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I’m not trying to promote women above the level they deserve through this topic, but I feel sometimes that MGTOW expression excludes all women. And when a female family member feels like dying, or really dies, it reminds me that maybe I’ve been too harsh on all women. Just because a lot of women in the west have become greedy, it doesnt mean I should judge all women on that stereotype. I think my attitude is communicated once with the words I speak, and that could be easily perceived by close female family members. I don’t want to feel guilty for making all females feel worthless and die because of that. I think our attitude has a powerful effect on all women and especially family members. What I feel sorry the most is that I never said to any female ever, “I love you”, not even to family members. How do I find the courage to say that, when the first thing I’ve always done was to express my dissatisfaction with the state of the family and failed marriage I grew up in!
And I’m still one of the lucky males, as my family was far from being one of the worst. I agree that we need to change the way, and we should also include women who behave well.I don’t want my female family members to go away forever, and not earlier than they should.
But I do want for Men to Go Away from greedy females.They are NOT negative feeeeeeelings we’re expressing on this site, they are experiences personally lived, situations witnessed and reasoning based on that. No one is advocating treating the female members of your family any other way you normally would. I personally think that all men should be aware of Woman nature and act accordingly with the tools they have at their disposal.
Your relationship with the female members of your family is your business. Just like mine with my sisters. Not every woman subscribe to Feminist Extremism but every woman is female and, as such, have their own idea of conduct, supported by weemins around the world, and they’re NOT out to do Men any favors. Add Feminism to the mix and voilà = the War on Men.
PS. You should really find a way to get over your block to saying ‘I love you’ to the members of your family. Today could be the last day you see them.
Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!id2015: None of what you say has any real bearing on being MGHOW.
Spot on post there Untamed.
MGTOW is about freeing men of their obsession and addiction to women, which really doesn’t impact my relationship with my blood relative family members. I care about them, and have told them I love them, but since I have MGHOW filters on, I also see the manipulations, machinations and shaming tactics they use on the men in their lives. I keep my stoic face on and let it slide. They care about me, but are sometimes worried that I never got married or had a bunch of kids. They also wonder why I am so happy.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
@untamed said it for me, especially the “I love you” part.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Family is a tough one, you don’t get to choose them, and like any other people they’re all different, some are the best people you will ever meet, others are the worst, your mileage will vary.
I’ve been lucky to be blessed with a family that in the main has loved and supported me from the day I was born. The female members of my family support my choice to not marry or have children and agree with my reasoning for doing so, they are disappointed yes, but that disappointment is in the society which makes it just too much of a risk for men to get married. i love my family, and I tell them every time I see them, I wouldn’t change my family for anything and I dread the day they will no longer be around.
In a nutshell all I can offer you is this: If your family is one of the good ones, cherish them, they will not be around forever.
Greetings. You sound new to this. Lets break it down for you. Even a child can understand.
Going your own way means does not include hating women. It’s like saying if you don’t have pets you hate animals with every fiber of your being. A lot people don’t have pets because they are a hassle and don’t have the time energy or patience to deal with animals. It doesn’t matter how sweet and kind some of them are.
Go to the archives. Get educated. Then come back and post.
Knowledge is the first step.
I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.
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Negative feelings about women or anything else for that matter is never good for anyone. I have a 17 1/2 yr old daughter, and I have basically been a stay at home dad most of her life. I have had it all happen. Her putting her play make up on me when she little, you name it. I love my daughter more than anything, and I have kept her out of public schools and did my best to raise her right.
She still lives with me and I am proud of the young woman that she is. Will she stay that way once she is out in the world around other women her age? It scares me to think about how much peer pressure she will get from both sexes, to be honest. I do not have negative feelings toward women. I don’t like the bulls~~~ they have put me through. Some of the s~~~ was so heart breaking, that I was angry, confused, bitter about it for years.
Think of it like when 2 men get in a fist fight, and sometimes they wind up becoming friends…or at least reach a common ground of mutual respect for each other. Perhaps they had negative feelings for a spell regarding the fight, maybe they even reach a point of being able to laugh about what & why the even had the fight.
The point I am trying to convey, is that indifference is really what helps with this in regards to the modern day female. There just isn’t any reason to be enthusiastic or emotionally invested in all the bulls~~~ they DO & SAY to us men. The manipulation, shaming, blaming, and looking at us as atm’s & their slaves.
As a father, many times throughout my daughter’s childhood, she has done things that I did not approve of. I did not like the behavior, or whatever it was that she had disobeyed or done wrong. Did not then, or now, make me love her any less. Of course I had negative feelings about what she did, or didn’t do. I didn’t take it personal. So, in a sense, I was indifferent to what she needed to correct.
In a relationship with females (mothers, sisters, girlfriends, and a wife) it is much more difficult to not take it personal. There are rules of conduct, engagement, trust, commitments, promises, and vows… that get crossed, one sided, betrayed, broken, and it is usually done in the name of love, romance, and intimacy, and that’s not even talking about the major f~~~ed up BS that gets thrown at us, when the women are really vindictive bitches to us.
I’m not trying to promote women above the level they deserve through this topic, but I feel sometimes that MGTOW expression excludes all women.
We all are at different places along our journey of each of us going our own way, trying to help each other deal with what it means to us men living in our day and time. Some of us are still trapped, others are still hurt, angry, confused, betrayed, and so on.
Try to think of it like we were all starving, and on the verge of death. Then suddenly, this amazing buffet is opened up, mgtow.com, and we all rushed the door to get inside. Some of us wanted steak, others ribs, or chicken, or whatever. We all share in the same purpose, fighting off the starvation, according to our tastes.
This is how I view all our brothers here. For myself, it’s not about putting a woman under my thumb, it’s about me never being under hers again. The vibe is exclude all women. Why? So we can be able to have at least one place in this crazy world we live in, to be MEN. Without all the shaming & manipulation and the nagging and BS we usually have used against us. It’s our only sanctuary.
it reminds me that maybe I’ve been too harsh on all women. Just because a lot of women in the west have become greedy, it doesnt mean I should judge all women on that stereotype.
If you have reasoned out, or are feeling like you are being too harsh, I respect that. Why? Would be my question. They are getting away with unbelievable amounts of nefarious s~~~. It is ruining and destroying lives, as well as society. It is toxic beyond belief. I am not judging women, I am judging their actions. I can at least hold them accountable in my mind, even if the vast majority of them can pull nasty s~~~, and get away with it.
As for tactics and the way the modern feminist/woman goes about getting her way, stereotype or not, the result/consequence to us remains the same.
You can use it for your reason on cutting them “slack”, but I will stand firm against the injustice. If women want to turn it around and sort it, and get things back to some kind of equilibrium, then I will reconsider my position.I don’t want to feel guilty for making all females feel worthless and die because of that. I think our attitude has a powerful effect on all women and especially family members.
I don’t want females feeling worthless anymore than I want us men to continue to be sacrificed. I agree, but if family members are running me in the ground and shaming & manipulating me into putting up with bs, then I am no longer thinking of this “power” I have over them, but the power they are trying to wield over me.
What I feel sorry the most is that I never said to any female ever, “I love you”, not even to family members.
If you have a female you love, then tell her. I tell my daughter I love her? Why would I not? What kind of man and dad would I be?
How do I find the courage to say that, when the first thing I’ve always done was to express my dissatisfaction with the state of the family and failed marriage I grew up in!
I grew up being abused by my father. It was horrible, I hated it & I hated what he did to me and my baby sister. I still loved him, he was my father. He even sent me to a home and made my sister a ward of the state, trying to avoid child abuse charges. So, he made himself the victim, by making us look like unruly kids.
I loved the good things about him, before it was all that s~~~. There is no shame for expressing one’s dissatisfaction about something that is wrong, hurtful or f~~~ed up. It’s what I think of as manning up in a healthy way. Handwriting on the wall. Call it like I see. It is what it is. Same with women’s tactics.
I too came from a broken home. My step mom adopted me when I was very young. Hell, even her name is on my Birth Certificate. I love her as my mom, and she did the best she could do. I was confused and angry about my real mom not being in my life. I saw her 1/2 dozen times by the time I was 17-18.
I found my courage by no longer being afraid, ashamed & feeling guilty & just accepting the truth of it all, BUT…it doesn’t mean I have to like it or swallow it and pretend like I am fine with it. If a dog goes rabid, I don’t care how much I love the dog, it is now a threat. If I ignore it, I will pay for it.
And I’m still one of the lucky males, as my family was far from being one of the worst. I agree that we need to change the way, and we should also include women who behave well.
I would gladly spend time with a woman that behaved well, I have sought for her for over 30 yrs now. I spent all those years being a hopeless romantic looking for love and my soul mate. I figured God made Eve for Adam, My Eve must be somewhere. I had to let it all go. ALL. I even forgave my father, and he took my sister’s virginity at 11-12 yrs old, after he sent me away & before making her a ward of the state.
If I can let go of s~~~ and overcome, ANYONE can do it, if they want it bad enough.
I don’t want my female family members to go away forever, and not earlier than they should.
But I do want for Men to Go Away from greedy females.I am down with that. Every family member I have had that is passed now, is an empty space in me, and I miss them. Even my father, after he killed himself with his 357 mag in a hotel rm on his birthday.
Greedy females suck…but each woman is still not Jango Fett clone, and has the choice of being her own woman or being a carbon copy of all the others.
If you read all this, thank you for taking the time.Cheers
@mgtow Age
That is a great post, and I thank you for it. This is what was truly inspiring to me:Negative feelings about women or anything else for that matter is never good for anyone. I have a 17 1/2 yr old daughter, and I have basically been a stay at home dad most of her life. I have had it all happen. Her putting her play make up on me when she little, you name it. I love my daughter more than anything, and I have kept her out of public schools and did my best to raise her right.
The world needs more fathers like you. More to the point, the children of the world need more fathers like you.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
And when a female family member feels like dying, or really dies, it reminds me that maybe I’ve been too harsh on all women. Just because a lot of women in the west have become greedy, it doesnt mean I should judge all women on that stereotype. I think my attitude is communicated once with the words I speak, and that could be easily perceived by close female family members. I don’t want to feel guilty for making all females feel worthless and die because of that.
id2015, would you be willing to provide some context to your post? I feel that this topic (and your other topic) are nebulous. Has somebody died because you judged a women? Please don’t take offense, but I do not understand your post at all, and I am guessing I’m not the only one. Perhaps you could just tell us exactly what you are talking about.
So, are you saying that JUST because she goes to through something that EVERY human will go through at one point or another, that makes all the trickery, manipulation, soul-crushing, narcissism a non-issue? Snakes will be snakes. Snakes will ALWAYS be snakes, and if you ever forget that, you’re going to be the one to pay.
There are women who will continue trying to screw you over ON their death-bed. They would like to you to capitulate, using the “I’m about to die” line, as if that makes the last bit of garbage that comes out of their mouths worth listening to.
We DO-NOT judge ALL women. We only react to what we’ve EXPERIENCED.
Point is, if you know ANYONE who has tricked you, manipulated you, or anything of the sort consistently, f~~~ them. Death doesn’t change people, and if they get a “f~~~ you” on their death-bed, that exactly what they’ve earned.
A devil doesn’t get an angels’ burial.
“I don’t want to feel guilty for making all females feel worthless”
That right there can’t happen, and doesn’t happen. You don’t verbally assault them do you? Then you have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, and doing nothing is NOT oppressing someone.
Would you feel that way about a man? I might be playing the devil’s advocate here, but, seriously, would that come out your mouth if you were talking about a man? “I don’t want to feel guilty for making all men feel worthless”
Women DO-NOT have deeper feelings then men, they do not have different feelings then men. If they feel worthless because they don’t get an “I love you”, then they need to get their self-worth straight. And self-worth is not based on what others think. Self worth is NOT based on making other people do things.
That however, is a common tactic. When a man shows disinterest in a women, she reverts to “You make women feel worthless”. And I’m not just saying that, this specific line has been used on me by my own mother. That is NOTHING BUT a manipulation tactic.
are you a chia pet in man drag Just because a lot of women in the west have become greedy, it doesnt mean I should judge all women on that stereotype.
That’s right. That’s why its important to treat women according to their OWN actions and behavior.
Was just talking about that here not even an hour ago.But if you think any woman (including your family member) is going to display any kind of remorse upon YOUR passing for the misandry she perpetuated in her life, you are sorely mistaken. It’s in a man’s nature to have more compassion than females. Men give their LIVES for it on a daily basis for the good and betterment of others to a degree women never have.
By the way, that’s not a “negative statement towards women”.
It’s a PRO-MALE statement. Make sure you know the difference.A pro male agenda is not inherently anti-female. So by being more concerned about YOURSELF, your betterment and well-being…., you’re not being “unnecessarily harsh on women”. You’re being necessarily good to YOURSELF in a way no woman ever will.
Make it a practice to treat women according to their own actions and behavior, and you will never have to concern yourself with being “unnecessarily harsh on women”. Keep your male compassion in check, and don’t let it get the better of you.
I heard a radio interview with a guy who was just starting to understand enjoying women for a bang, and not much else. He had a problem defeating his conscience (because he didn’t call them back the next day)….. and the guy on the other end said “when you use a urinal, do you feel bad because you don’t phone it the next day”??? Suddenly, the caller had a realization that he was feeling bad for no reason. Because in REALITY, the girl had a good time too. He never actually treated her badly, he just didn’t phone her again.
Pay very close attention and you will notice that MEN (even MGTOW) treat women far better than they deserve.
As long as you do too – and can say it honestly – you will have nothing to worry about and have no regrets.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.@MGTOW Age
That is a great post, and I thank you for it. This is what was truly inspiring to me:Negative feelings about women or anything else for that matter is never good for anyone. I have a 17 1/2 yr old daughter, and I have basically been a stay at home dad most of her life. I have had it all happen. Her putting her play make up on me when she little, you name it. I love my daughter more than anything, and I have kept her out of public schools and did my best to raise her right.
Thanks bro, I take that as a huge compliment coming from you.
The world needs more fathers like you. More to the point, the children of the world need more fathers like you.
As powerful as both your comments to me are, I know I did some bad screw ups throughout the years of her growing up & could have done things better
It does mean a lot to me to get some credit though, for my efforts. I am seldom told I was an inspiration to someone, and honestly, not even sure how to act or what to say ….I get inspired so much and so often by you, Keymaster, Tower,Fermat, Stealthy, CP & others here
Think of it like when 2 men get in a fist fight, and sometimes they wind up becoming friends…or at least reach a common ground of mutual respect for each other
This is mens strength(one of many)……….Bill Burr put it so well…….”men may punch each other but a slighted woman will s~~~ in your heart”…..not verbatim
This is mens strength(one of many)……….Bill Burr put it so well…….”men may punch each other but a slighted woman will s~~~ in your heart”…..not verbatim
Yeah he does indeed.
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