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In a lot of articles today we read about why men are going their own way, the author lets women know why men are checking out of marriage and fatherhood. Sometimes the articles wades through a long litany of legal, social, and anecdotal evidence about the injustices perpetrated upon men by women or the gynocentric legal system. Men that are going their own way, depending upon who you speak to, either want to see real change in the social dynamic of men and women or just don’t care either way.
If a man going his own way wants to see real social change, then I believe that he is holding himself and all that he has to offer as a hostage, albeit quietly, until the social and legal changes he requires takes place. Or perhaps he has taken refuge and saying “Let an entire generation of women go to sperm banks and raise kids on their own and they will see just what men are worth”. I hope this fits the particular mindset that I’m trying to explain. If not then I hope that I don’t offend. The real issue that I see with this, is that it will take decades for the dismantlement all of the legal and social infrastructure that supports our current national paradigm. During this time, most of us will probably agree that the rift between the sexes will widen even more. The social skill that is necessary to support long lasting relationships between the sexes will be lost, if not entirely then in at least the areas of our nations that have hosted an extreme view of social justice the favors women. Hell, we might even have to crack open the retirement homes and employ the elderly in a way that we used to for thousands of years. As elders and mentors in our community that offer wisdom based upon the success that they have demonstrated. Weird concept, right? Even with a support network teaching young people how to interact with one another, in all likelihood there will have to be a period of reconciliation. Entire generations of men will have been not just brought up to distrust women, but will have learned not to trust based upon direct experience. Entire generations of women have already been openly taught that men are evil, disposable, need to be feminized, and should readily offer up their time and money to worship at the alter of their uterus. In my opinion the strain is already starting to show with the frequent refrain that men need to “Man up”. To what they (women) never directly say, but I believe that they are using shaming tactics to goad men in to marriage and children since the lure of socially engineered, second class citizenship has lost its charm.
If a man genuinely doesn’t register more than two pico s~~~s on his Give A F~~~ Meter, then weather social or legal change takes place or not is of absolutely no consequence to him. “Have kids, don’t have kids, get married, don’t get married. Just don’t bother me with your bulls~~~. I’m busy.” With this particular mindset then social and legal change that enables healthy relationships is of no personal consequence. Also, the real damage done and that will continue to happen to other men is also of no consequence. Not that the refugee from matrimonial bliss wouldn’t be genuinely welcome here, but if he doesn’t see the light then, “Oh well”. This not to say that men that have this mindset are necessarily wrong in their viewpoint. Most of us came to MGTOW on our own bent and didn’t have anyone holding our hand or holding us down while shoving red pills down our throats. Everyone is free to be who they are and express themselves. I genuinely respect that.
I have also seen what is also a anarchist mindset of “Let the whole thing collapse under its own weight.”
I’m not sure where I’m going with this but I felt the need to put this down.
I’m also curious what implications there are from these different personal ideologies. As I said earlier, I believe that we are already starting the see the pressure but the light bulb hasn’t come on yet. Just snide, oblique attacks to our manhood.
By the way, isn’t “Manning Up” a gender specific behavior and virtue?
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With all respect, you may be happier at MRA with Elam, but his track record speaks for itself. Please be specific as to what you think should be done. Right now IMO MGTOW has more effective power than that of all the others combined. It’s a gorilla warfare nuke.
A buddy of mine’s dad has a scar on both sides of his arm from having a Japanese soldier run a sword through it when he tried to help the guy in front of him in the Bataan death march.
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Patton said, a good plan executed violently today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.”
I f~~~ing hate war, but to not learn from it is not an option.
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At soldier,
I have made many of the same observations as you describe. I don’t really see me holding myself as a hostage until I get the change I want, although I won’t argue with that analogy either. I see myself more as providing my refugee-self asylum from a system that would harm me if given the chance.On the premise that I am holding myself and my contributions to women hostage until I get the change I want: I’d say that the longer I hold on to this hostage, the more he is worth, and so the ransom goes progressively (and appropriately) higher. The longer I stay mgtow, the higher the assets pile up, and the greater the risk of re-engaging in the rigged marriage game. True, the rules might someday change when the riggers realize that there are no more players trusting enough to come and play. But at the moment, my value is increasing and the rules haven’t even started to change back toward fair odds. Even if they started to change back today, my value continues to rise. Could they change fast enough to ever catch up? I’m not holding my breath.
As an escapee from the plantation having now provided asylum for myself, I am happy to assist other escapees with the recipe for escape. But they still have to provide the ingredients. The ingredient in shortest supply is the willingness to see the game for what it is. Once they become willing to see, it’s not difficult to explain to them. It isn’t really hidden.
In short, I guess I’m not trying to save, change or redirect the system, I’m just trying to get out of the way, and to help a few of my brothers do the same.
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
Thanks for the responses guys.
I’m currently a Pscyh undergraduate student. I’m not depressed or sorry about my current situation. I sometimes worry that is the tone that is received from my writing. If it is then please let me know. That’s not the impression that I am trying to leave.
The social aspects of MGTOW are what fascinate me. The men that have responded in the blogs that I have read, seem to be intelligent and articulate. Just because I’m a psych student doesn’t mean that I have everything worked out.
BrainPilot. You used the word ‘asylum’ which I feel accurately expresses my current situation. I sometimes write to get feedback from others and in doing so, get the more astute perspective.
I also don’t see myself as a hostage and am not overly concerned that anything changes anytime soon. I’m not really the activist sort that’s interested in MRA.
I have found myself to be unwittingly to be part of a major social change in this country and find the sociological aspects of it to be of great interest.
"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.
Im with the ‘pilot’ on this one. I would add that even if we wanted to move for change in the system ….. there is nobody listening. Its like you saying to someone ‘ you need to change your wood beams for steel or this place will fall down’ ….. but they just keep on building with wood. You can shout as loud and as long as you want …. THEY WONT TRUST YOU …. EVER.
So you just stand and wait for the s~~~ to happen. Im sorry they are hurt or dead but ….. well ….. ya know ….. it kind of sucked ….. and Im sort of sorry …but.
As I think of it here a little more, it might be more accurate to make the analogy that women are holding the uterus hostage and have demanded a ransom so high that men are beginning to say, “keep it… I won’t pay”. To extend the analogy, the hostage is very ill and will soon be dead (and therefore worthless anyway).
It’s a tricky place for women because they have many needs, few or no other assets beyond this one hostage, and the value of the hostage drops with each passing year…
Somewhere around 35-40, the hostage becomes worthless.
With mgtow, kidnappers call to make ransom demand… and no one picks up. Ransom demands get left in voice mail that no one ever checks. kidnappers write articles: “where have all the good ransom payers gone?”.
Some women resort to selling vagina access as fast as they can, and can profit a little from that. But it’s nothing near the ransoms that the uterus used to get decades ago when men were still paying them.
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
it might be more accurate to make the analogy that women are holding the uterus hostage and have demanded a ransom so high that men are beginning to say, “keep it… I won’t pay”.
Interesting observation. Men for the most part want sex for its own sake. While not trying to sound egotistical, I can’t think of any of my partners that had anything to complain about in this area. Because women do get pleased in the bedroom, because not all men are selfish, then the idea that women don’t hold sex at least in some part in the same regard is confusing. (I think I’m explaining myself here) In line with what you are saying, then the use of the sex, that is attached to the hostage, as a weapon then both the value and the threat has lost all of its influence.
Thanks for the insight.
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