How are MGTOWs supposed to have kids?

[J.D SilvernailParticipant 383]

Is it possible for a man to never get married, have kids, and have full custody of those kids in western society in this day and age? Will we get new rights that we’ve never had before? I have a feeling that things are going to change for the better? In order for us to make a new generation of MGTOW we must procreate. How are we supposed to do that without a woman’s help?

I'm married to the game,but she broke her vows.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

Surrogacy. Cristiano Ronaldo did it.

However, there’s really nothing that a mgtow is “supposed to” do.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[LeavesParticipant 55]

Of course you can problem about children will stick.
Even getting married with contract is very possible and if i would ever marry a women just with a 100% split contract so she can’t take s~~~ from me.
Also everything I buy will be my own – buying a house? I pay why should she be in contract? Car? Ok lets go but i will buy and it will run on my name done.

Only thing you cant influence that easy is about care of Children. Thats difficult but if you have the contract in place it’s more unlikely she will leave you because of that cause she cant take the sugar with her also you do not have to pay for her just for the kids that comes with costs but if i see men becoming homeless because of women i feel sick.

Back to marry a women – no point at all! Why cause of paper? If she loves you so much why does she need a paper to say so? Because of the Name? People wont even notice you can call for men and women wear rings and everything not uncommen to stick with own names even the kids Name can be or another or both without being married.

But i dont see that taking care of children will ever be fair like 50 50 to get. Also what is with the time you see your kid? Every second weekend? Thats totally unfair makes no sense even if the child is more likely to stick with his father it cant if it hasnt reached a certain age – if the female does not agree the child sticks with mommy if it likes it or not. Also female are more likely to brainwash their children wich is sad to be against their own father.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I have to ask “Why do you want children?” Is it to have little copies of yourself? To dominate another life? To try to make your son or daughter into a better person than you or your woman of choice were in your own lives?

If you just want to project your genes into the future, the Johnny Appleseed approach is the best. Travel under a pseudonym and knock up a bunch of drunk bar chicks all over the country. Simple and easy.

But if it’s something else… really… why do you want to have children?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

J.D Silvernail wrote:

Is it possible for a man to never get married, have kids, and have full custody of those kids in western society in this day and age?

Yes. Surrogacy.

Pay one woman for the egg. The other to carry it to term. About $40K-$50K. Infinitely cheaper than a wife…. and neither of them can claim to be “the mother”.

NOTE: A friend of mine has TWO brothers that did this. One of them knew he was stupid when he actually started dating the egg donor. Because of a stupid new “lesbian law” loophole, she tried to take the kids in order to get a monthly check out of him because she “acted like a mother” sometimes. He paid her to f~~~ off and realized he was an idiot because he allowed himself to get trapped by the very thing he set out to avoid.

She was a DOCTOR TOO. It wasn’t even about the money. It was just to p~~~ him off.
F~~~ing AWALT. She’s history now.

Otherwise… the only kids a man can have, are the kids a woman ALLOWS him to have.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

$50,000 to have a child who is going to grow up to hate you? Call me a cynic but I just don’t see the value.

Children are for women.

Take the $50,000 and invest it in some stupid product for women with babies and make $50 million. Then you can start a foundation for orphan kids and have a thousand children come to depend on you and call you daddy.

[SolidusXParticipant 854]

Stargazer wrote:

$50,000 to have a child who is going to grow up to hate you? Call me a cynic but I just don’t see the value.

Children are for women.

Take the $50,000 and invest it in some stupid product for women with babies and make $50 million. Then you can start a foundation for orphan kids and have a thousand children come to depend on you and call you daddy.

I really do not see the point in kids in this day in age either, they are overpriced and more stress than they are worth. Why not take your money and invest it in something that will enrich your life.

Knowledge is power..... Don't waste your brain on bullshit

[experiencedParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

J.D Silvernail wrote:

Is it possible for a man to never get married, have kids, and have full custody of those kids in western society in this day and age?

Yes. Surrogacy.

Pay one woman for the egg. The other to carry it to term. About $40K-$50K. Infinitely cheaper than a wife…. and neither of them can claim to be “the mother”.

NOTE: A friend of mine has TWO brothers that did this. One of them knew he was stupid when he actually started dating the egg donor. Because of a stupid new “lesbian law” loophole, she tried to take the kids in order to get a monthly check out of him because she “acted like a mother” sometimes. He paid her to f~~~ off and realized he was an idiot because he allowed himself to get trapped by the very thing he set out to avoid.

She was a DOCTOR TOO. It wasn’t even about the money. It was just to p~~~ him off.
F~~~ing AWALT. She’s history now.

Otherwise… the only kids a man can have, are the kids a woman ALLOWS him to have.

This is the only way.
Otherwise it’s like lying back, face upward, with your neck in a guillotine cradle, for a “close shave.”

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[BoarParticipant]

Stargazer wrote:

Then you can start a foundation for orphan kids and have a thousand children come to depend on you and call you daddy.

Well said. Fathering and genes are two separate things. I have been fathered by a lot of men who were not relatives, but I still count them as family.

The big issue is how to father without interacting with the whimyn that popped the kid out….

Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.

[DarkRyuParticipant 2354]

I can’t imagine anything worse than having a kid. They’re nothing but a $250,000 unnecessary expense that will drag you down. I can’t believe so many idiots have a kid (or two or three!) and live in an apartment when they could have taken that money and actually owned a home. The sad part is, it’s mostly stupid people that end up having kids. Smart people usually have 0-2 kids, and the kids they do end up having are usually accidents. The dumber you are, the more kids you have. It’s as simple as that.

I know for a fact that I will NEVER have kids. If I ended up having one by accident (which really isn’t possible because I don’t have sex), I’d probably commit suicide because it would totally f~~~ up my life. Either that or flee to another country and assume another identity. I mean, you have to be pretty f~~~ed up (or a woman) to look at the situation objectively and STILL want to have a kid.

[SolidParticipant 7520]

I don’t see the point of reproduce, there are several f~~~ing billions of people in the world, there is no need to +1.
I don’t feel like a special snow flake who will give blessed genes or anything like that.

I being a father, even trying my best, I know that it won’t be that good for the children, to completely grow up he/she will need a complete home, he/she will always feel different from other kids in several ways, like single happen with mothers and the “missing father figure”, but you don’t usually see single fathers as you see single mothers, there are much more single mothers today than you can imagine, and it’s growing exponentially.

So, even being possible for several different ways, not saying that all of them are legal of course, if you only want to propagate MGTOW ideas, I think that there are several ways much better than bring a child to this world.

I won’t risk my life doing such a thing with a c~~~ that would be able to stab me in the back, I will do it in a country where laws usually favor the contract, and not the social bulls~~~.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Take a look at this, and then think over how many children you want to bring into the world:

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[AttonParticipant]

How are we supposed to do that without a woman’s help?

The artificial womb or Sith alchemy which can be rather dangerous.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[JVBParticipant]

Nope. Never seen the appeal of either. Marriage holds you down, kids hold you back. I like my money, being debt free and can do what the f~~~ ,when the f~~~.

Peace is > piece.

[PhantomParticipant 3328]

experienced wrote:

This is the only way.
Otherwise it’s like lying back, face upward, with your neck in a guillotine cradle, for a “close shave.”

Damn brother! That makes my hellish nightmare post a while back, look good to me in comparison. F~~~in’ true…

18 years of payments for a son I have never seen & probably never will.

Keymaster wrote:

Otherwise… the only kids a man can have, are the kids a woman ALLOWS him to have.

And yet, with calling the shots on kids & sex, it still isn’t enough, and they want to control/run a man into the ground as well.

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

J.D Silvernail wrote:

In order for us to make a new generation of MGTOW we must procreate. How are we supposed to do that without a woman’s help?

Why are you taking responsibility for humanity? The future of the human race is not my problem. It’s not yours either.

If you want to mentor, do volunteer work. There are plenty of nonprofits that need a hand.

If you want to leave a lasting impact on the world, invent a longer-lasting lightbulb.

[bobphiloParticipant 1772]

That’s assuming the girl you get pregnant doesn’t go and kill the baby in the abortion clinic as a sacrifice to Satan. You know, the things feminist c~~~s like doing the most, murdering baby’s. Me personally, I don’t want kids in this God forsaken s~~~ hole we call planet earth, even if I find the mythical unicorn I don’t want kids, me and my unicorn would make beautiful unicorn baby’s though.

You don’t seem to realize the difference between a fetus and a sentient human being. Women who get abortions are not making a sacrifice to Satan. Where are getting the crazy idea that they are Satanists? In fact there should be more of them to cut down on the number of single mothers.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

J.D Silvernail wrote:

In order for us to make a new generation of MGTOW we must procreate. How are we supposed to do that without a woman’s help?

I direct this to younger MGTOW but it apples to most.
I have had 3 kids (I raised solo for many years) was remarried and took on 3 more. I feel I am qualified to speak on this.

First is do you really know what having a kid means?

There are stages you have to go through.
Get an SUV or better a 4 door truck before you even get the kid home. You will be hauling lots of crap and a kid in a car seat.

Infants: 100% maintenance no reward, sleepless nights, making bottles (cause men can’t whip out a tit at 2am), S~~~ty diapers, lots of feedings. Best to have some live in help or no job. Forget sleep, and drag a huge bag, strollers, car seats with you wherever you go. YOU ARE MULE it take a strong will and a strong back. Having relatives as live-ins can be messy especially if you have different parenting methods. Expect tension and some fighting about stupid things like bed times.

Toddlers: They can be fun and they give unconditional love, but damn they get into everything and take bigger s~~~s, while still in diapers. Lock down your home and keep them from killing themselves. Water, electricity, poisons, choking, chords, toys everything in your home is potential a death. It’s nerve wracking. If you have any OCD you will be fetal in 3 days. Let the house go to clutter s~~~ and just keep it sanitary and safe.

K-6th grade: No diapers, kids adore, you they look up to you and you start passing your values. This is a rewarding time. Cons are lots of homework, and you must keep them engaged in school. Soccer, art, band whatever. Count on a least 3-5 activities. They don’t know what they want so they try everything. This is expensive and the schools beg for money almost daily.

Teens can go either way. They can turn on you or still respect you. Drugs, sex all that stuff you have to discuss and watch for. If you can guide them towards scholarships, grades, work and future plans go for it. It’s a crap shoot.
Expenses lean more towards big xmas gifts, popular clothing, and facial scrubs. Less the of the school panhandling to you everyday. You can do so much together if they are willing. Fishing, camping, ball games. Best to do what they like more than what you like if you value your time together more than the activity itself.

Having an adult child that can take good care of themselves is a great feeling. I would not discourage anyone from experiencing it. Just know it’s a long long road and be ready for some huge sacrifices.

How do you do it without a woman. I did. I used sitters and family and taught them to take care of themselves. By Jr. high I could leave them alone to watch each other. My best advice is have a plan and buy all that (infant) stuff before baby shows up. Baby showers are a huge help for getting things you will need. Sounds feminine but logistically it makes sense.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[J.D SilvernailParticipant 383]

Stargazer wrote:

I have to ask “Why do you want children?”

I want to create a new generation of MGTOWs, and like you said I want some little copies of myself.

I'm married to the game,but she broke her vows.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

J.D Silvernail wrote:

Is it possible for a man to never get married, have kids, and have full custody of those kids in western society in this day and age? Will we get new rights that we’ve never had before? I have a feeling that things are going to change for the better? In order for us to make a new generation of MGTOW we must procreate. How are we supposed to do that without a woman’s help?

This sounds like a problem from Algorithms class.

Ditto to Frostbyte. Appreciate his post – that’s it in a nutshell.

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