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How do we get young men to absorb the knowledge that we now have?
This question was posed by Big Viking Chief and while I took the liberty of changing one word [people to men] the meaning hasn’t suffered. Please give any and all thoughts on this their chance by replying. It’s wholesale slaughter out there.
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
I think the best thing to do for young men is to point out the complete bulls~~~ women pull as it happens. Open their eyes to reality. You can’t just approach a young man and be like, listen son, women are all raging c~~~s, don’t ever get married, because later on that night, when his girlfriend is sucking him off, he’s just going to think how stupid you are.
Just make sure he knows about his uncle who got cheated on and divorce raped in a no fault divorce, the neighbor who got thrown out of the house and hit with a restraining order because of false accusations, your buddy who got trapped by a nasty bitch that was “on the pill,” or the beta bucks joker who married the town whore and gets cheated on quite regularly while he’s working long hours, etc.
The best you can hope for is to give a young man the tools to protect himself from a situation that will f~~~ him over for many, many years of his life. You can guide the next generation on the long, dangerous trek to the watering hole, unfortunately some of them won’t make it, and some of them will refuse to drink when they get there.
The false rape accusation story did hit home with me when I was young because I saw the pain it caused a friend. I no longer flirted and partied with chicks…until I got a steady girlfriend. Then she was my only real female exposure.
Maybe that’s the message to push in order to get through to them, but you just know the backlash that will bring will make it appear that MGTOW defends rapists. And we certainly do not condone rape.
BVC
Swallow this RED PILL ===> Men will lay down their lives for their brothers, their women and their children. This makes Men useful as slaves. Women will lay down their lives for ONLY their children. To expect more from women is just a FANTASY created by society and reinforced by the unconditional love that we experienced from our Mothers. The key to freedom is the understanding that the woman you meet is not going to fantastically love you like your Mother did. If you buy into the fantasy, then she is your new master. If you do not buy into the fantasy, then she is nothing, and you retain your freedom.
I am sorry to say, most men have to hit bottom, before they are willing to change their basic preconceived notions. (Think AA, except swap in giving up pussy for giving up booze.)
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Anonymous25by holding ourselves to a higher standard and finding a way to be around the younger generation of men to have a positive influence on them just by being who you are.
The principle of Satygraha. Just the way Ghandi did it. Non-violent opposition.
This is a very valid question imo. When I was 20 years old, there was no internet. What red pill information there was that was available to me was limited to my own ability to perceive it in my immediate environment. The avalanche of blue pill information and expectation from mass media was still there as it is now. That left me with a decision to make between trusting what I could clearly see vs trusting what I was being told over and over. I acted on what red pill observations I had made, but did so with the lingering doubts created by all that blue pill information being blasted at me. As a result, I didn’t act on my own observations nearly as aggressively as I could have/should have.
I watched perhaps a dozen friends around me get sucked in and shredded, and that reenforced my own observations, but at the price of all those friend’s homes, assets, children etc. This is not an efficient process.
Today, younger men (who have not yet been enticed into sacrificing themselves for a gynocentric culture that does not value them) have much more efficient access to these observations. The ability of the internet to deliver information has grown faster than the ability to restrict it. We’ve dispensed the information gained from our own experiences to individuals (like Vector for example) who’ve come here and asked. And I think it’s been of some use to him. I have almost no connection to him but am very happy and feel my own sense of accomplishment to have contributed in some small way from the situation he almost got sucked into.
But as happy as I am about that, dispensing this information from one man at a time to one man at a time is probably still not as efficient as it could be. But having proven that this information can save a younger man from this, the next thought I have is, “How can we do this more, faster, better, more efficiently…?”.
I’ve been thinking about an idea I had for this site, or one like it, and I’ll throw it out here. I’m not personally invested in this idea so feel free to point out reasons I haven’t yet recognized for why it may not be a good one.
What if there was a sort of a library here that younger guys here could either find easily on their own, or be directed to when they arrive? For example, a young man with a question about marriage might google something like “pros and cons of marriage” and find his way to an online library here with a list of links to articles that many have posted in different threads here. For example, articles on community property and what it means and which states use it, articles on the divorce rate by region, the statistics on what chance men actually have for getting custody by region, what title 9 funds are and what they mean, changes in social security retirement benefits for married vs single people, etc etc).
As much as I thought I knew before coming to this site, I’ve seen other members posting articles explaining a variety of things I’d either never known about, or never thought about. I knew the child support laws were skewed, but never had heard of title 9 funds. The links to these articles right now would be difficult to find without wandering through all the old threads. But a library where those things could be more easily accessed would maybe be useful.
I think there’s still some resistance among some to take the red pill. Others have said, and I agree, that you can’t force someone to take the red pill. You can’t force someone to see something they are in denial about. But once they become willing and receptive to it, we should at the very least have the most efficient possible way to deliver it that we can devise…(?)
Ultimately, my goal would be that it would be as easy for a young man to research how to interact with women safely as for him to research something like using a power saw or a blow torch (also useful for specific purposes, but enormously dangerous if you don’t know in advance how they can harm you before you put your hands on one).
Alternatively, maybe there could be some kind of index page with all the old threads listed and links to immediately go to them so that we would be able to more easily direct new members to information in those old threads….?
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
To me Red Pill Knowledge is the truth about female psychology and sexuality stripped of trad con and feminist beliefs and theory.I wish SOOOO much that i knew 20 25 + years ago what i know now .Would have been a whole lot less painful .
frankly my dear i don't give a damn
How do we get young men to absorb the knowledge that we now have?
By being awesome. And letting everyone else see how awesome you are.
When young men are confronted with the pain and cost of serving gynocentrism versus the clear material benefits of going your own way, the choice is obvious. Whenever you are asked, “How did you get to be so successful?” just reply, “By not wasting time or money on women.”
Indeed I’d second BrainPilot’s suggestion. I’ve had a number of general feelings along those lines myself.
The advancement of online MGTOW space has certainly helped a lot in enabling the spread of knowledge that has been effectively blocked for some time now, and the community affirmations certainly help give enough confidence to drop a red pill here and there on occasion.
Vector’s case was certainly a treat where we had someone who realized they had an immediate need for knowledge happened upon the very place that had the answers he needed. I’m just waiting for that final confirmation post of his to crack open the champagne.
But if we can put together a library with organized explanations, answers and corresponding evidence that really shows what going on it would give a collection that could be pointed to in order to help young men along. And once it’s there, if it’s good enough young men would be likely to share it among their friends and with the strength of Opt-out-culture as fertile ground MGTOW could spread rapidly.
I’d like to add and extra thank you to KeyMaster and the others that put this place together and keep advancing it. The advancement of this place put’s a little extra spring in my step.
With the youth being assailed by massive distractions by media and social networks they seem IRL socially awkward and timid.
Sidecar got it right: Be steadfast and give small advice when they listen. There is a fine line between a role model and an authoritarian. These kids have parents already..albeit blue Pillers.
Personally traveling the world without limits shows them what a well-paid MGTOW can be. If they want to follow that path. sobeit. If not, well IP MAN said himself: Every man follows his own path.
The problem with this is that people will only listen to what they already know.
proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome
They are already here, and more is a coming. That’s why mgtow is becoming a phenomenon, to begin with the young folk is walking away.
Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.
I don’t want to sound negative or hopeless about it all, but here is my take.
Think about who YOU were at age 17 or 18. Think about who you are now at 30, 40, or whatever age you are now. Big difference in your way of thinking right?
As young men, we are all filled with thoughts of unlimited potential. We believe that life is going to be grand one day. We believe that we are entitled to and will get a wonderful wife who loves us till death do us part. How do you tell a young man that it’s all bulls~~~ fairy tale fantasies?
Think about it like this. Folks who end up going to, say, med school. During their undergraduate years they were probably warned by others “Med school is no joke. If it doesn’t kill you it will make you wish you were dead.” But of course, it falls on deaf ears. As young men nothing scares us. “Pffft, please, I ain’t afraid of med school, bring it on!”
There are SO MANY young men out there that fall depressed and end up abusing alcohol and drugs. Many a times they say that there reason for being so depressed is because “No girls ever like me.” or “I haven’t even kissed a girl yet” or “Why don’t girls ever go out with me even when I get the nerve to ask them out.” or “If I can’t find love, then I do not want to live.”
How do we get these young men to not be so damn depressed because they haven’t found “the one” and that “the one” is just bulls~~~ thinking anyway!
It took me until age 41 (now) to finally be okay with it. To finally swallow the red pill. To finally realize that I am not a three headed freak because I am not considered a dream guy for any woman. To finally realize that I am not a three headed freak because I have lost all interest in women (except pussy of course, I haven’t lost interest in that, although even that has diminished a little bit).
Women are parasites. Each and every last one of them.
Think about who YOU were at age 17 or 18. Think about who you are now at 30, 40, or whatever age you are now. Big difference in your way of thinking right?
But here’s the thing, we don’t need to worry about converting 17 and 18 year olds to MGTOW, because at that age by and large the women will be doing it for us. Just look at the statistics for single men at that age. Almost none of them are getting laid while their female counterparts are off riding the carousel.
Our concern shouldn’t be enlightening them at 20, but rather at 30 before they start shelling out the beta bucks, at which point they should have enough personal observations to readily see the truth of things.
But here’s the thing, we don’t need to worry about converting 17 and 18 year olds to MGTOW, because at that age by and large the women will be doing it for us. Just look at the statistics for single men at that age. Almost none of them are getting laid while their female counterparts are off riding the carousel. Our concern shouldn’t be enlightening them at 20, but rather at 30 before they start shelling out the beta bucks, at which point they should have enough personal observations to readily see the truth of things.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. Pretty much from the time I was 18, until I finished my second degree at age 28, most of my life consisted of work and school, and most of my money went toward paying tuition and paying my mortgage(bought my first property at 22). I guess I always had a long term outlook on life and never wanted to get buried with student loans, car payments, rent, etc, and enter my 30s in debt. I had a few relationships during that period, so I’m not bitter virgin guy or anything, but it seemed like most of my peers during that time were more interested in chasing after the party boys and the players…aka, riding the c~~~ carousel.
Needless to say…I’m 31 now, I’m in great shape financially, have an awesome job, own my own place, have a nice car, no criminal record, and never got into heavy drinking/drugs, and kept myself in shape, so I’m a 31 year old that looks mid 20s still, not a 31 year old who looks 40. In other words, I’m pretty set up with a stress free life, and I’m at a point where I can start going after my wants in life, because my needs are now a small % of my budget.
Surprise, surprise, over the last year, since its become obvious s~~~ has really been coming together for me, I’ve gotten more attention from females around my age than I did from 20-28…but its blatantly obvious why. Most of them are buried in student loan debt for a degree in a low paying field, saddled with car payments, and struggling to make rent each month, so now its time to look for a rescuer.
But what they don’t understand…is I’ve really developed a f~~~ you attitude towards women like them…even if they are hot, it doesn’t matter, I know how they spent their last 10-15 years and why they are in such a s~~~ty position. Even if I didn’t watch them do it, I’ve watched thousands of others do it throughout 10 years I spent on college campuses. While they were busy having fun and digging a hole for themselves(to be fair a lot of men do this in their 20’s as well) I was busting my ass because I never wanted to have to worry about being in debt. The same types of girls that wouldn’t have been overly eager to get to know me 5 years ago because I worked late Friday nights instead of going out bar hopping, and picked up extra hours on spring break instead of going to Cancun, are now showing a noticeable increase in interest in me…but wtf do I want with them? If I just want some pussy, its not that hard to get something with less rotations around the c~~~ carousel, and if I wanted a relationship I’d rather hold out for one that doesn’t come bundled with 50-100k worth of debt after I’ve worked so hard to avoid my own debt.
I don’t think I’d even want to date about 98% of females between 28-33…and for the exact reason you stated…personal observation. Its nothing to do with MGTOW, and nothing to do with any advice anyone ever gave me, or anything anyone ever told me, especially since far more people encourage me to find a wife than not to…its all because I’ve been living amongst them, observing them, and interacting with them long enough to know what an overwhelming majority of them are really like. If someone gave me a MGTOW book when I turned 18, I’d probably have laughed at it…at 31 I’d gladly contribute a chapter to it.
Think about who YOU were at age 17 or 18. Think about who you are now at 30, 40, or whatever age you are now. Big difference in your way of thinking right?
But here’s the thing, we don’t need to worry about converting 17 and 18 year olds to MGTOW, because at that age by and large the women will be doing it for us. Just look at the statistics for single men at that age. Almost none of them are getting laid while their female counterparts are off riding the carousel. Our concern shouldn’t be enlightening them at 20, but rather at 30 before they start shelling out the beta bucks, at which point they should have enough personal observations to readily see the truth of things.
I hear what you are saying. I wish though, that I had the MGTOW attitude when I was 17-27. I truly wish I had it back then. It would have saved me a lot of heart ache. It would have saved me a lot of self doubt. It would have saved me a lot of time and money, that is for sure.
Women are parasites. Each and every last one of them.
About this issue, I propose that we keep a comprehensive list about documented case where a man got toasted by a t~~~.
This list should serve as education material to show examples of what can happen when you try to deal with t~~~s.
I hear what you are saying. I wish though, that I had the MGTOW attitude when I was 17-27. I truly wish I had it back then. It would have saved me a lot of heart ache. It would have saved me a lot of self doubt. It would have saved me a lot of time and money, that is for sure.
It could be a lot worse. I feel so bad for guys like my dad that for some reason stuck around in a miserable marriage with an ungreatful, bitchy, never happy wife. He’s now in his early 60’s and wants to retire soon, but my mom threatens him with divorce for no good reason every few months. Had he just told her to f~~~ off 10-15 years ago he could have just cut his losses and still had time to rebuild financially, but its too late for that now…he’s either stuck with her, or has to massacre his savings at an age he’ll never recover…either way I don’t think he’s really looking forward to retirement as much as one should. At least by cutting free in your late 20’s/early 30’s you gave yourself time to not be stuck in a s~~~ty situation like that.
I wish though, that I had the MGTOW attitude when I was 17-27. I truly wish I had it back then. It would have saved me a lot of heart ache. It would have saved me a lot of self doubt. It would have saved me a lot of time and money, that is for sure.
I hear that. But sometimes you just gotta take your lumps because you didn’t know any better. I’ve wasted my own share of money on a number of bad choices, and I’ll probably make more mistakes in the future. In that respect women are nothing more than another Sony Betamax or Apple Newton. The trick is not making the same mistakes going forward, and with that in mind I’m sure as hell not wasting money on another Betamax, Newton, or woman ever again.
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