Help with White Knight Syndrome for future dating

[GunslingerParticipant 242]

Hey Brochachos!

So I’m what you would call a white knight but I guess not a full mangina, didn’t know I was until this site. I’m glad I see it now, because I have an opportunity to transition out of it. Even though I’m still married, I’m basically just waiting it out for reasons I have posted in other forums until we fully separate, basically two dogs that I get to watch while she goes on a business trip for a month. What I would like to see is some tips on how to not fall into that trap when I start to transition back into the dating world. I’d like to be able to date around for once in my life and not fall for every girl and want to save them all, from w/e BS excuse they give as to why they need saving.

So for example I plan on watching Rocky 1-4, eating a rare steak, while sitting in my boxers to  start with. I know Rocky will eventually seep into my blood stream and help me transition back into a real man.

But in all seriousness, is there things I can do to try and retrain my brain into not being so nice and caring. I’ve been like this my whole life, always putting women before myself, so it may take a full on Clockwork Orange type thing, where I need to be deprogrammed.

Any ideas will be appreciated!

[Binary LogicParticipant 2351]

Thing of  it is. There is no sure-fire method I know of that will help you transition out of it. There is no magic pill or potion. There is however, an situation induced epiphany.

You have to first see things the way that they are. No one can force you acknowledge it, there has to be something deeply ingrained in you that says the accepted social norm is not so normal. From there, you educate yourself, either through resources found here, or keeping an open keen eye in the real world, watch for situations to play out, and imagine how it could of went differently, or what you would have done. It almost takes a strategist point of view. It also helps if you are a critical thinker or quasi-extrovert from the start, as the endless puzzle is somewhat fascinating. But truth be told, it doesn’t take a scientist to figure out what is going on in the world.

Try taking a look at some of KeyMaster, Tower, RoyDal, ILiveAgain and the other more experienced guys thoughts (you can almost tell who they are buy looking at their Topic/Reply count).. man, spend a few moments glancing, and pondering over these guys thoughts, and it immediately becomes apparent that they’ve been at this for awhile. So much so that it is wholly a part of there character. They have a plethora, vast wealth of knowledge that could save you from a bunch of potential doom and gloom.

Wish I had a better answer, but that’s what I’ve got at the moment.  Observe, Listen, calculate and execute.

With the Help of MGTOW…

Funny, isn't it? How women thrive on a mans time, attention and resources, while simultaneously telling him he isn't enough...

[GunslingerParticipant 242]

Oh yea, that’s what I have been trying to do, I love to learn knew things, and will treat this as maybe the most important lesson I may learn in life. It’s actually been fun to try it out on the wife. She asked me last night to move the couch so she could grab her phone that had fallen underneath it. I was like “Your going to have to figure out how to do that on your own soon, I suggest those easy mover pads for the corners of the couch” I saw the steam roll out of her ears. She says “Aren’t you going to be a man and move this” so I said “nope just the other day you didn’t need a man to take up for you because you can take care of yourself, just like I believe you can take care of moving this couch yourself”

Just a small win but still it was a great feeling, not that I haven’t stood up to her in the past, but just ignoring her request was awesome!

But thanks for the input though, I know being around everyone here for enough time, I’ll get that addiction out of the bloodstream.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Now keep with me on this and don’t go all gay on me ok 😃

Next time you go on a date … with a female …. pretend it’s a guy.

View everything she says and does as if it were a dude.

Would you pay for his meal? Drinks? Would you let him ask what you do, how much you earn?

Also ask her/him questions you would ask a guy.

Then and only then will you see them for what they are.

Or go full blown and ask what they can bring to the relations~~~.

When you date a wild tiger … find out how many other dates it has eaten …. and when.

Find out if it every tricked a victim by pretending to be a kitten.

Then finally …. if your gonna f~~~ a tiger …. don’t tell it where you live …. coz when it’s hungry …. it’s gonna come knocking.

😆

[GunslingerParticipant 242]

Iliveagain…I dig this approach a lot. Even if it is a little gay sounding, it still makes sense. I can’t wait to see the look on her/his eyes when I don’t pick up a tab. They expect that s~~~, especially when you are first dating. However, I was tricked by this as well with the current wife. She paid for most of our first dates…she was working a nice job while in college, as to where I barely had time to work part time.

ILiveAgain wrote:

Then finally …. if your gonna f~~~ a tiger …. don’t tell it where you live …. coz when it’s hungry …. it’s gonna come knocking.

HAHAHAHA…So close to spitting my coffee on my computer at work!

[Anonymous 2]

I have found it to be very usefull to be as upfront as possible. I am seeing multiple women. I’m having sex with multiple women. I no longer view monogamy as something I would strive for without a good reason. I’m 33 and there’s a whole new generation of women starting their c~~~ carroussel career. Women all to eager to accept that status quo to have sex with an experienced man. I like my meat tender (18-25), I don’t fish (make efforts) beyond the Wall. I’ll sample their daughters thank you very much. Should one stick around long enough to start catering to actual desires I’m all ears what she has to bring to the table. Untill that day…

I am seeing multiple women. The world is my oyster and I’m not settling for old clams.

[GunslingerParticipant 242]

Oh I never plan on ever marrying again, biggest mistake ever. Funny thing is she was the one nagging for over a year about it in the first place. Classic flip flop a few years later and I quote from her “Marriage is just something that enslaves both man and woman” I said, “More like enslaving the man, women get to still do w/e the hell they want and get away with it” She didn’t like that too much. She’s flip flopped on s~~~ so much the last year that I can’t keep up with what she even wants out of life now.

I get what your saying though, and that’s basically my goal now for the rest of my life. Unless somehow I do find that Unicorn, and like you said it better be a damn good reason as to be monogamous.  But even as I typed that it made me feel sick to my stomach even thinking there’s any women left out there that is worth being monogamous with.

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

If you want to get rid of white knight syndrome, don’t worry about getting laid.

Don’t chase, and who cares what she thinks.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

That’s actually a symptom of high testosterone. Men with high testosterone tend to be more protective and wanting to take care of women more.

[GunslingerParticipant 242]

Hey a positive out if it…I’ll take it! Sounds a little suspicious though, does that mean my testosterone levels would go down as I stop giving two s~~~s anymore?

 

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Gunslinger wrote:

Help with White Knight Syndrome for future dating

Easy enough. Don’t date.

This is not the same thing as not doing things with women, including sex. You can still do that, and in fact you’ll probably do it more. Just refuse to date.

Dating is nothing but a ritual on the progression from happy bachelorhood to married enslavement and beyond. You don’t want to go there, so don’t do any of the rituals on that path. Again: don’t date.

Let’s look at the classic dating example of “dinner and a movie”. If you want to go eat at a particular restaurant, do so. If some woman wants to eat at the same restaurant at your table, that’s fine. She’s more than welcome to. You each order what you want to eat and you each pay for what you eat. Because it’s not a date. It’s just two people enjoying a restaurant together. If you want to go see a movie, go see it. If some woman wants to go see the same movie with you, that’s fine too. She’s more than welcome to. You each pay for your own tickets and your own popcorn. Because it’s not a date. It’s just two people enjoying the same movie.

What you don’t do is eat some food you don’t want at some restaurant you don’t like or see some movie you could care less about. And you especially don’t pay for her meal, her ticket, or her popcorn. That would be a date, and you are not dating.

If the woman becomes upset because you are not buying her food or entertainment it’s probably because she mistakenly believes you are on a date. Explain the situation to her. Inform her that this is not a date, but rather two independent people enjoying their common interests together. If she is reasonable she will understand and appreciate the situation, and you are free to continue doing various activities with her. If she is unreasonable and gets more upset, most likely because she was only interested in a free meal and a free movie, you are better off without her. Wish her well and send her on her way and move on to the next one.

One of the most important things you can say to a woman is: “This is not a date.”

[GunslingerParticipant 242]

Thanks for the tip sidecar. I think after everything is said and done with the current situation,  I’ll never want to “date” in the traditional sense again.

I do want to thank everyone for the advice,  it really does mean a lot. It’s going to be weird being single again but after reading the many threads on this site, I’m starting to welcome it with arms wide open.

[GunslingerParticipant 242]

Counting down the days guys, she leaves on Tuesday for a work trip to Spain for a month. I will basically be bacheloring it up, and I can’t wait. Rocky 1-4, then maybe a die hard marathon. I wish I had a good site I could find some Clint Eastwood and John Wayne movies, any suggestions?

 

[GunslingerParticipant 242]

One other question, do you think this White Knight or being a Mangina possibly stems from a mans upbringing? I ask because I grew up being taught by my Mom (who I love, and has always had my back) to always treat a woman with respect, don’t treat her like a door step etc. Which is true, you shouldn’t treat people horribly, but when I fall into the trap of always being there for a g/f or now wife, doing everything to make them happy, I get crapped on in the end, and get the old “your just not my type any longer”. She never wanted me to be like my dad, which for the most part I never want to be like him because he is a lazy 55 year old that doesn’t want to work again, although of course I love him, he is my dad. But I also look back on how mom treated him when I was younger and I feel like she brought it on her self, with the constant nagging and belittling of him. Now he just doesn’t give a f~~~ about anything and just worries about whether his favorite shows are on and if he has enough whiskey to get him through the day.

So before I got with my now wife, I had like a 6 month stint of not caring about any girls opinion or how they viewed me. I had a 4 some with another couple, and then this chick that I met one night(no crossing of swords, just swapping and he was a best friend of many years). Slept with two girls in one night, as well as many Bj’s from multiple chicks, and a few FWB’s. I was having a blast and then the wife came along and I thought  she was the end all be all, and snapped me out of my mode of not caring, and back to the white knight that I was brought up to be. Look where it got me, back to square one.

So is this something anyone else has ever thought about? And if it’s discussed in another forum on here, just let me know and I’ll go read up on it, no sense in repeating things that are elsewhere. Just so much info on this site, that I get sidetracked as I’m looking for something else. Thanks for any replies on this.

[Anonymous 2]

I’ve been brought up to show a woman respect, but that doesn’t mean I will take s~~~ from them. My own parents disapproved of a particular GF I had and boy were they right. Dodged a bullet with that one. I tried to “save her” as a proper White Knight, but learned my lesson the hard way.

There is nothing wrong with having multiple sex partners as long as you are honest about it yourself. The way I see it, you shouldn’t completely give zero f~~~s but care a whole lot less initially. The pitfall is falling in love. But do that often enough, get hurt often enough, or see examples enough… you get my point. And don’t ever mess with girls that are diagnosed with anything mental, just stay the hell away from any non-neurotypical specimen.

STAY THE F~~~ CLEAR OF THOSE. I AM F~~~ING WARNING YOU.

Neurotypical women are surprisingly comfortable with you having multiple sex partners if you treat them with respect, as long as you don’t mix it up with an LTR go have fun. What you don’t need is a jealous bitch following you around, stay officially single, do not co-habitate, do not sire children. That’s a relatively safe way to allow irresponsible and / or promiscuous women in your life without f~~~ing up your own sovereignity.

 

[GunslingerParticipant 242]

See I believe that may be where I got confused somewhere a long the way. I confused respect with becoming a door matt after a certain point. I was like that with a previous long term relationship and the same thing happened, as to what is happening now.

Oh LTR is off the table for the foreseeable future. I’ll probably take a good long break, before even thinking about wanting anything from a woman, unless the pussy just drops in my lap.

Anonymous wrote:

What you don’t need is a jealous bitch following you around, stay officially single, do not co-habitate, do not sire children. That’s a relatively safe way to allow irresponsible and / or promiscuous women in your life without f~~~ing up your own sovereignity.

100% couldn’t agree with you more. Only thing I will always wish for is a son. My family is basically counting on me to carry on the bloodline, my cousin had a son and the bitch changed the last name to her’s and not his. Technically he would carry it on, but still the name matters. The rest are all girls, but I was the one to change all that, oh well. I’d rather have peace of mind than risk another soul-sucker, taking me to the cleaners when she decides she “just isn’t in love with me anymore”

[Anonymous 2]

So your family basicly raised your cousin to be a huge mangina that renamed his legacy by putting her stamp on it and you feel responsible somehow?

Oh boy. There is a reason I don’t do Christmas dinner with family anymore. I would scold the s~~~ out of them if they brought it up, while maintaining constant eye contact with my cousins wife. You do not need to tolerate this bulls~~~ mate. Not even from next of kin.

To me the name no longer matters. 10% of children in the Netherlands do not have the father they think they have. I will settle for bastard children and deem the risk of extremely selective unprotected sex opposed to Dutch law to be an acceptable risk to get my genes out there. There’s no need to mix love and legacy either, that’s the biggest misconception of them all. We can’t help to whom we feel emotionally attracted. We can be more deliberate (or plain f~~~ing manipulative) when it comes to our legacies. I’m considering a sperm donation if the legislation surrounding those doesn’t change too much in the next decade.

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