How Are Gf's NOT Prostitutes

[Anonymous 6]

If a woman expects the man to pay for tickets, meals, and trips in the “dating” process, and all she contributes is, in some women’s words, “affection” and sex; then how is she not a prostitute? Mind you, I don’t consider prostitution to be “wrong” or “bad” at all. If it were up to me, I’d make it legal today. I’m just wondering why people can’t call a spade a spade.

The woman have sex with the man because the man spends money on her – her rationalization being he’s showing his “love” for her or he’s being “romantic”. She would not have sex with the man if the man does not spend money on her – her rationalization being he’s not “exciting” or “fun”. If the relationship is based on the man willing to open up his wallet and the woman willing to spread her legs, then why can’t we label it as prostitution?

Some say a relationship like that cannot be compared with prostitution because the woman in the relationship does not expect a man to give her an envelop of cash and then take her cloth off. This is true, but the fact that there’s no direct cash-for-goods transaction does not mean that a money-for-favor transaction did not take place. A good example is that a congressman who votes in favor of a piece of law after being wined, dined and taken to trips by lobbyists can still be charged with corruption, even if he did not receive an envelop of cash before he cast his vote.

I mostly wrote this as a rant. I see men in the society are expected to pay for this and that for women in the dating process. But these woman are not looked down or criticized for trading sex for money, while prostitution is still illegal in most western countries. It just seems a bit weird to me. In the modern era, this is a strange phenomenon.

[DarkRyuParticipant 2354]

ALL women are whores and EVERY woman has her price. They just don’t want to see themselves as whores. So if you just walked up to some hot woman and offered her an envelope of cash in exchange for sex, most would walk away thinking you were a creep (or call the cops on you). That’s not the “socially acceptable” way to pay for sex. Instead you’ve got to exchange time and money on things to give to the woman. Then she can convince herself that you “love” her or care about her and she has sex with you because she wants to continue to receive your “love.” But you’re right. It’s blatant prostitution. Women love to cloud the issues with emotions and other BS, but it all boils down to a financial transaction.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I once logged into PayPal and saw this ad and saved a snapshot of it.

Immediately I realized all of my “girlfriends” LOVED being treated like a whore — exchanging food and gifts for sex. Sometimes I would get sex and one of them actually brought me breakfast and gave me head afterwards ( which was rare ) but if I treated her like a prostitute on Valentine’s Day, they LOVED it!

Conversely, when I did NOT treat them like a prostitute…. they HATED it.

Eventually even an ex-girlfriend once said to me “all women are whores” which actually ELEVATED my opinion of her. Because I don’t have a problem with a whore who embraces it and knows what she is. I have a problem with women who behave like whores, while pretending they’re NOT whores. Who are s~~~ at their jobs and still behave like they should be treated like whores, without being satisfying in any way.

The worst kind of whore is the one who wants to be treated like a whore, while expecting not to put out. And the last thing a man needs is a whore who doesn’t know how to do her job.

I told a girlfriend once “If a man wants a whore, he would be more rewarded to HIRE one. She will come over when he wants, to give him exactly what he wants, and she’s not leaving until HE is satisfied. And when he IS satisfied…. she WILL leave without any argument. That’s what the money is for. To get out when I’m done. Not to live with me rent free, eat all my f~~~ing food, behave like bitch, nag and complain and NOT put out – all under the guise of “love”.”

How Are Gf’s NOT Prostitutes

Don’t forget whore wives.

“Fix the bathroom tiles honey, or there will be no nookie for you tonight”.

That’s a whore in her own marriage.

This is what jewelry commercials are. Commercials for how to treat women like prostitutes! And they LOVE IT!!!

THE MESSAGE: “SURPRISE HER with her a diamond, and she will give you ALL of her affection on a day she normally would NOT.”.

THE REALITY: TREAT HER LIKE A PROSTITUTE, AND SHE WILL LOVE YOU FOR IT.

But what they love even more, is when you treat them like a prostitute and they don’t even put out for it. Some men actually treat women like whores and pay women to NOT get laid, while she f~~~s his good friend for FREE. Getting paid $3 million + property to not f~~~ her own husband makes that whore positively giddy.

She’s a whore – and admits she’s a whore – but it took a man to point out that she’s a GOOD FOR NOTHING HUGELY-OVERPRICED whore.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

They’re not considered prostitutes because it’s not just for sex and affection, but dating – being boyfriend/girlfriend is considered as means to an end, not as a goal by itself; it’s like a prelude to starting a family and having kids. So whatever behavior leading to it automatically gets a pass and loses negative overtones.
Just answering your question, not advocating anything I mentioned here

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

My two cents worth is that a woman is not a prostitute just because she’s accepting money and free s~~~ and giving sex… to make her a prostitute, the man must be giving her the money and free s~~~ IN ORDER TO GET THE SEX.

The transaction requires both parties.

When I have sex with a woman, my time, attention and energy are worth just as much to her as hers are to me. Typically I’m the one expending the majority of the effort, I’m the one making sure my partner enjoys herself and has an orgazm. I’m setting the mood, preparing the environment, initiating the contact, and, for the most part, taking responsibility for the experience being good. So my sex is just as valuable or more so as hers is.

This goes in conjunction with me splitting the tab with the women I am with, of course, so there is no implication that gifts given in the past or future are done to insure repeated sexual access.

So bottom line… if you split the tab with a woman and you give as good as you get in bed, she’s not a prostitute. But if you pay her for access to her body and you’re a three pump chump, she is in your eyes, whether she intended to be or not.

Don’t blame her for taking free s~~~ in addition to contributing better sex than you do, that s~~~ is on you.

This is in line with my overall philosophy that women can only be as bad as and get away with as much s~~~ as we men allow them to. If they have advantage over us it’s not because they are better and smarter than us and are controlling us, it can only be because we have failed to control ourselves.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Stargazer wrote:

My two cents worth is that a woman is not a prostitute just because she’s accepting money and free s~~~ and giving sex… to make her a prostitute, the man must be giving her the money and free s~~~ IN ORDER TO GET THE SEX. The transaction requires both parties.

MMMMMNNNnnnnnnot exactly.

Think about it. What does a whore actually DO?
A whore doesn’t actually PUT OUT and f~~~ openly and freely.

She withholds it —- >>>> until she gets something ELSE.
An unrelated price or condition of some kind.

So it doesn’t depend on who pays, at all. She’s a “whore” whether any man pay her price or not. Any sexual act not based on a sex-for-sex exchange is prostition. So is paying her to NOT f~~~ you.

She’s a “whore” where she f~~~s you or not.

Any woman who withholds sex for an unrelated price or condition to be met is a whore. More to the point, she doesn’t even talk about f~~~ing you. She’s talks about NOT f~~~ing you…. UNLESS. And some whores are more expensive than others. She doesn’t say “I will f~~~ you for X”, the whore makes a point of saying “no sex will take place , unless X”.

“I will NOT have sex until he takes me out for dinner 3 times first”.

= Whore.

“I will NOT have sex unit he tells me that he loves me.”.

= Cheap whore.

“I will NOT have sex until he pays the biggest price a man can possibly pay with a marriage contract.”.

= Hugely overpriced unfulfilling whore.

“Fix the bathroom tiles or there will be no nookie for you tonight”.

= Whore in her own marriage.

How many women do you know withheld sex until some unrelated price or condition was met first???
Lemme guess. All of them have – at least at one point in their lives.

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There is prostitution going on in every restaurant tonight. Whether she f~~~s him or not, she’s a whore.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

A whore by profession is a person who offers to provide sexual services in exchange for cash and/or other goods or services. She/he becomes a whore in practice when someone engages her/his services and provides said cash, goods or services in exchange for sex.

Likewise, a chef by profession is a person who offers to prepare food in exchange for cash and/or other goods or services. They become a chef in practice when someone engages them and provides the cash, goods or services in exchange for the prepared meal.

What you are describing is a grifter or con artist, possibly even extortionist. In your scenario, a person promises to provide sex, accepts cash, goods and or services in exchange for the promised sex but then refuses to deliver, or delivers in far lesser quantity or quality than promised.

This is not a business transaction, this is a criminal act. If any other type of service provider did this, any reasonable person would sue them for breach of contract.

My point is that giving sex or withholding sex does not make a person a whore in practice… it requires the second person’s agreement to provide cash and prizes in exchange for sex to complete the arrangement. A whore with no customers is no more a whore than a chef with no diners is a chef. It requires the involvement of the customer to make them in practice what they are offering to be in profession.

And in your case, it takes a potential client who is also an idiot to first agree to the transaction of cash and prizes for sex and then allow themselves to get repeatedly and continually cheated out of what they paid for.

So long as men keep putting out the saucer, women will keep coming around to drink. We can not simply blame women for their role and take no responsibility for our own. When men stop agreeing to pay for sex and stop settling for being cheated, there will be no more whores and no more grifting.

Believe me, whining about women being whores and grifters does nothing… us changing ourselves is a lot more potentially effective than wishing or expecting them to behave any differently.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Stargazer wrote:

A whore by profession is a person who offers to provide sexual services in exchange for cash and/or other goods or services. She/he becomes a whore in practice when someone engages her/his services and provides said cash, goods or services in exchange for sex.

Yes. A whore by profession.

But a whore girlfriend ( or wife ) who “whores” in her personal relationship or marriage is not a whore by profession. She’s a whore who pretends she’s NOT a whore. That’s what I’m talking about. I have no issue with the “whore by profession”. The whore by profession is more respect-worthy than the other kind.

This is about girlfriends (and wives) who actually behave like “whores by profession” whilst pretending they aren’t.

They are the only whores who f~~~ you on credit and expect to collect later.

Stargazer wrote:

This is not a business transaction, this is a criminal act. If any other type of service provider did this, any reasonable person would sue them for breach of contract.

Funny you mention. First thought that comes to mind, is a husband who wrote an “open letter” to his wife and had it read on the air, while his wife was sitting next to him in the car.

He explained behaving like a whore (starting on their honeymoon) was an unacceptable misrepresentation and total breach of contract.

Stargazer wrote:

So long as men keep putting out the saucer, women will keep coming around to drink.

Whoring, and preferring to behave like a whore ( and be treated like one ) is their nature. It’s the oldest profession and it actually affords women with no skills, brains, drive, talent or ability to be able to earn as much as a doctor with no more than what God gave her.

Personally, I would recommend any man NOT treat women like prostitutes and insist a sex-for-sex exchange is the ONLY ACCEPTABLE ARRANGEMENT. No dinner. No drinks. No purchase. No concert tickets. No diamond. No marriage contract. Sex-for-sex only, if it’s FREE.

Watch the whores go out of their minds.

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Some time ago (about 2007/9), I made a pact with myself that I would stop treating women like prostitutes and if we were going to eat, we would have sex FIRST…. and then, IF I wanted to spend time with her, we might go out for dinner, drinks, or a movie – or whatever.

I made this “policy” in my personal life when I dated a criminal defense attorney just starting out. She was 26 and very cute. On our first date, she came over and we had sex almost immediately. It freaked me so out, because I was not used to a “date” starting out ……. with a bang.

…. and then, we were hungry afterwards, we went out and she paid.

About as far from a “whore” as I had been in years.

PS. I didn’t totally adhere to my new policy, but there were definitely no more whore GFs getting away with lording sex over my head like a bargaining tool anymore. I did away with that nicely.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Keymaster wrote:

I made this “policy” in my personal life when I dated a criminal defense attorney just starting out. She was 26 and very cute. On our first date, she came over and we had sex almost immediately. It freaked me so out, because I was not used to a “date” starting out ……. with a bang.

…. and then, we were hungry afterwards, we went out and she paid.

About as far from a “whore” as I had been in years.

I am now forced to withdraw that statement. Because she WAS a “whore”. She worked in an unscrupulous line of work – even SHE had a big problem with – because it paid very well. So she was another kind of whore by profession after all.

It just occurred to me. Damn that’s hilarious.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

The difference I see between a gf and a whore is that once upon a time, that gf would turn into a wife, and at least you’d be getting some pussy that hasn’t been around the block, and odds were in your favor she wouldn’t cheat or divorce you. Women ruined that benefit of wifing them…now most of them run up the c~~~ count quite a bit before wanting to marry, and once married cheating and divorcing are no longer nearly as big a deal as they used to be…both are much more socially accepted. Basically all the pros of a wife no longer really exist.

With a prostitute, you know the price up front, you know exactly what services will be rendered, and if either of you are unhappy with the arrangement you can walk away with minimal loss as she won’t be able to divorce rape you like a wife.

Other things that used to be be an advantage to a wife vs prostitutes…as we all know…the prostitute leaves when you are done. Old school wives used to cook, clean, and respect men. Even if they nagged a little they ultimately weren’t nearly as c~~~ish as today’s young women. Modern women…they don’t cook, don’t clean, don’t respect men, and have no problem coming up with all kinds of false accusations to get men in legal trouble. Any nagging from a modern woman is too much because they generally don’t offer any kind of fringe benefit to equalize any amount of nagging. Kids are another huge issue. A benefit of a wife used to be to have kids, and families actually stuck together…but these days they know they can easily turn the legal system against you, take your kids, and make you have to pay for them. There is a good chance you’ll end up financially responsible for kids you will barely get to see, which is a pretty s~~~ty arrangement.

The pros and cons of a prostitute really hasn’t changed over time, but the pros of relationships with modern women have rapidly declined over the last 50 years while the cons has been growing exponentially.

If I was alive 100 years ago I’d rather have a wife than a prostitute, but with the way the women and the legal system are today I think things are leaning heavily towards the prostitute being superior.

[Total LeeParticipant 1573]

Stargazer wrote:

A whore with no customers is no more a whore than a chef with no diners is a chef. It requires the involvement of the customer to make them in practice what they are offering to be in profession.

Absolutely. A whore can’t sell to anyone who doesn’t want to buy.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Total Lee wrote:

A whore can’t sell to anyone who doesn’t want to buy.

Absolutely too. But if you open a hot dog stand and nobody buys any, you’ll still a hot dog vendor , and need a city license which says “hot dog vendor” on it.

If only every “whore” came with an identifier.

“I expect other tangible conditions and a price to paid in exchange for access to my vagina because I’m a prostitute and prefer to be treated as such.”.

THAT would be awesome!!!
A girlfriend/wife who actually admits the truth about what she is.

But how many whores would SAY that?

Instead, you get:

“I expect other tangible conditions and a price to paid in exchange for access to my vagina – or not. I’m trying to scam you into thinking I’m less horny than you, and I hope you take the bait. I also reserve the right to withhold sex from you after you buy me s~~~ and marry me too, while f~~~ing your best friend for free behind your back. Oh and by the way, I’m not a whore. It’s all about “love”.”.

That’s what the whore girlfriend / wife / fiancee is operating behind the mask.

Even in the film Pretty Woman, Julia Roberts starting crying when Richard Gere called her a “whore”. But that’s exactly what she was! A whore! Not even professional WHORES like to be called whores. Too f~~~ing bad. Be a whore. Just don’t pretend you’re not.

I get Doc’s point, and I know a guy who threw all kinds of stupid money at women who weren’t even f~~~ing him. Those are the guys who brainwashed her into thinking her vagina was so goddam valuable…. when she proved THE NIGHT BEFORE that it’s value-LESS — because she put out for free to someone ELSE.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Beer wrote:

The difference I see between a gf and a whore is that once upon a time, that gf would turn into a wife, and at least you’d be getting some pussy that hasn’t been around the block, and odds were in your favor she wouldn’t cheat or divorce you.

Yeah and that previously-understood REASONABLE exchange went on for a long time!

Her breeding abilities in exchange for a man’s labour.

Mentioned in detail here:
/marriage-is-fraud/

But that arrangement is now a FRAUDULENT contract, just as the modern whore misrepresents herself as a “wife”.

••••••

But even once upon a time….. was that exchange REASONABLE? Is your life’s labour really worth giving to a woman in exchange for her ability to punch out two kids — which enslave you for life – and aren’t even YOURS, especially today, but all three of them are now your responsibility and you will be even kicked out of your home so she can move her new “boyfriend” in?

F~~~ that. I know a good-for-nothing whore when I see one now.
From a mile away.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

If the kind of relationship you have is that you pay for her stuff and she has sex with you in return, then, yes, she’s a prostitute.

But the ideal relationship is that she has sex with you because she views you as the prize, and having sex with you is a benefit FOR HER.

Keymaster wrote:

Think about it. What does a whore actually DO?
A whore doesn’t actually PUT OUT and f~~~ openly and freely.

She withholds it —- >>>> until she gets something ELSE.
An unrelated price or condition of some kind.

That mindset puts women in a catch-22. If they wait for the guy to do something else first, that makes her a “whore.” If she doesn’t, that makes her a “slut.” How exactly can women win?

Keymaster wrote:

I was not used to a “date” starting out ……. with a bang.

The only time I’ve gotten laid in my life was when the date started out with a bang.

Of course, the circumstances surrounding that were so pants-on-head backwards, that I could hardly reproduce it, much less recommend it to other men.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Keymaster wrote:

But even once upon a time….. was that exchange REASONABLE? Is your life’s labour really worth giving to a woman in exchange for her ability to punch out two kids — which enslave you for life – and aren’t even YOURS, especially today.

I think it was reasonable before modern technology and us turning into a disposable society. She’d probably have popped out 4+ kids and being a house wife was actually work. Now that the average family size is much smaller, a lot of families just dump the kids off in daycare, and house work takes a fraction of the time to complete that it used to(and she’ll probably suck at, or refuse to do most of it anyway), hell no I don’t think its a good trade off.

Women today just want to sell themselves off at all time high prices while the risk involved with becoming involved with them is at an all time high, while their usefulness is at an all time low. Even if its debatable whether it was 50/50 then, or maybe 60/40 in favor of women…its 100/0 in favor of women now and it wasn’t always this bad or MGTOW would have spread like wild fire generations ago.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Rockmaninoff wrote:

But the ideal relationship is that she has sex with you because she views you as the prize, and having sex with you is a benefit FOR HER.

That takes time. Most women 13-21/23/25 think they are “THE S~~~” and behave accordingly. They have no problem living in that little world and stupidly assume it will be like that when she is 33/36/39 as well.

I was 31 when I started to notice and SUDDENLY had 2 back to back 19 year old “girlfriends” who actually conducted themselves as if “sex was a benefit for THEM”…. and it now became way less effort for me. But only because they saw me as higher (perceived) status.

The would not have dated me 12 years prior.

While not “whores” within the relationship, per se, as much as earlier girlfriends behaved like they were doing me a FAVOR……. they certainly “whored” out for other benefits. It was never about a “personal relationship”, yet I could have married both of them if wanted to, or if I proposed.

Rockmaninoff wrote:

That mindset puts women in a catch-22. If they wait for the guy to do something else first, that makes her a “whore.” If she doesn’t, that makes her a “slut.” How exactly can women win?

Funny, for a very long time, I never thought about it as a “competition” or a “war”…
Until I once hear Leykis say:

“It’s WAR. Women want as many of your resources without having to put out.
Men want sex for fewer resources.”

So….. how exactly can women win?

I don’t really give a s~~~.

All I care about is to make sure I – and other men – don’t lose.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Rockmaninoff wrote:

That mindset puts women in a catch-22. If they wait for the guy to do something else first, that makes her a “whore.” If she doesn’t, that makes her a “slut.” How exactly can women win?

I agree…but part of the problem is women have put themselves in this situation when they demand equality while wanting to retain the perks of being a woman. I don’t get any perks for being a man…how the f~~~ is it equality when they get perks and we don’t?

If they want to not be viewed as whores they need to stop demanding equality and step back into a more traditional female role where yes, they had some perks, but they also had expectations and responsibilities to go along with them.

If they want to not be viewed as sluts they need to stop demanding perks for having a vagina and actually embrace true equality. You can’t have some women who think giving a man sex is a valuable gift while other women are out f~~~ing every Chad that looks at them for free…all women need to recognize a vagina is no more valuable than a penis and the concept of “slut” won’t exist when sex is no longer linked to any sort of value other than mutual gratification.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Beer wrote:

Women today just want to sell themselves off at all time high prices while the risk involved with becoming involved with them is at an all time high, while their usefulness is at an all time low.

Amen brother.

Beer wrote:

Even if its debatable whether it was 50/50 then, or maybe 60/40 in favor of women…its 100/0 in favor of women now and it wasn’t always this bad or MGTOW would have spread like wild fire generations ago.

It was NEVER “worth it” for a man.

Men did it out off DUTY to their nation and families. For the greater good. Not because it was any benefit to him. Same reason men went off to war.

He receives no benefits from that arrangement. Never did.
Only the wife and children did.

When was the last time a wife took out a life-insurance policy to protect her husband? F~~~ing never that’s when. The benefits where not a man’s to receive. Only to PROVIDE out of automatic societal expectation and out of “duty”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

It was NEVER “worth it” for a man.

Men did it out off DUTY to their nation and families. For the greater good. Not because it was any benefit to him. Same reason men went off to war.

He receives no benefits from that arrangement. Never did.
Only the wife and children did.

I think this is a little exaggerated – it was still skewed towards women and children, but much more reciprocal. If you were a farmer before mechanization age – you couldn’t really run a farm by yourself without wife and kids helping out, and there were no nursing homes – if you became ill and weak – you’d have your wife and kids nurse you and take care of you

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Russky wrote:

I think this is a little exaggerated

I don’t. Because your wife will only “take care of you” long enough to make sure you can continue to take care of her….. and HER kids.

This is what they call “REAL, REAL LIFE” on how you can expect your “wife” to “take care of you”.

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That ^^ s~~~ actually sells more soup to women who think it’s hilarious and awesome.
Here’s a can of soup you f~~~ing asshole I call “husband”. Make it yourself.

Nice.

That’s how EVERYONE, Campbells Soup™, your wife, and general social attitudes think a husband should be treated.
NONE of them get to use the word “love” in a sentence again.

Ask every married man how good a job his wife did of “taking care of him”. He’ll tell you it was only long enough to make sure he could continue to take care of them.

When my older cousin with 11 children and grand children drops dead, the first words out of their mouth will be “what are WE gonna do now???”. Keep your eyes and ears open for that. Nobody gives a f~~~ about a man’s well being. Least of all, your wife.

Just ask Jonny Depp, Tiger Woods and Robbin Williams, Thomas Ball, and we could be here for a month listing them all …

If a bride ACTUALLY CARED about her man’s life, future, health and well being….
she wouldn’t marry him in the first place.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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