Help me, brothers

[Symmetric MGTOWParticipant 570]

I have come across a girl a girl that seems to have taken a deep interest in me. It’s all subtle and most of it happening behind the scenes across and during our interactions but I think that she likes me a lot and I like a lot as well. She’s in her early twenties and, in more than one way, she has shown she has feelings for me, with modesty and discretion. As I said, some of these things are very subtle.

Our chemistry is off the charts good in some ways even though it’s awkward how things are progressing. A few days ago she even made a comment, a very specific comment that I never thought I’d hear again in my life. Because you know who said the exact same thing? My ex-wife, when were in love, when we were together. She would say the same thing to me so frequently. Now mind you, I have been with other women and spent time with other girls but none of them picked up on this quirk of mine like she did recently, and like my ex did in the past.

I should also add that I have to deal with this girl mostly for work related reasons. But as days and weeks have gone by we have gotten somehow closer and closer. She is pretty, not super model pretty, or even gorgeous. But she is pretty and her demeanor is modest, humble, and very feminine in many ways. She comes across as a unicorn/nawalt and as times goes by she is becoming more and more comfortable around me. As I’m older than her, I deal with her with more ease. She blushes often and can’t maintain eye contact with me. I have also seen her paying very careful attention to what I say, and after she said the same thing my ex-wife used to say to me, I know she has been paying attention to many other things as well. This is crazy in some ways. My ex is a very intelligent woman and I always loved that about her, very observant, very meticulous in some ways but incredibly sharp as well.

This girl and I talk from time to time, have shared some personal stuff and have views and personality quirks that mirror each other, and in recent days she has made it clear to me, in her own way, that were I to need her, she’d be there for me.

But I don’t want to keep talking about her. I am here looking for perspective from the brothers. Been a MGTOW for four years now and I know how bad things can get as I have already been through a divorce. But you guys know how it is, the power women have over us. And in this case, I am talking about a younger female that has shown behavior and physical traits that I find very attractive in women and that, I must say, not many women seem to have nowadays.

Help a brother out with perspective, fellow MGTOW men!

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

I think you graduated mgtow already, go on, form a beautifull relationship with a COWORKER, it will be fine, she is just a bit like YOUR EX, but she is another person, soo is diferent, thing will be diferent THIS TIME, you will be among the 5% of the world population who have a perfect relationship.

Im glad for you and good luck.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22531]

You dont want to be the guy who owns the boat. You want to be the guy who gets invited on the boat for a couple hours.

Your pleasant small conversations are the guy who gets invited on the boat.

Otherwise just cut to the chase and give her half your s~~~ now and let her move on.

You know women never waste any time on a man if they can’t get something they want, some form of utility, out of him.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Anonymous 3]

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

I have to deal with this girl mostly for work related reasons.

That is a great idea, mixing work with relationships.

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

She comes across as a unicorn/nawalt and as times goes by she is becoming more and more comfortable around me.

I think the word you are looking for is chameleon…

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

I have also seen her paying very careful attention to what I say, and after she said the same thing my ex-wife used to say to me

Now this is a very interesting thing. One could only wonder about the “symmetry” of life. What are the odds that she would say exactly the same as your ex-wife?
And what are the odds of you walking the same path as you did with your ex?

Remember that you dont know this girl. You know her in her best act of unicorn, playing her part in the play. What is exactly the play? A romance? A tragedy? Or maybe a romance followed by a tragedy…

Nahhh… When did THAT happened?

Wait a minute…

[JB BooksParticipant 3182]

Always wear the condom you provide, make sure it gets flushed down the toilet, and never cohabitate. Best of luck!

We just don't realize life's most significant events while they're happening. Back then, I thought, "Well, there'll be other days". I didn't realize that that was the only day. - "Moonlight" Graham

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

A few days ago she even made a comment, a very specific comment that I never thought I’d hear again in my life. Because you know who said the exact same thing? My ex-wife, when were in love, when we were together. She would say the same thing to me so frequently.

NO matter what SHE SAID, she still ended up your EX, and hear you sit pondering if your new “love” will be different??? REALLY??

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

She comes across as a unicorn/nawalt and as times goes by she is becoming more and more comfortable around me.

Yeah, I bet your ex did as well.

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

I am here looking for perspective from the brothers.

You don’t need our ‘perspective, but you are in NEED OF A TON OF RED PILLS.

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

Been a MGTOW for four years now and I know how bad things can get as I have already been through a divorce.

You claim to be MGTOW for 4 years and already divorced once; HAVEN’T YOU LEARNED ANYTHING ?????

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

But you guys know how it is, the power women have over us.

It’s called Blue Pill programming, and the more you put this lil cupcake up on a pedestal the more that YOU REINFORCE IT.
GRAB A CLUE!!!!

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

I am talking about a younger female that has shown behavior and physical traits that I find very attractive in women

So, are you just trying to get divorced a second time, and considering that she’s younger you can probably add a couple child support payments as well.

It’s YOUR LIFE, but YOU KNOW that you are heading for DISASTER sooner or later if you pursue this woman as she already has you hooked, and she hasn’t even thrown in any hot sweaty sex yet……GOOD LUCK !!!!!!!!!!!

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Anonymous 3]

Awakened wrote:

It’s called Blue Pill programming, and the more you put this lil cupcake up on a pedestal the more that YOU REINFORCE IT.
GRAB A CLUE!!!!

Dont grab me!

[Anonymous 3]

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

This girl and I talk from time to time, have shared some personal stuff and have views and personality quirks that mirror each other, and in recent days she has made it clear to me, in her own way, that were I to need her, she’d be there for me.

When has that been the case?

Will she be there for you if you lose your job?

Will she be there for you if you get seriously ill?

I would seriously look into what does she gains from this. Are you in a position to help her rise in the company? Do you appear to be wealthy?

Women are the ultimate pragmatics, it us men that are the idealists in romance.

[Symmetric MGTOWParticipant 570]

Thank you.

Gonna print this thread and attach it to my walls!

[Anonymous 3]

No man, dont leave this in the theoretic level. Do some experiences.

Look at what she might think you can provide her: lets say mentoring in her field. Then drop a disheartening line saying you should not provide her with that; like claiming you mentoring her might hurt her progression due to some work issues with undisclosed person in management.

Her reaction will tell you more than we could ever say. In one way or the other.

And do get back at us. I can accept “you were wrong” as well as “you were right”.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Most these guys here, have been married and have had extensive relationships and experience with women.
I have not. My number is very few and my experience is pitiful.

I can understand the emotional aspect and desires.

But I have to say, this seems like total infatuation. The kind they talk about where the girl and the guy fall madly in love for several weeks. Then it ends as abruptly as it started.

I don’t know what Id do man. I’d like to act like a big tough MGHOW monk and say I’d 86 that box fast… but knowing myself… Id go full Emo-Love Gusher. Id fall in love and after the sparks stop flying in a few weeks for her, my heart would be broken…

Perhaps my years of MGTOWery and Sobriety have increased my Self-Respect enough. Also my standards have increased. Im definitely more well-informed so that is a benefit I didn’t have before when a woman WRECKED my feelings in the past.

PLAY DEFENSE brother. Tread carefully so some airhead girl doesnt hurt you. Damn bitches are manipulative.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22531]

Any woman that appears interested in a man, is definitely interested in that man’s stuff.

That just means you are her current utility target.

Run the f~~~ away.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Daryll55Participant 2950]

I think deep down inside yourself,you know this:
YOU ARE SMITTEN.

SHE is everything YOU want her to be.
I would do what CLU says and flesh out her intentions. (pun intended)
THEN, you know her intentions and are in the drivers seat.

If she is attractive to you now,….when you find her intent she likely won’t be so attractive.
SHAG her good and USE her like she was going to use you. Just remember to keep your heart secured from this “Intelligent” one….

Marry again, Hell NO ! ( Even JESUS was hung on a cross just once)

[Joey AlfioParticipant]

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

Help a brother out with perspective, fellow MGTOW men!

With what? You know exactly what we’re going to say and how it will end. Have fun with your newly discovered unicorn. I’ll keep an eye out on the papers over allegations on some university professor.

Δεν υπάρχει τίποτε αδύνατο γι’ αυτόν που θα προσπαθήσει. - Μέγας Αλέξανδρος

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

I think that she likes me a lot and I like a lot as well.

Does she really like you? Or does she actually like what she hopes you’ll provide to her?

in more than one way, she has shown she has feelings for me, with modesty and discretion.

Bait and switch.

As I said, some of these things are very subtle.

Subtle bait is still bait.

My ex-wife,

Then you should already know better. Some men are simply incapable of learning their lesson.

I have to deal with this girl mostly for work related reasons.

And do you wish to remain employed?

Never, EVER, mix your professional life and your personal life. ONLY deal with her for work related reasons, and keep your dealings with her to a bare minimum.

But she is pretty and her demeanor is modest, humble, and very feminine in many ways.

Or at least the persona she is choosing to present to you is.

The girl herself? Not likely. You have not actually met her yet.

Been a MGTOW for four years now

Not based on what you’re saying.

But you guys know how it is, the power women have over us.

Women have no power that idiot men don’t give them.

Help a brother out with perspective, fellow MGTOW men!

If it weren’t for the work thing, I would say to possibly pump and definitely dump. But because of the work thing, you need to bail NOW.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Carnage wrote:

I think you graduated mgtow already, go on, form a beautifull relationship with a COWORKER, it will be fine, she is just a bit like YOUR EX, but she is another person, soo is diferent, thing will be diferent THIS TIME, you will be among the 5% of the world population who have a perfect relationship.
Im glad for you and good luck.

I agree with Carnage on this one. You’re special. You’ve beaten the odds. You should just go for it…

[AutoliteParticipant]

OTOH you could just save yourself a whole lot of time and bother by just buying her a house and giving her half of your shhit now…

[Symmetric MGTOWParticipant 570]

Yesterday a couple of hours after starting this thread I called my best friend and explained the situation to him, I told him: I need to be reminded why this is a s~~~ty idea.

He did. Sometimes that’s all you need from your friends and fellow MGTOWs.

And you guys are right, women have no power over us beyond what we ourselves give them. However, there are nuances sometimes. I guess I should have phrased that differently and said that biology is a c~~~, because it makes us feel attracted towards them and makes us want to please them.

I have been divorced four years. I been living alone for most of that time and I like my life as it is. Yes, I do miss the company of a female or the emotional/intimate moments one can have with them.

But all things considered, the risks are too many and the outcomes are too predictable. In addition to this, I am not perfect. I can be weak even though I have been on this path for a long time, and I plan on staying this way until, who knows, I die? We’ll see.

Thank you for all your comments, will try and take the time to address some, if not all of them. Your wise words are all appreciated!

[Symmetric MGTOWParticipant 570]

Autolite wrote:

OTOH you could just save yourself a whole lot of time and bother by just buying her a house and giving her half of your shhit now…

Now this would save me a lot of hassle, wouldn’t it? 😀

sidecar wrote:

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

I think that she likes me a lot and I like a lot as well.

Does she really like you? Or does she actually like what she hopes you’ll provide to her?

in more than one way, she has shown she has feelings for me, with modesty and discretion.

Bait and switch.

As I said, some of these things are very subtle.

Subtle bait is still bait.

My ex-wife,

Then you should already know better. Some men are simply incapable of learning their lesson.

I have to deal with this girl mostly for work related reasons.

And do you wish to remain employed?
Never, EVER, mix your professional life and your personal life. ONLY deal with her for work related reasons, and keep your dealings with her to a bare minimum.

But she is pretty and her demeanor is modest, humble, and very feminine in many ways.

Or at least the persona she is choosing to present to you is.
The girl herself? Not likely. You have not actually met her yet.

Been a MGTOW for four years now

Not based on what you’re saying.

But you guys know how it is, the power women have over us.

Women have no power that idiot men don’t give them.

Help a brother out with perspective, fellow MGTOW men!

If it weren’t for the work thing, I would say to possibly pump and definitely dump. But because of the work thing, you need to bail NOW.

You ask very poignant questions and you are absolutely correct. It’s a matter of sexual strategy and she’s younger than I am, and she sees me as her superior in more than one way so yeah, I agree. I have thought of this myself. I think that, as my best friend says, just rub one out and you’ll see how you start thinking about it in no time.

I have also thought about the way she’s presenting herself to me and I definitely see some chameleon in there. As for your other comments, yes, sir, you are indeed correct.

Daryll55 wrote:

I think deep down inside yourself,you know this: YOU ARE SMITTEN.
SHE is everything YOU want her to be. I would do what CLU says and flesh out her intentions. (pun intended) THEN, you know her intentions and are in the drivers seat.
If she is attractive to you now,….when you find her intent she likely won’t be so attractive. SHAG her good and USE her like she was going to use you. Just remember to keep your heart secured from this “Intelligent” one….

Hats off to this comment and that of CLU. I agree as well.

Gravel Pit wrote:

Most these guys here, have been married and have had extensive relationships and experience with women.I have not. My number is very few and my experience is pitiful.
I can understand the emotional aspect and desires.
But I have to say, this seems like total infatuation. The kind they talk about where the girl and the guy fall madly in love for several weeks. Then it ends as abruptly as it started.
I don’t know what Id do man. I’d like to act like a big tough MGHOW monk and say I’d 86 that box fast… but knowing myself… Id go full Emo-Love Gusher. Id fall in love and after the sparks stop flying in a few weeks for her, my heart would be broken…
Perhaps my years of MGTOWery and Sobriety have increased my Self-Respect enough. Also my standards have increased. Im definitely more well-informed so that is a benefit I didn’t have before when a woman WRECKED my feelings in the past.
PLAY DEFENSE brother. Tread carefully so some airhead girl doesnt hurt you. Damn bitches are manipulative.

Thanks, brother. I think you understand my perspective a bit better than the rest of the brothers. However, what they all are telling is 100% valid and is what I need to read.

However, this is a path that I should not remain in as it will lead to a lot of headaches and even heartache if I continue this way.

I think that, in a nutshell, in the four years I have been MGTOW and living on my own, this is the first female I come across that appears to so good to my eyes that I’m losing perspective on my situation.

In other words, I am being tested, and I need to keep my wits about me as I go.

Anonymous wrote:

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

I have to deal with this girl mostly for work related reasons.

That is a great idea, mixing work with relationships.

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

She comes across as a unicorn/nawalt and as times goes by she is becoming more and more comfortable around me.

I think the word you are looking for is chameleon…

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

I have also seen her paying very careful attention to what I say, and after she said the same thing my ex-wife used to say to me

Now this is a very interesting thing. One could only wonder about the “symmetry” of life. What are the odds that she would say exactly the same as your ex-wife?And what are the odds of you walking the same path as you did with your ex?
Remember that you dont know this girl. You know her in her best act of unicorn, playing her part in the play. What is exactly the play? A romance? A tragedy? Or maybe a romance followed by a tragedy…
Nahhh… When did THAT happened?
Wait a minute…

Been thinking about the same, Clu… isn’t it strange? When she uttered those words it left me wondering why, of all things, she would say that, just as my ex wife used to say it! It’s eerie in some ways but it is also a warning, an omen pointing at where things could go if I let them.

Will try and address more comments later.

THANK YOU ALL. This is why I love this community, because you tell the truth and provide support to men, young and old, as they come here asking for it. Thank you.

[guiParticipant 825]

Symmetric MGTOW wrote:

This girl and I talk from time to time, have shared some personal stuff and have views and personality quirks that mirror each other, and in recent days she has made it clear to me, in her own way, that were I to need her, she’d be there for me.

This is something women do naturally in kind of a subconscious way because they are wired to do it. When they are interested in you they learn what you are like and mirror it to please you.

Here in the west there’s still a few women that are still feminine and know how to be pleasant to others in order to get stuff. The bar is so low that when we get to know a woman who at least try to act pleasant around others many of us fall in love.

Still, female nature is always there to f~~~ you up. This niceness she is showing will only last as long as she doesn’t get bored with your relationship.
Like the other brothers said: Your ex was all that and she still became your ex. Deep down you know it and you are just in denial. I know what it feels like.

I am nowhere as nearly as experienced as many of the guys here since I am only 25 and I never married or cohabitated but if I were you and I had the kind of mentality I have today I’d just pump and dump her and that’s only if the lust was unbereable because it’s a really dangerous game with the false rape accusations, STDs, spermjacking and etc.

Here in Brazil things are a little less extreme than on the US (or at least that’s my perception of it) but things are still too dangerous so I have went monk until I get a stable profession to pay for high quality hookers or get a sexdoll.

I am at college right now getting a law degree and even with all those damn feminists there still are some girls that look cool on surface and act nice so I know how you feel but I still know they could easily destroy me. I am just focused on finishing this as fast as I can and avoiding any relationships. I have a long road ahead of me since I am on the first year of this five year course.

On a sidenote is awful to see that women outnumber us in college so much. In my class it’s like 30 women to less than 10 men and that’s not counting the other classes of this same course in which women outnumber the men as well. Also women outnumber men in any college course that aren’t from the STEM field.

It’s so much that I wonder if that is really just an effect of men avoiding college to not deal with SJW bulls~~~ or examiners purposefully chosing women over men. Just imagine all the damage those women will do in Brazil’s already s~~~ty legal system.

Pity and contempt are siblings. You only feel pity for those you consider weak.

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