Hi there from Germany :)

[DaKayParticipant 68]

—— A RESURRECTED/ SAVED INTRO FOUND AMONG THE RECENT “LOST THREADS” ———

Hi everyone.

I am 30 YO guy from Germany and MGTOW since 2005

At first MGTOW was a subconscious thing for me, but allow me to tell you all from the start

I don’t look like a model but I am also not an ugly looking guy who has 0 chances with girls so during my teen and early adult years I had some relationships (just saying I didn’t come to MGTOW through TFL or something ), some relationships held for longer, some just a few weeks. And ALL of the girls cheated on me. Furthermore I could observe this behavior of the girls during the relationships of my friends. My latest relationship ended when I was 18 and after this one ended this was when my first doubts about relationships between men and women in modern society started to appear. I couldn’t explain it to myself, it just was a feeling like “something is definitely wrong here!”.

So I went on alone and stopped dating and trying to get a girl for me. There still were some rare situations where a girl took the initiative but when I recognized this I always automatically backed off. Over the years this behavior consolidated but I still wasn’t consciously aware off the reasons. My family always confronted me with “blabla don’t you want to get a GF, don’t you want to build a family” and this kind of stuff and every time this kind of topic came up I had the whole family against me. But I still didn’t change anything because I unconsciously knew I am doing the right thing, always argumenting with “but who in the world says it has to be this way??”. Never got a logical response, just stuff like “U want to die alone?” or “but that’s the goal in live, building up a family”. Furthermore I was seeing this at work (women were often treated better, I even was creating similar situations between me and the women at work to silently proof this for my own which strengthened my doubts). In addition to that I saw this constant lying in the mainstream-media and recognized that even if I wanted to find a girl it’s kinda impossible to find one that’s not completely brain-washed by all this crap on TV, Newspapers etc. and I had the feeling the media also plays a big role in the behavior of today’s women.

One more thing that strengthened my opinion immensely was that I got to know 4 men during the last few years who got totally ripped off during their divorce, still paying these women for years (by the way the women were the ones who came up with new men and ended the marriage in all 4 cases).

However, a few weeks ago I stumbled over a youtube video of sandman…sitting there, listening to him and thinking “OMG! So true! WTF, that’s exactly how it is and why I doubt all this relationship-stuff!”…and suddenly my unconscious doubts made sense. Now I have much more self-confidence about my lifestyle, thanks to the MGTOW movement. And now I am proud to be a part of this! Well, it’s not that I am completely avoiding or hating women but when it comes to getting into a relationship or even closer friendships I say “F*ck NO! Thanks! Leave me alone!” Well, that’s my story. And now I am here ;D

[DOOGLERParticipant 17]

Glad to hear, welcome

[RoyDalParticipant]

Welcome aboard! Hunting through the archives will turn up lots of videos, and articles both thought provoking and entertaining.

Edit: I was a Sandman fan too, not so much anymore. He fell out of favor when he made some comments about MGTOWs — remarks both derogatory and uncalled for, not to mention false. He has been trying to walk it back, since then. Like many bloggers, I can not agree with his every entry. He did get me revved up to explore the rest of the MGTOW universe, so I am grateful for that.

I just try to separate the wheat from the chaff. There’s no need to burn an entire field just because a few bundles of grain are spoiled.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Binary LogicParticipant 2351]

Hey DeKay,

I recently relocated to Germany myself, and I can tell you for sure the dating game seems alot more traditional here. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been approached by women here, only to find out they want a relationship of the “traditional” sense.

I can’t do it. Not knowing what I know now… But regardless, glad you made it here man. Welcome to the fold.

Funny, isn't it? How women thrive on a mans time, attention and resources, while simultaneously telling him he isn't enough...

[Binary LogicParticipant 2351]

Speaking of, where about in Germany are you? State-wise? Mind you this isn’t the place to put out personal info. But I’m thinking of linking up with a few like-minded fellas here.

Funny, isn't it? How women thrive on a mans time, attention and resources, while simultaneously telling him he isn't enough...

[DaKayParticipant 68]

At first a big thx to KeyMaster for bringing my Thread back without me even asking for it…you’re the man! 🙂

Binary Logic wrote:

Speaking of, where about in Germany are you? State-wise? Mind you this isn’t the place to put out personal info. But I’m thinking of linking up with a few like-minded fellas here.

Eastern Germany, Sachsen-Anhalt.

And because this thread is up again I can also add a little stuff that happened recently:

The company I am working at atm has to kick out some people because of low business because of this EU/Russia-Restrictions (thx to fckin USA and no, I am NOT offending you normal people living in the US, just your government). However, I was working here for more then 10 years and now I have to go and a girl who came here 2 years after me (working in the same department like me) can stay. The thing is she can stay because the men in this company are mostly damn manginas. This girl can’t do anything, she is damn slow with her work, writing on whatsapp all day instead off doing her damn work, she can`t speak proper english (and she is responsible for the UK marked, just saying) and she is dumb like hell, you have to explain everything 4-5 times until she gets it and even then she forgets all if she doesn’t do it regularly. Furthermore she is disposing most off her work to other people (damn manginas doing it without saying anything just because she looks good). And IF it happens that her mistakes or misbehavior comes out she plays the cry-baby an all men soften down and all cirtique suddenly has been forgotten. I could do tripple of her pensum but that damn girl can stay and I have to go…Great! F~~~ THAT! One reason more to go MGTOW!

 

[DaKayParticipant 68]

Thinking about making this thread a diary for my personal experiences…if you guys are fine with that 🙂

Another situation appeared recently: A good friend of mine had a relations~~~ for 3 years. The girl was always complaining how badly he treated her (well he was just always straight out and honest without all the blabla around it, he never hurted her physically nor did he expose her or treat her bad in front of others). I just know this because she often tried to talk to me about this when he wasn’t around. I always just said things  “At first, talk to him, not to me, thats a problem of you 2, second, if he is such a bad guy that you can not deal with it anymore just leave him”. She didn’t leave him but still always tried to start this conversation with me everytime a chance came up (well, now I know better, the “drama tanks” ;D ). Then (after another friend with whom she spoke about it told him) he started being nice to her, making compliments, changing his honesty with courtesy. Suddenly she ended the relationship a few weeks later. But now the “best” part: She suddenly started to spread rumours that he had hurt her physically during their relationship. Gladly we live in Germany so you are innocent until proven otherways (not the opposite way like it is in US for example) so this didn’t have too much impact on his life. But there still were a lot of white knights and orbiters who continued spreading this s~~~ without even knowing him personally. Furthermore she followed him around on concerts and events, knowing he hadn’t fully gotten over her yet, and in addition bringing all her white knights and orbitors with her trying to provoke situations where he gets angry and does something wrong just to start a fight with him (luckily he is a calm guy and not stupid, he understood what was happening and just left without any reaction on her).

This was like 2 months ago. 1 week ago he was on a festival where he met her again (but now he doesn’t give a f~~~ about her anymore). She was there with her “best friend” (kinda strange, during their relationship this guy never showed up and suddenly a “best friend” is popping out of nowhere). However, he told me she was supernice to him, tried to play the good friend and stuff. He did it right thing, he totally ignored her, not even talking a single word to her.

By the way when he told me about that I started to give him a little red pill knowledge…maybe he will also turn mgtow some day but I feel he is not ready for it yet so I’ll wait and not force it.

 

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