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Ned Trent 5 years, 2 months ago.
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Alright guys,
Now buckle up: Esther Vilar wasn’t the only one female author, who saw the whole feminism agenda with some sort of skepticism and that quite a bit further in the past (but not too far in the past). Now, before I want to give out a name, I would like to point out that again it’s another author from again the German speaking regions so at this point in time I shall take the liberty to translate just a very few passages from her excellent book she wrote quite a few years ago which in my point of view might well become our MTOW’s bible in the forseable future (simply because that book is just full of these perceptions so do check ’em out as follows —> samples translated):
“There are things which women can’t complain about enough. Amongst of which there’s the seemingly lacking attention of men towards women and the men’s powerful position as a whole. Whatever that is supposed to mean by “male power” is pretty much irrelevant here. But the very point is that it’s there to be fought against by women. There isn’t even supposed to be any nuances within such female inner thoughts accusations.
Whatever once has been programmed into their minds is surely here to stay at full scale. And who could possibly come along to argue with all that single sided (and better still) such obvious male power, whilst women tend to have a much more subtle but nonetheless very effective type of power. This also shows the very stubborn nature of female thinking in that very respect. Because would she ever dare to truly compare the two powers of both sexes the picture of the balance of the two surely had been quite a bit different. However this spiritual one sided female thinking pattern of the “either or” without any shades in between simply won’t allow any differentiation and/or comparison to happen.
So their thinking pattern becomes somewhat convenient because after all: Men work and reap their own rewards are in high positions and so forth therefore it must be a pure pleasure for them, not least because they are independent and dependance to men has got to be an unknown term to them perse. So this is what women believe but thus they are so utterly naive they wouldn’t even possibly be conscious about it. If ever a woman was gonna accompany a man to his working place for one full day, she would most probably have to revise her believes considerably whether she liked it or not. Her jealousy towards male power would in this case have a slight chance to be moderated in part which clearly would be necessary.
But the oh so selfless women are supposed to have got no power whatsoever, instead they are merely the victims of male power. So now they want all the power that exclusively men have as they put it continuously to this day. And this on the notion that always “the cherries in the neighbor’s garden are much juicier and much more delicious then their own ones”. The fact that already women indeed have quite a bit of their own power doesn’t even vaguely occur to them at all in that regard, just as if their own female power wasn’t interesting enough but rather dull by comparison merely based on the fact that it grows only on their own turf.
Always the other things that they can’t get (or can’t get too easily) make them all the more interesting to aspire to and to pursue in the female point of view surely and not the own stuff which is already there ready to grasp without the slightest effort, no..! But why is that so..? Well, we don’t know but one thing should be clear: Every human being which has power and aspires to it and backs it is certainly responsible for his or her own life. But as a victim of power of others you are never ever to be called a perpetrator. In that position of the victim you are never ever “endangered” to have to have the capability to make you own autonomous decisions. And there’s another aspect to it.
This very stance is also referred to as the so called “kid’s position” with the inherent wish for the perpetual paradise of former times. From the “kid’s position” of a women (or girl) it’s ever so easy to delegate every and any responsibility elsewhere and virtually no matter where to, be it men parents or society as a whole you name it but away from yourself. That obviously may relieve the own psyche but (in the long run) won’t gain you any ground or foundation. Because what you end up with is continuously seeking to maintain that “child position” forever and a day, since you become used to it and rely on it. This behavior is what psychologists call “projective defense” and “projective identity”. Women hardly ever (idiomatically speaking) “brush away the dust on their own porch” but always rather longing for the things that man have…
And women are hardly ever really committed to address their own “real” issues and why not..? Maybe because intuitively they know in their guts that they already have quite a bit of power and secretly don’t want to accept the very responsibility which comes along with their powers and will be put in front of them to face with full awareness, once they will have their own powers mirrored to them (ie. through the means of MGTOW).
And female power comes in various subtle shapes and sizes etc. etc. ie. “the power over life and death” as in bearing a child or not….”
And it goes on and on like that (but most notably again written by a woman!!!). I would clearly love and be ready to translate the whole book of her, as she no doubt seems to be not only a critically thinking “authoress” but maybe even a very rare NAWALT (just like Esther Vilar) who could end up making a significant fortune now with the rise of MCTOW on an international scale. So yeah, maybe I should very well try to get in touch with her (or her publisher) about translating the book for her and of course for us…
What d’you think, lads…?
PPS.: If any of you like to quote any key points of this first prototype like translation of mine (ie. on the “wall”) from the excerpt text of this book, please feel free to do so, but for the time being please don’t give out any name but “anonymous” (even if you happen to find out about her actual name by chance via your own research) because I would really like to take my chances of translating the book myself if I may … … cheers!
I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC
Very interesting read. Thanks for posting it.
Price is what you pay, value is what you get. -- Ben Graham
I don’t trust these female authors. Either AWALT or NAWALT. If the first is true, then the female author is proof of being an exception to the rule only, which would eliminate AWALT. If the second is true, then the author has no point in writing her book and having it believed.
I read about 70% of Esthars book and could not finish it due to the poor argumentation, large number of contradictions, and her underlying “sucking up” to men. I believe these female authors observe the experiences of men and apply them to a book, but instead use “female” logic to back it up. It is analogous to a woman learning what a man wants from a woman so she can bait him in and gets whats she wants. The author wanted a book deal in this case and she got it.
Also I believe these books are more oriented towards p~~~ing off and gaining the attention of other women rather than helping men. Women compete with eachother all the time to get men’s attention, not because of the man himself, but rather to underhand the other women. I believe these female authors do the same. If you ever look at the comment sections I can guarantee the abnormally large amount of female attention the author receives rather than from the men.
@Ned Trent: interesting that you posting this at the same time I posted about men working and societal value would occur within moments of each other. great post. a lot of truth in there. i’m not bothering to read any books about it since i have experienced all of this first hand. unfortunately, where we are now in society is that human biology and design has not evolved into anything useful and workable and that is where we ARE. i think the reason a lot men become mgtow is that they start to understand that and the red pill moment is when they truly feel in their hearts how true it is that everything is stacked against them. @john Doe makes some very good points as well. Since women’s primary functions are to give birth, raise children, and be inspirational to men the current way they are thinking is not going to work out which is why we are seeing everything collapse around us.
Ok, L U the ending of your post is a very fair point. Still I think aren’t we men by nature inclined to take risks..? I mean, as hardened as most of us are by now thanks to feminism and hypergamy, why on earth should we be even scared of the possible collapse, huh..? If it really happens, snow what… And / or if we are to even die out (demographic winter and all) again snow what… It now is our turn to lay back and leave responsibility to others than ourselves and just go with the flow this is also referred to as liberation …! So let’s take our rights for that or maybe even the right to a career free life for a change (without obligatory care), now how’s that…?
As for the other author that I put some translated paragraphs out: there is lots more like that in the book. I read the whole thing and I can clearly agree with 98% of it honestly. Currently though it is being sold for chump change within my country which is somewhat unfair and I just made my first attempt the other day to get in contact with her (no response from the publishers as of yet but I’ll keep at it…). And by the time I might have a chance to talk to her (maybe even face to face) from her reaction to my suggestion to translate the book for a much better success for her belated marketing it I will see and be able to judge on whether or not she might be genuine. Either way I regard it as a win win situation: either she isn’t genuine at all (as it were if she was not interested) as in “typical hypocritical female” or if she is interested as in “there you have it again –> females always after the cash…”
Oh by the way here is another very good key quote from her book as follows (translated again): “How shall men possibly ever be expected to accept female power, if women themselves are putting most of their efforts into denying it, let alone never even wanting to realize or accept it themselves…?”
And to this very day they are as reluctant as ever to answer even that very rather simple key question…
Free for more thoughts on that…
Bless
Ned T.
I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC
Good luck with your translation project. I hope it succeeds and I look forward to seeing it in print.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Ned Trent: hey man! would you stop calling L. U. please? thanks!
RE your comments: I am a futurist. I see the future as a battle for survival resources. When that happens, men will work together to create an infrastructure no matter what the obstacles. Women will wait for Facebook to reboot.
My personal opinion of the quote from the book that you posted at the end of the post is that YOU are the one not grasping the situation correctly at all.
Women spend most of the day high fiving each other about their female power. it is called vaginal power. power of the puss. Instinctively, they never let me know about this because it threatens their survival. it has many faces, and you fell for it bro. still a disguise though. its cool man. i did the same thing for 40 years. now i’m done and i can see through that s~~~. glad to see you here and have a nice day.
No no no “ListenUp!” Maybe that translation of mine of the last thing I posted was a bit misunderstood by you because I didn’t stipulate it clearly enough. Ok, so let me correct it or explain it further for you: “How shall men possibly ever be expected to accept female power, if women themselves (especially in public or better still in any public discussions!!!) are putting most of their efforts into denying to have it (their own female power), let alone never even wanting to (again mostly in public and or public discussions) realize or accept it themselves…?” This behavior in Germany is also referred to as the term “official female victim subscription” behind which they mostly hide ever so comfortably. Instead what they do is fighting to get more of the so called male power (as in money and influence high positions and all) exclusively for themselves, although simultaneously fighting against it (as in men shouldn’t have their own power) …
I hope you now get what the sentence actually meant to mean.
Anyway good night for now from the “old continent of Europe”
Respect
Ned T.
PPS.: Thanks Roydal
I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC
@All. Ned’s English is so good … and it’s often not a good thing. My German is a little too good too , and I speak with no accent. Totally undetectable. Because of this, when I am in Germany and I make the smallest error, I sound like an idiot and am terribly misunderstood. It’s difficult to try and explain to people what I MEANT to say find myself preferring to not speak at all.
Please Ned , don’t be discouraged if you think you’re not coming across. MGTOW is bigger in English speaking countries and many of us forget about others who are trying fit in, be understood, and may find it a challenge if they are from elsewhere. Above all things we’re here to help each other out. We only have good intentions. Only.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.John Doe’s description of Esther Vilars’ book is an interesting one. Personally I felt gutted after reading it. She does men NO favors in that book. It’s definitely NOT pro-male… and I would NOT recommended as excellent reading if you want something in the male best interest.
But that doesn’t mean it’s no good for you. Female behavior that left me with a question mark over my head for many years was finally answered. For the first time ever, Esther Vilar was the person who basicically said “women look at you like a useful tool and a wallet, and if you’re not useful to her you are useless. You will never mean more to her than that”.
Why did nobody ever tell me that before? Not my mother. Not my father. Not my best friends. Not a girlfriend. Why did nobody tell me that? Why did I have to read that from a woman in another country who I don’t even know? Why does female behavior point to this ALL THE F~~~ING TIME and nobody tells you?
I thank her for that. I thank her the way a child would be glad you told it there really is no Santa Claus. It’s disenchanting but the kid feels a little more like a grown up. I was something that I knew in my heart but didn’t really KNOW it. And now that she put it to me like that, I instantly got answers to so many questions and I was happy. Now I could be prepared and act accordingly and adjust my attitude. The world f~~~ing changed after that.
It’s not a book for men. It does men no favors. It’a BAD book for men. But it’s f~~~ing excellent, and I would press it into the palms of any man, look him in the eyes and say: “Ever wonder what you are in the eyes of the world? Read this s~~~ now. Right now.”
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Cheers Keymaster,
Well no, don’t you worry I’m not discouraged really I was merely a bit challenged by “ListenUp!” but that’s alright. If anyone can discourage me it would be a stunning looking NAWALT for that matter (but even then only if I allow her to otherwise I would regard her just like another challenge in a way I do like challenges from time to time, he he). But anyroad I still maintain that the book I’m talking about may probably be for you (Keymaster) as well as for any other of us MGTOWs even more interesting to read than Esther Vilar’s (even though I don’t know it page by page but I have heard of it) because the other book is a bit more modern (“only” about less than 20 years old). So Keymaster you can actually speak and understand German how come..? Did you live there…? Never mind, but if that was so theoretically I could even send you a German copy of it… … and even other interesting researches I found on the net (as links).
Either way thanks for your compliments on my English but what do you mean by that this is often not a good thing??? (I used to live abroad in the UK for a few years & that’s mainly why apart from having learned it at school for 9 years) even though I heard that a few times before whenever I happen to bump into English native speakers, so never mind…
Bless you all wherever you are
Ned T.
I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC
I was raised German until Kindergarten. (Erste Sprache). My first English was when I was 5 and I learned “the lords prayer”. But my mothers side of the family lives there. Visited them often but also went to Deutsche Schule every weekend until I was 11. I heard alot of German going up and they are still amazed how authentic I sound. The biggest gap without a visit was 14 years. When I went back, after a week, I was thinking in German again with the verbs at the end of the sentence and everything. I don’t even know how that’s possible. But what we learn before 5 , we learn for life.
My brother is 18 months younger to the day. Exactly the same exposure but 18 months less of it.
His German sucks.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Wow biig respekt dude,
With me by now it’s like: I can switch my thinking as well as my speaking between the two languages whenever I choose to do so, “ick koennte also jenauso jut mit Berliner Schnaueze weiterquasseln, weeste..?” But let’s cut it right there, whenever I speak English people tend to tell me that I sound very UK like with only a very very subtle German accent if that, sooo….
Anyway since I can’t send you any messages directly I might send you this one little excerpt piece of Ingo Appelt from his comedy Show “Men have to be beaten up” talking about sex and through the back door basically attacking women with his black humor now check this out (in case you didn’t know it yet; the whole show program btw premiered as early as in 2008 on RTL): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_GAvBdlqgs
Now have fun (getting off sex entirely for good that’s a promise!!!)
Ned T.
I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC
Anonymous0Moin Moin Keymaster,
…when I am in Germany and I make the smallest error, I sound like an idiot and am terribly misunderstood. It’s difficult to try and explain to people what I MEANT to say find myself preferring to not speak at all…
The same here, vice versa. When I try to write here in english but with my german brain it always seems that soemthing left on the road and I feel that I cannot transfer the message in the way I want to. Sometimes I am writing down some good advices I got here and on other MGTOW Websites in german but when I am reading this it sounds strange and the worst of all I cannot show this to some german guy or arguing with the same words I choose for the translation. E.g. I translated the The Catalogue of Anti-Male Shaming Tactics /shaming-tactics/
in german, first it sounds totally daft. And of course I revised it, I am not satisfied with the work, because I know the meaning in english but it will not really come together in my german translation .@Ned Trent
..mich würde der Name Autorin oder der Buchtitel schon interessieren…vielleicht ein kleiner Hinweis…hehe. Ich wüsste auch noch die ein oder andere Autorin.CHEERS!!!
@ all: By the way, I am currently reading Esther Vilar’s book. I have to say it is written in a very inspiring way and yet I think (as far as I can tell so far) the other book might still be a bit better than hers (in part maybe also, because it’s actually not as old but a tad more modern). Anyway by the time I might indeed get the job to translate it for the author or maybe even if I definitely wouldn’t get that chance (because the publisher is mostly run by you guessed it females) I shall still share it with all of you in one way or another eventually and that is a promise. Only for the time being I would like to grab that chance for myself since I had the initial idea to do it and also, because I certainly could do well with some kind of financial infusion in this tricky day and age and just who wants to blame me for that…?
Respect
Ned T.
I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC
Hello there everyone!
I thought I might just give you a little update about my translation project of this other book that I mentioned in this very thread of mine. In a nutshell: on the one hand it’s going quite well despite the fact that I didn’t get actual green light from the publisher side of it as of yet, but so far I have managed to translate about 10% of the book. And I simply thought to myself: “Better be prepared as in having already started with the translation by the time I may get the “green light” from either the publisher or the author herself, so it wouldn’t take that long anymore to really finish it off from that point forward…”
Anyway, admittedly up to now I did have a really hard time in tracking down the author via the net and my enquiries at the publishers have this far widely been ignored (presumably because there they are too busy with other things). But I shall stay at it and even if I might get a “red light” for the translation of it, I shall still continue working on it on and off, because I maintain that it clearly can be regarded it as another vital additional contribution if not maybe even another backbone to our ideology. So eventually I shall either in the case of a “red light” still translate the full book and/or at least send it over as the German original e-book to you Keymaster, so you can take your picks about it…
To give you guys another little insight about all the subjects that this author deals with in depth in her book, for the time being I shall give you the table of content in the way I have translated it to, so here it is:
I Introduction
II The overburdened man
1.) It’s not all the men’s fault
2.) The illusions of demanding women
3.) The solitude of men
4.) The loss of a male space in modern times
5.) The man and his deteriorating strength and potential
6.) The devaluation and gradual disposal of the man
7.) The sexual harrasment of a man by a woman
8.) The female denial to empathize with men
9.) No space for any man or how to achieve female delusional omnipotence and pseudo autonomy
10.) The en-maled woman
11.) Gender convergence or gender diffusion?
12.) About the end of eroticismIII The boundless woman
1.) The concealed power of a woman
2.) Female rivalry: a minefield of deceptive aggression
3.) Hostility amongst women: zero tolerance towards differences
4.) Modern feminist female myths: a treasure trove of hidden hostility amongst women
5.) The female will
6.) The mother daughter relation: the foundation of feminity
7.) Envy and jealousy a female trait..?
8.) Modern mothers: be they fullblooded mothers, part time mothers or alleged cruel mothers
9.) The man as in the aggressive gender..?
10.) Female infringements
11.) Female sadismIV Possible attempts for solutions of gender problems
1.) Man and woman, the big differences
2.) Female and male principles
3.) The dormant self confidence of a woman
4.) Tearing down taboos and gender related prejudices
5.) Love as a missunderstood definition
6.) The respect for a man by a woman as a precondition for culture
7.) Men and women as preservers of culture..?Up until now I have nearly finished the whole introduction part of the book.
Well, so far so good…
Best
Ned T.
I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC
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