Herbivore men in the west

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

So, we’ve all heard about herbiore men, and I was wondering how long until we have a full blown phenomenon like that in the west? I mean 70% of men not even dating, or doing anything with women?

Also wondering about Japanese policy on marriage. They offer incentives to get married and have children, like tax breaks, free college, ect. But how long until they straight up force men to marry? Do you think anything like that will happen in the west? Also, was wondering they wouldn’t FORCE men to marry, but rather keep on with the welfare state that we have where we effectively pay for all these women through taxes, but we’re not actually married. I think something like that is more likely. If that’s the case, I’ll go full monk mode, quit my good paying job and pay minimal taxes. That or I’ll go over seas to another country to avoid all this bulls~~~.

I think Japan is like a glimpse into the future, it’s a few decades ahead of us so far as social problems go, so we should have ample warning because s~~~ will go down there before it goes down here,

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I’m pretty sure that MGTOW is a full blown phenomenon in the West for those that pay attention to that kind of thing. It’s not 70% of men but it is enough that the powers that be are very aware that something is happening and men in their prime earning years are going somewhere and it ain’t back to the plantation.

This graph shows the drop off in percent of men working after the third wave of feminism.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[BlacqueJacqueShellacqueParticipant 6890]

Dear Silverstone II, I too am watching the Japanese herbivore movement. I am also very interested in their robotics industry and AI. Let’s see what this highly technological society brings to the rest of the planet. Thanks for your post. Peace.

[BlacqueJacqueShellacqueParticipant 6890]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

men in their prime earning years are going somewhere and it ain’t back to the plantation.

Awesome. Peace.

[J.D SilvernailParticipant 383]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

I’m pretty sure that MGTOW is a full blown phenomenon in the West for those that pay attention to that kind of thing. It’s not 70% of men but it is enough that the powers that be are very aware that something is happening and men in their prime earning years are going somewhere and it ain’t back to the plantation.

This graph shows the drop off in percent of men working after the third wave of feminism.

That’s because now the women are the managers and they like to discriminate against men by leaving them unemployed and penniless.

I'm married to the game,but she broke her vows.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

men in their prime earning years are going somewhere and it ain’t back to the plantation.

But then who is going to pay for all this wonderful socialism?

J.D Silvernail wrote:

That’s because now the women are the managers and they like to discriminate against men by leaving them unemployed and penniless.

Unfortunately, managers don’t actually produce the goods and services upon which civilization depends. They merely manage them. Whatever will they do when there’s nothing being produced to manage? Starve, of course.

But that’s not our problem.

[AttonParticipant]

Also, was wondering they wouldn’t FORCE men to marry, but rather keep on with the welfare state that we have where we effectively pay for all these women through taxes, but we’re not actually married.

If the majority of men became herbivorous, the door might open for policy reform. That could mean a shrink in the welfare state or even it’s abolition. Men pay the vast majority of the tax in the united states and most of the first world. So I think it would be fair to say he who pays the piper calls the tune.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Dunn GoofdParticipant 119]

I do think men experience a slight pleasure in seeing women not being able to find a man.

I agree 100%, I personally enjoy them getting close to the wall and struggling to find a man, slowly losing their market value and there is nothing they can do about it but they are still trying to act all smug and self confident. I have one of them in my social group. A sight to see pals, a sight to see…

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I’ve said this before but I believe it bears repeating. I do not believe that the Japanese herbivore men movement and MGTOW are branches of the same tree.

While the outcome may be similar… men dropping out of marriage and family and pursuing their own interests… I believe the motivator in Japan is a combination of a generation of economic stagnation coupled with the feminizing effects of the Japanese reliance on soy.

MGTOW, on the other hand, has a lot more to do with burgeoning awareness of female nature and a conscious rejection of societal expectations of male utility and disposability.

We are rejecting marriage, the family and traditional institutions and going our own way because we’ve come to realize that the game is rigged against us and the more we produce, the more we are used, abused and discarded. They, on the other hand, simply see no point in working hard to gain success to find a mate and build a family because previous generations used up everything and there’s no point in trying to improve one’s situation.

Put simply, the soushokukei movement is passive. They’ve just sat down and given up whereas MGTOW is an active rejection of the old and re-alignment to a new male identity.

As for the soy feminization thing… if you don’t believe me then go spend a week in Shibuya and then tell me that their young men aren’t “prettier” than our women.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

It’s hard not to be prettier than our entitled, used up, perma-scowling Ameriskank balloon ass’s with personalities to match.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Ripe for global revolution.

[Wolf redpillmanSpectator 1658]

doc fenderson what does being good looking have to do with feminizATIOn? so only women can be pretty?? wtf???? most women use make up to look pretty so i dont get your point you trying to said men that are good lookign are feminine???? wtf that sound like envy there my friend

[Wolf redpillmanSpectator 1658]

here that proof pure make up hahahaha http://www.xyonline.net/content/porn-not-real-and-here’s-proof

[narwhalParticipant]

I agree with Doc that herbivores and MGTOW are not the same thing. I also don’t think the decline of men in the workforce is proof of the rise of MGTOW. I’m sure quite a few of those men have given up on marriage/women, but giving up on working can be a completely separate thing.

For one thing, I think the stats are cooked a bit. The unemployment rate is a much more popular stat, so politicians would happily decrease the participation rate if it means in decrease in unemployment.

If I were to guess why the unemployment rate has gone down, I’d say it’s due to increase in welfare, immigration, incarceration…and financial obligation to baby mamas. But would these men go back to the plantation if they could? Probably.

And what will politicians do about it? They’ll grandstand, address symptoms, blame the white male. I don’t think there will be a bachelor tax as that’s too direct. It’s much better looking to raise taxes, and then provide tax credits to all but bachelor’s.

Ok. Then do it.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Dunn Goofd wrote:

I agree 100%, I personally enjoy them getting close to the wall and struggling to find a man, slowly losing their market value and there is nothing they can do about it but they are still trying to act all smug and self confident. I have one of them in my social group. A sight to see pals, a sight to see…

Yea…it is quite hilarious. Good looking 30ish year old women who have recently come to realize the reality of the wall trying desperately to find a husband are the best. You know they’ve gotten way more than their fair share of male attention in the last 10-15 year while in their peaks, and during that time wanted to ride the carousel and couldn’t be bothered to settle down with one good guy.

Why would I not take pleasure in these women who have gone through life thinking they are too good for 99% of the guys out there suddenly realizing they are no longer the “prize” they once perceived themselves to be? They realize their only options are to continue to just get pumped and dumped by Chads, or marry a walking wallet they have no attraction to just to pop out a couple kids and divorce just so they can have babies and be financially taken care of. Either way…their princess story doesn’t have the happily ever after they imagined it would.

I see this s~~~ constantly as well. If you are 30ish with a good job you, I mean your resources, become a single mom magnet. Even the childless ones become comical. I have one female friend who’s a bit older than me, kind of like a motherly figure I’ll hang out with on occasion just because she’s fun to shoot the s~~~ with, and she’s been trying for a year now to set me up with a 34 year old post wall friend of hers. Its hilarious how it works. The girl will literally f~~~ anything that shows even the slightest interest in her and is in absolute desperation mode to get married and have babies, and in between all her recent 1-2 months “relationships”(guys pumping and dumping an easy target) our mutual friend makes sure to always let me know what a nice girl she is and how shes back on the market lol.

Its just laughable what women have turned into…and they can’t figure out why men aren’t stepping up to marry them. Apparently 10-15 years of acting like a slut while lugging around 10 ton worth of baggage doesn’t make them not wifey material in their eyes.

Silverstone the Second wrote:

Also, was wondering they wouldn’t FORCE men to marry, but rather keep on with the welfare state that we have where we effectively pay for all these women through taxes, but we’re not actually married. I think something like that is more likely. If that’s the case, I’ll go full monk mode, quit my good paying job and pay minimal taxes.

This is what I see coming…expansion of the welfare state. I’m in the same boat as you as far as future planning. I’m not putting in a lot of hours at a high paying job just to support a welfare state an essentially become baby daddy to kids that aren’t mine through taxation. I’ll just live a minimalist lifestyle and when the time is right pull the plug on work and spend most of my time abroad where I can live for a fraction of the cost.

If things get worse I have an exit strategy, and if things get better I’ll have lots of money saved up to enjoy life here…either way its a good outcome for me!

[BeerParticipant 11832]

narwhal wrote:

If I were to guess why the unemployment rate has gone down, I’d say it’s due to increase in welfare, immigration, incarceration…and financial obligation to baby mamas. But would these men go back to the plantation if they could? Probably.

I agree there are probably other factors going on here as well…also possible just a s~~~ty job market in general or more people working under the table to avoid taxation(both employee and employer side) while remaining eligible for handout programs, like free medicaid because they have no income as far as the government is concerned.

I think Docs conclusion might be correct if 20-30 years down the road from now male labor force participation is way down but the number of never married childless 40-50 year old men who voluntarily retired super early is at all time highs…but I don’t think this is the case right now.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Wolf redpillman wrote:

what does being good looking have to do with feminizATIOn?

“Prettier” can mean a lot of things. I admit that was kind of a throw-away line and I could have been a lot more specific.

Typical young men in the more trendy parts of Tokyo are, in my opinion, feminized to the point where they look and act far more like women than Western women, who I would consider somewhat masculinized, do. By this I mean they wear their hair long, use lots of “product” and dress in a very feminine, fashion-forward manner.

They also behave in a manner I would consider feminine, being more “touchy-feely” than typical men, preening a lot more and even going to the bathroom in pairs.

If you know about the “mouse utopia” experiments, young Japanese men are truly the “beautiful ones”, cut off from true social interaction and relegated to narcissistic self-indulgence.

Do a google search For “Tokyo herbivore men” and see for yourself. They’re not necessarily good looking, but they sure are “pretty”.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Wolf redpillman wrote:

here that proof pure make up hahahaha

The article you linked is worthy of its own thread but I’ll just say here that any man who has spent a whole night with a woman even once knows the truth about how women falsify their appearance, not to mention their interest in men and male things and probably sex and everything else they do. That’s no surprise.

But the article focused on how porn specifically produces impossible expectations in MEN… boiled down to a single sentence, that article may as well have said “Hey guys, give us girls a break… we may dress up and act like a porn star, but don’t expect us to actually pretend to enjoy getting f~~~ed like one.” with the not-so-subtle subtext of “They’re just faking it for a payday and so are we, just not as well.”

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Beer wrote:

This is what I see coming…expansion of the welfare state.

But how are they going to pay for it? The U.S. is already pushing $20,000,000,000,000 in debt. Where is the money going to come from? More importantly, where is the food and fuel and whatnot that that money hopes to buy going to come from? I don’t see a lot of “strong independent women” out there plowing fields or drilling oil.

I see a massive expansion of hunger.

But that’s not my problem.

Stargazer wrote:

Typical young men in the more trendy parts of Tokyo are, in my opinion, feminized

Yeah, but that’s just Tokyo being Tokyo. You can’t use it as a yardstick for the rest of Japan any more than you can use a San Francisco gay pride parade to represent the United States.

By the definition of the words, Japanese herbivores are definitely Men Going Their Own Way. Because they are men who are not going the traditional Japanese wife supplicating salaryman until you work yourself to death way. They are not marrying. They are not cohabiting. They are not procreating. That makes them MGTOW in my book. They might not look like western MGTOW, but would you expect a Honda civic to look like a Ford F150? For all that they don’t look the same or do the same, they’re both vehicles.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

sidecar wrote:

But how are they going to pay for it?

Debt…until the system collapses. You thought they’d actually pay for it?

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