text a bit hard to comprehend, but her main theme seems to be favorable to MGTOW. A lot of what she says losses in the translation.
I could see Italian men embracing MGTOW except the feminist PC culture is not nearly as strong there so there is less motivation for men to react. However the fact that we are being written about there might indicate that Italian men are taking an interest in their foreign brethren

Though I’m a bit rusty in my Italian, I would translators MGTOW as “Uomini andando alla loro strada”

[OldBillParticipant]

Thanks for trying, Bobphilo. I thought there would be some difficulty in the translation, especially with the nuances.

My Italian is beyond rusty, was limited mainly to menus and operas, and is influenced a great deal by Latin, but would “Men taking their own road” be a good translation of “Uomini andando alla loro strada”?

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[bobphiloParticipant 1772]

OldBill wrote:

Thanks for trying, Bobphilo. I thought there would be some difficulty in the translation, especially with the nuances.
My Italian is beyond rusty, was limited mainly to menus and operas, and is influenced a great deal by Latin, but would “Men taking their own road” be a good translation of “Uomini andando alla loro strada”?

Yes Bill, I think that “Uomini andando alla loro strada” is a correct translation of MGTOW both literally and figuratively. Taking a strada in Italian can mean taking a literal road or a way of life in a more general sense, just as in English. Perhaps “Omini andando allo loro via” might be a better literal translation.

[OldBillParticipant]

Thanks again, Bobphilo.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Anonymous 42]

Is MGTOW a movement? no!

It’s a “motion”. A motion to permanently suppress gynocentrism!

Feminism stared stirring the culture pot long ago, it’s their endless stirring and beating that has created a centrifuge where men are flung out to the ends of their wits!
Then the magic happens, like picking up a couple extra electrons, we fundamentally change to overcome our FALSE limitations set on us by gynocentrism. We become “MANTRONIUM” the most lethal substance to female narcissism the world has ever seen…
It’s not a movement, it’s a transition…….

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

viri qui via sua eunt propria

Italian is basically just Latin anyway.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[HimeoParticipant 471]

Rockmaninoff, to comment on your signature:

Rockmaninoff wrote:

“Young men are not going to whine about their predicament. They’re not going to organize workshops or support groups (thank goodness). Teenage boys are the one group of Americans who do not like to gather in circles and talk about grievances and misgivings. So what will they do? My guess is that vast numbers will just stop trying and withdraw. It would not be an organized strike. It would just happen. It is happening.”
—Christina Hoff Sommers

While that is true, our History has shown there is a tipping point.

[Dez82Participant 107]

In Italian you can translate MGTOW as “uomini che vanno per la loro strada”.

Given italian females mindset I’m surprised that the writer didn’t try to discredit the movement.. It just seems to me the analysis of a person who can’t fully grasp the MGTOW concept.
In the closing phrase however she shows her open-mindedness: because hunter_75 is “mean”, she thinks a positive male movement is far away. I wonder then what she thinks of femens or other feminist garbage: compared to that hunter_75 is an “altar boy”

[NeutronParticipant 321]

How do you say MGTOW in Italian? Just two words: Arrivederci Baby!

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[cyberguy94Participant 81]

1 Native italian here.
Mgtow can be translated with “uomini che vanno per la loro strada”
autoappartenenza= self ownership
Sbottare= to blurt

2 “Today no one would say that women are more emotional and less rational: the common trend winning, even professional, is feminine and cultural defeat repeated leads the male to retreat in defense. I think this phenomenon will spread. ”

I’m so f~~~ing tired of hearing this f~~~tardery. It’s not about men retreating from “masculine aggressive ” women, there has never been something as “too masculine women” since what we are seeing is the female nature at its worst. They seriously don’t have a clue about what it is to “live as a man” and they are just expanding their femininity without constraints nor responsabilities sinche THEY ARE more emotive (less testosterone) and it would be unbearable for them to keep men’s disposability on their shoulders.

If you want men to accept to lose the so called “power” they <were oblied to fight for to protect and provide for wom> erhm, they had, you should also do your best to also share responsibilities, disposability and to lose your “speciality” as a woman.
Otherwise it would be unbalanced and unfair

[Anonymous 29]

She hails from a country where Feminizm has not been institutionalized as yet, nor is the country capable of pandering to feminatzis politicaly or financialy. Coupled with countries strong social and family culture, they are still lagging behind and the main reason why even though somewhat uninformed, she was fairly even handed.

Meh . . .

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