How do you handle women outside of relationships?

[SolidusXParticipant 854]

So I have been thinking of how women are outside of relationships and how some are gatekeepers. Do you suck it up and say whatever it is you can to get what you want or do you fight?

Outside of romantic relationships these women are usually friends or acquaintances or people you deal with on a regular basis. I usually keep these type of people at arm’s length and keep things friendly enough to allow me to have decent conversations but without giving away anything of importance that could be used against me. How do you deal with these type of people.

The gatekeepers, these are the women that will either allow you to do something or not allow you to do something. Examples include HR people, or someone at a bank in where you are trying to get a loan, or someone tending a lineup. For these type of women how do you handle them?

Knowledge is power..... Don't waste your brain on bullshit

[Freeman_KParticipant 3524]

Poker face, they are not stupid and instantly sense when someone is not genuine. But if you hold a poker face frame and keep them guessing at safe boundaries while still being polite they have nothing.

Older i get i see that every little piece of information you share is bad information. They will abuse everything.

The choices we make, not the chances we take, determine our destiny

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

“How do you handle women outside of relationships?” I don’t. Not anymore, at least.

Nah, but in all seriousness I personally just play the chameleon role if I MUST be around them and say anything to them. I “blend in,” but if they start asking me for too much info, I’m either extremely vague or I make something up.

[narrow road travelerParticipant 1680]

For me I maintain honor in my dealings with everyone. Whether a woman recognizes honor or not is immaterial. Honor and applying dignity to a situation requires no manipulation tactics, and you usually get whatever it is you’re looking for anyway. Whether it’s an advanced position in a corporation, or a loan request if you meet the criteria it will usually pan out in your favor.

In a side note sycophantic behavior is disgusting, everytime I see a man employ it I lose respect for him. Respect in this world is a passport to anywhere on the planet. It’s the gold standard with men.

The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. --Sun Tsu

[Mr. SpockParticipant 10911]

I try to deal with them as little as possible. When I do interact with them I keep my questions and answers to the subject at hand.

Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.

[Anonymous 42]

I live in the woods and don’t have any women I have to deal with, and I volunteer no information and keep my home and privacy a top priority, I’m a social butterfly EXTERMINATOR!

[SolidusXParticipant 854]

Anonymous wrote:

I live in the woods and don’t have any women I have to deal with, and I volunteer no information and keep my home and privacy a top priority, I’m a social butterfly EXTERMINATOR!

lol I wish I could just live in the woods

Knowledge is power..... Don't waste your brain on bullshit

[Anonymous 25]

Keep them at arms length and laugh at them. Just like this:

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Interesting question and topic.

How do you handle women outside of relationships?

You’ll notice — >> INSIDE of a “relationship” , women actually treat their boyfriend or husband worse than if he were only an acquaintance.

Oh they are VERY nice to me, otherwise. Save for a few thoughtless drivers and rude clerks. It’s rare that I will have to discipline one or get snappy.

Family is a different story (more difficult) because they think they can say and do whatever they want. They think they can nag you for drying your hands with “the wrong towel”, or cooking with “the wrong pan”…. or a personal favorite “you can’t say that”. That’s when I apply a little “amused mastery”.

Anonymous wrote:

Keep them at arms length and laugh at them.

Exactly.

If a woman tries anything at all….

“I’m not your boyfriend/husband. I don’t HAVE to listen to you.”.

… and that takes care of it nicely – in just about ANY setting. You can use it with a perfect stranger, your mom, sister, or even your brother’s wife.

It festers in their heads for a long time too.
She will never forget you said it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[SolidusXParticipant 854]

Keymaster wrote:

Family is a different story (more difficult) because they think they can say and do whatever they want. They think they can nag you for drying your hands with “the wrong towel”, or cooking with “the wrong pan”. That’s when I apply a little “amused mastery”.

I had an aunt that was this way, she freaked on me for almost an hour because I used the wrong type of spoon to scoop ice cream to put into the wrong type of bowl. Like WTF they all do the same thing why does it matter what I use.

Knowledge is power..... Don't waste your brain on bullshit

[KeymasterKeymaster]

SolidusX wrote:

Like WTF they all do the same thing why does it matter what I use.

Control freaking.

It’s not about “the spoon”. Like your avatar / The Matrix. “There is no spoon”. It’s just an obsession with nagging and control. Once you realize it, it stops being annoying and starts being funny.

“You dried your hands with the wrong towel!”.
“That’s not the ice cream spoon!”.
“You can’t say that!”.

“I’m not your boyfriend/husband. I don’t HAVE to listen to you.”.

It’s like a bullet proof vest and you can just walk away with a smile. It’s like 1000 agent Smiths swinging at Neo and hitting nothing.

SolidusX wrote:

The gatekeepers, these are the women that will either allow you to do something or not allow you to do something. Examples include HR people, or someone at a bank in where you are trying to get a loan, or someone tending a lineup. For these type of women how do you handle them?

Treat them exactly like I would a man.

Recently a woman (with some power to wield) reacted to this by saying “YOU’RE BEING EXTREMELY RUDE!!!” to which I replied “No. I was being DIRECT. Rude would be calling you names or using foul language. If you have a problem with direct communicating, you can direct me to someone ELSE”.

Instead of “there is no spoon”….. it’s “she has no vagina”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

I take the Shrek approach. Many layers, like an onion. The top layer is for dealing with people I don’t know. Nice, friendly, to the point, have a great day…… No point in being an ass to someone unless they start it.

The inner layers are for people I know and like. I have to say that I’m pretty lucky. My family doesn’t act like that.

Order the good wine

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

SolidusX wrote:

I had an aunt that was this way, she freaked on me for almost an hour because I used the wrong type of spoon to scoop ice cream to put into the wrong type of bowl. Like WTF they all do the same thing why does it matter what I use.

I suspect she was trying to put you on the defensive, to control you, or provoke you to get you into an argument. I worked with a female supervisor who used to try those tactics. I just agreed with everything she said that was not important. It frustrated the hell out of her that I refused to argue with her like she did with her husband.

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

How to win? Dont have them in your life.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[narwhalParticipant]

I would say avoid asking questions as much as possible, always state facts. Particularly avoid asking why questions.

You’re using the wrong spoon?

Why does it matter?

WRONG!

[make] It got the job done.

CORRECT. You are not inviting her to keep talking or showing that you are interested in her thoughts on the matter. You’ve simply state the unarguable truth.

This follows perfectly with what @KM has said above. In his examples as well, he does not ask her what she thinks or feels or give any indication that he thinks that matters.

She’ll probably outwardly despise you for this, while secretly desiring the hell out of you for not putting up with her s~~~.

Ok. Then do it.

[SolidusXParticipant 854]

Keymaster wrote:

Treat them exactly like I would a man.

Recently a woman (with some power to wield) reacted to this by saying “YOU’RE BEING EXTREMELY RUDE!!!” to which I replied “No. I was being DIRECT. Rude would be calling you names or using foul language. If you have a problem with direct communicating, you can direct me to someone ELSE”.

Instead of “there is no spoon”….. it’s “she has no vagina”.

That is a good point, I am already a direct to the point type of person so maybe I will give that a more of a try. I have been told I am a bully in how I talk but to be sometimes especially in business but to be honest I just say exactly what I am thinking and do not care what other little snowflakes think of me when I say it.

Badger wrote:

I suspect she was trying to put you on the defensive, to control you, or provoke you to get you into an argument. I worked with a female supervisor who used to try those tactics. I just agreed with everything she said that was not important. It frustrated the hell out of her that I refused to argue with her like she did with her husband.

Oh she is a huge control freak, everything has to be her way all the time even when she is blatantly wrong or it turns into an argument. I am an Aries and can be stubborn as well so owe definitely bump heads, I am very glad I do not live with her anymore, what a horror show that was.

Knowledge is power..... Don't waste your brain on bullshit

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Barely, as often as possible

Peace brothers

[OldBillParticipant]

Polite, terse, and dismissive.

Polite: You present a formal demeanor towards them. While you are not friendly, you are also not insulting. You are neutral towards them because judging them is not worth your time or effort.

Terse: You provide the minimum amount of information necessary. You volunteer nothing. You do not answer leading questions. You do not gossip or share “news”. You limit the conversation to the facts and nothing but the facts.

Dismissive: You conduct any conversation with a woman with the end of that conversation firmly in mind. You do not ask if there’s anything more. You do not allow additional topics or questions to be introduced. Once the initial topic or question has been handled, you end the encounter.

You show no delight or disgust at their presence. You give them no information beyond that which is absolutely necessary. You end all interactions as soon as practical.

She: “What time does the band go on?”
You: “I don’t know. You need to ask the staff.”
She: “Are you here to see the band?”
You: “No.” (walk away)

She: “Is anyone sitting here?”
You: “No.” (get up and walk away)

She: “Do you come here often?”
You: “No.” (walk away)

She: “It’s an interesting painting, isn’t it?”
You: “Yes.”
She: “What do you think about X, Y, or Z?”
You: “I haven’t finished thinking about it.”
She: “Well, I think blah blah blah.”
You: “I see.” (walk away)

Polite, terse, and dismissive. Give them nothing. Be an Empty Chair.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

I let my inner sociopath and pragmatic (misogynist) out. I’m in an hourly wage job where I know as much or more about the business as my bosses, but I shed responsibility any time it lands in my direction.

My coworkers who are female get truth bombs all day. I operate at work under the same rules as in traffic. Be the craziest person in your line of sight and you’ll get all the room you ever need.

If I cared about moving up my demeanor would be totally different, but with my current set up I put money away every payday and I operate ZFG every day.

Note: this is not viable for most men on here, but I am at a point where I refuse to compromise.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

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