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Greetings, gentlemen. I bring to you deliberation a concern.
I’m twenty-one years old, and I’m, well . . . dissatisfied. Of course, of course, human condition and all that, but . . .
The male figures in my life consistently tell me that the university years are the best years of your life. I’ve asked them, and these 40-50 year-olds say that if they could stay a certain age forever, it would be 21-25.
I have one year of university left, and so far, my experience has been: meh. While it’s true I’ve loved living on my own and eating at the cafeteria, it’s not all fun and games. Not only does a mountain of stress sit on me day in and day out (and if you try to claim undergrad isn’t stressful, I’m almost certain that you weren’t in engineering), but the women are stuck-up, rude, and disrespectful c~~~s who treat me as if I were stupid. “Join a club!” people yell at me, and I’ve tried, but it’s just eaten up more of my oh-so-precious free time, time I wanted to spend on writing what I want to write, reading what I want to read, and playing what I want to play. My friends at school aren’t exactly the types to throw huge, Van Wilderesque parties. And, besides, loud noise, crowded rooms, and drinking till you don’t know what happened to you doesn’t really appeal to me all that much. But I’d like the OPTION to be there, you know?
And, apparently, these years are supposed to me the best of my life. That means life is all downhill from here. The thought of that makes me really sad. I want to experience casual sex, to know if I like it or not, but women rebuff me and rarely give me the time of day. And it’s not as if that were going to get better than now—where else but university are you constantly exposed to that big of a quantity of women who are interested in that sort of thing?
So, gentlemen, how can I make the best of my last year of university? Have I, as I’ve been incessantly told, been doing something wrong? Am I missing out on life?
". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée
Anonymous0Engineering Man Cool.
Your post made me feel your pain bro.
Here’s the thing.
In my opinion, don’t let the “women not giving you attention” or acting like c~~~s. Get to you in a way which throws you off the wrong path.
Your not at an age, where you should have any reason to hate women. The world you live in now is actually one of the hardest. The people who told you these are your best years, don’t know s~~~ about current day climate.I am a good looking guy, (I’m 35) but when I was 21-23, man it was f~~~ing tough. That time is when women all look good. And they know it. At your age I didn’t know about hypergamy etc. But basically they still treated every guy like s~~~ when I was that age as well. They basically are in the absolute PEAK of their sexual capital.
Now to the GOOD news. YOU are not at your PEAK of capital, that will come around 10 years from now, as their capital plummets faster than you can imagine, down the toilet. By then YOU will be an Engineer (My brother is a mechanical engineer, works in china, makes a F~~~ TON) so you will have $$$ respect and choices.
As much as you are still seeing value in yourself now based on whether a parasite wants you or not, I hope one day you see the intrinsic value in yourself, when you get to 30 and are pulling in 100K a year, don’t you worry, the females will suddenly pop up, and remember you.
My advice to you is this: Don’t spend too much time in the MGTOW movement, go through the PUA movement for a bit and learn how to bed women, but never forget your MGTOW teachings. Never forget the biological nature of the female and her behaviour. MAKE SURE you don’t get one pregnant, and don’t do idiot things like get married or live with one.
By the time your 30 (YOUR PEAK) , you will have money and wisdom. And women will want to try and snag you, but the world will have changed even more in your favour then.
So for right now, 1. Finish Degree 2. PUA and learn how to f~~~ chicks and keep them at a distance 3. Enjoy your youth
Agree with redpillchemist!
Just some addition:
1. I think this “these are your best years”-s~~~ comes from the life-experiences of the regular blue pill man…they marry and get a family and suddenly recognize that life was much more fun before they had a family (which was usually the time when they were in the age you are in now). So if you don’t follow this road life can be great until you die 😉
2. You let yourself be influenced by others to much…even if you go the PUA road for a while you shouldn’t give to much s~~~ on what others say, go your own way, stand for your attitude/oppinion/interests and love yourself for who you are (not physically xD). Thats why the myth “girls like assholes/nice guys finish last” came up because girls like self-confident guys and an “asshole” just cares about himself and gives a s~~~ what others say or think…which will make him an asshole in the eyes of others (usually white knights or beta males) 😉
Same s~~~. I live by my own since I’m 17, both working and studying (I’m now 22). I’m studying Bulgarian philology and there are almost no males in the stream… but the bitches are so f~~~ing lame that I even don’t want to f~~~ them anymore. Since I stopped paying any attention to them, I only visit my lectures, sit aside and alone, read in the breaks, I see something interesting. Some of the girls try to contact me and show interest, but I don’t care. For the past three years I saw enough. Just stupid whores – when you want them they become special, when you don’t they want your attention. They are so pathetic…
I agree with the boys on here,
Commit to your studies, do well, hit the gym, focus and take care of yourself. You are the most important thing in your life, everything else is secondary.
Party and PUA if you want after you are done school. Steve Jobs did a great speech for a University, I have posted it below, make sure you find what you love to do.
Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.
A STEM BS is tough took me 5 years to get mine. It wasn’t that fun but the lack of responsibility made it fun comparably to now with more bills and BS.
As a MGTOW my best years are now. 30-40 yrs is when you get enough $$$,$$$ saved up from paying off all debts that you have a lot more options. I found one of my lifetime drives is traveling to far away countries for vacation. Or working on my muscle car. Or attending music festivals around the world. As with most activities in life: Fun = Money spent.
Once you get your degree, no one can take that away from you. Especially if your degree is within the STEM fields, since there is a void of those people available currently.
Good luck in your studies. I nearly dropped out during Freshmen/Jr year but glad I didn’t! 🙂
The male figures in my life consistently tell me that the university years are the best years of your life. I’ve asked them, and these 40-50 year-olds say that if they could stay a certain age forever, it would be 21-25.
Not true for me. I am 47 years old. I can tell you that I am a hell of a lot better at being a man at 47 that I was at 25. I would only wish to be the chronological age of 25 because my back, hips, knees, and feet are wore out after a quarter of a century in the army. I was stronger, healthier, and in far less pain.
Baz Luhrmann one wrote “Enjoy the power and beauty of your youth”.
The power and beauty of your youth is that you have the potential to succeed and be happy. I can say that when you are my age, you will look back on a picture of yourself and “Recall in a way, you can’t grasp now, how much possibility lay before you, and how fabulous you looked”.
College years are recalled as the best years, because for many men it was the last years they were free. Free from a wife, free from the responsibilities of fatherhood, free from their in-laws, free from having to focus your time, money, resources, and energy to solve the problems and concerns of everyone else.
As a MGHOW of 47, that has just completed his undergraduate last may, that is preparing for graduate school, I can tell you that these last few years have been the best of my life BECAUSE I am no longer encumbered by a woman and am carving my own path through life.
You are not missing out on life. Yours is only just beginning. With the money and resources that you can put together, your life is bright with the possibility of accomplishment, fun, adventure, travel, aspirations.
Just don’t attach a vagina to your life on a permanent basis. If you do this then your college years will be truly the happiest, because it’s downhill from there.
"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.
Anonymous1Not true for me either.
I am 33 and just now I am starting to realize the potential I have
When I was 21-25 I had major insecurities issues (specially regarding women), too worried about college/work, afraid I would end up unhappy/not doing what I wanted.
The only certainty in life is that life is uncertain. It was just recently (more or less) I got confirmation of what I always suspected: that women are not the center of the universe. That’s why I don’t bother even with PUA tactics. O do things for me, and if there is a gal out there that wants to ride along, great. If not, that’s great too. But that’s just me.
So, I would say, do what you must/like for yourself. Dedicate to your dreams and learn to be flexible regarding them. And be careful around women.
And as far as it goes regarding those that keep telling you that you are missing out, tell them to f~~~ off. 🙂
This might be interesting for you to watch:
Cheers.
Anonymous3These men are full of s~~~. They’re so full of s~~~ it’s pouring out of their mouths and ears.
Male SMV is at it’s lowest possible point through those ages. Male SMV does not go up until around 28, and peaks around 32, although it will still be very high and certainly much higher until around a man’s 50s when it may finally, finally drop back to around the 18-22 SMV.
Female SMV is at its highest those ages, 18-22. It only drops from there, and collapses by 40. A 40 year old woman probably still has higher SMV than a 20 year old male though.
All men want a woman in that age bracket. However women want resources and status, which comes at older ages.
If men were getting their fill of casual sex in college, they wouldn’t be thirsty f~~~s that are desperate to get married when they are older and have money. They wouldn’t pour s~~~ tons of money into PUA seminars and camps, or learn to dance or any of that other crap.
One of the biggest reasons feminism succeeded so much is all the stupid old failure men that kept babbling about their college years (when most of them didn’t even go to college) or pretending to be James Bond. It makes me shake my head in disbelief when I hear all the BS from Boomer peers. Not all Boomers, some great ones out there that will be honest, but the ones that are babbling about easy casual sex, or making fun of kids today for having student loan debt and struggling with work are assholes. Don’t listen to them.
The real reason you want to be 21-25 is purely because of physical strength, durability, metabolism etc. As you get older, you lose energy, it gets harder to recover, you gain more weight, and it’s harder to build and keep muscle. Athletically speaking I can probably still beat out untrained younger guys, but I can also cramp up and get injured pretty easily, so I don’t really push myself. If we’re talking female attention, no question it’s best from 28-32 however.
I’ve asked them, and these 40-50 year-olds say that if they could stay a certain age forever, it would be 21-25.
So older, likely married men are wanting to go back to a time when they were younger and not married. Sounds like they yearn for freedom.
You can chose to stay free.
Edit: I’m 41 and enjoying my life better than I did when I was 21-25.
The male figures in my life consistently tell me that the university years are the best years of your life.
Then they were doing it wrong.
You are at school to learn. That means work and struggle, not parties and playtime. And the harder you work at it the better things will be for you in the future.
I suspect these guys muddled through college, got boring mediocre jobs just to pay the bills, got married and tied down to a wife and 2.4 whiny kids, and don’t realize how badly they’ve f~~~ed their lives because: “That’s what you’re supposed to do.” F~~~ that.
OK Brother, listen up.
You are NOT missing out on anything. While it would be nice if you could get some casual sex, there will be plenty of time for that. Look, once you have a job/ career, I am telling you that women will jump at you. You will need to make the first move of course, but women will be so much easier to “get” than when you are a college student. It’s just the way it works. Once you put on a collared shirt and tie and are “an important guy” (or at least important in their eyes), then women really do go for you.
Casual sex in college is a very tricky area these days. It wasn’t like this when I was in college in the early to mid 90’s. These days women are very, very hard to trust. And it is THEIR WORD against yours. Even if they seemed to totally go along and want you to do them………the next morning when they are sobered up they could easily claim rape. They can easily claim that you took advantage of them while they were in an inebriated state.
Looking back, the only fun times I had in my life as a young man was when I was drunk and hooking up with chicks. If I could do it over again, I wouldn’t have gone that route. It’s much better to be sober and learn to enjoy the little things in life.
Look man, don’t worry about it. Your casual sex days will come. Just be careful about it. Don’t get anyone preggo, don’t get an STD, and don’t get yourself in trouble for “date rape”.
Women are parasites. Each and every last one of them.
As someone that’s been to his fair share of parties and hookups let me remind you, you’re not missing anything…
About 1/5 parties you’ll actually hook up with a girl. The rest of the time those parties are just boring as all f~~~ing hell.
The girl you do hookup with, you’ll find out later will have something weird going on like…
- Incurable STD
- Boyfriend
- Girlfriend
- Doesn’t actually go to college
- Poked holes in the condom she provided you
- Has a husband
- Has a kid
- Has multiple kids
- Has no aspiration, despite the BS she feeds you while you’re fronting each other
- Lies about being on BC
- Accuses you of rape
- Steals your money
- Steals your car
- Already has a jealous stalker
- Likes to smoke all the f~~~ing time
- Likes to smoke weed all the f~~~ing time
- Does hardcore drugs and didn’t tell you before you stuck your dick in her
- Is actually a hooker on the weekend
- Is actually a stripper
- Is a total drama queen from hell
The list goes on and on….
On one instance I was walking across campus and this heifer and her friends tried to get me drunk so she could suck my dick and f~~~ me. I didn’t know this bitch, she didn’t even seem like she went to the college, just hanging out in her friends dorm trying to get pregnant by some college guy.
Focus on your degree and job, avoid women for now, it’s not worth impeding your career.
THEY ARE NOTHING SPECIAL. DO NOT EVER PUT ANY WOMAN ON A PEDESTAL. YOU WILL BE DISAPPOINTED EVERY TIME.
The people who told you these are your best years, dont know s~~~ about current day climate.
Took the words out of my mouth. The Univerisity I went to was a FAR cry from a party school. I went out on my own to bars, but the school itself had zero in that regard.
Do not for a minute think that “this is IT, and I missed it”. Youre 21 and have a huge chunk of life ahead of you. A couple of other points, I think youll find when you’re in your 30s you are happier in some respects because you are more comfortable in your own skin. Also, these older guys telling you this: the PAST always has a soothing comfort to it, and we tend to romanticize it in so many ways. Like a s~~~ty ex, you only remember the good times not the bad. Youre way too young to think youve missed out on life. Dont sweat it.
Resident cynic.
I’m an Electrical Engineer. To do well in school (why else go into Engineering?) you have to sacrifice your social life. Actually, think of it as an investment where most of the cost is up-front. It WILL pay off in ways you don’t realize right now. I know it’s hard to believe when you are younger, but 5 years will seem like a very short time soon.
Anyone who says those were the best years of their life were probably business or history majors, partied like hell and didn’t learn much, subsequently got bad jobs, and are now shackled to a life-draining woman.
I’m 52 now and especially after GMOW each year keeps getting better!
It is for very good reasons the Devil chose to tempt Eve not Adam...
The male figures in my life consistently tell me that the university years are the best years of your life.
Then they were doing it wrong. You are at school to learn. That means work and struggle, not parties and playtime. And the harder you work at it the better things will be for you in the future. I suspect these guys muddled through college, got boring mediocre jobs just to pay the bills, got married and tied down to a wife and 2.4 whiny kids, and don’t realize how badly they’ve f~~~ed their lives because: “That’s what you’re supposed to do.” F~~~ that.
Absolutely agree with this 100%. TV and movies have led everybody to believe that university is a f~~~ fest full of non stop partying. From my personal experience there were no wild parties and none of my friends got laid unless they were prepared to lower their sights and go for a woman below them looks wise.
We all thought we were missing out because we didn’t have girlfriends and once we were all working we all eventually met a girl, got a mortgage and had 2.4 children. Fast forward 10-15 years and we are all now divorced or working a job we hate to support our screaming kids and fat wife.
Now that I can look back I don’t think university was that great although it was the last time in my life I had zero responsibilities and could pretty much do what I wanted. I am now divorced and if I had one wish it would be to go back to when I first started working and never get married. If I had done that I guarantee I would have a house mortgage free and would have enough money to do whatever I wanted.
The girls at university are currently riding the Alpha c~~~ carousel and wouldn’t even talk to a guy who is not in the 20% Alpha group. Remember the 80/20 rule, 20% of the guys are f~~~ing 80% of the women. The remaining Beta 80% get to have the scraps the Alphas don’t want such as the ugly and fat girls.
The Beta males work hard, get good jobs and manage to accumulate money and resources. Once a woman hits 32/33 she will start to panic that she is hitting the wall and doesn’t have long to catch a provider. Suddenly the 33 year old Beta with a great job, house, money and a nice car suddenly looks like a very appealing option. The Beta will not be used to this attention and will think he is in love once he starts getting regular sex. He will not want to lose this sex so will marry and pay full retail for that used up pussy that all the Alphas got for free.
Do not fall into this trap as once she has got what she wants she will be bored, want to get back on the c~~~ carousel and you will be history. She will have the house and you will be paying her alimony while she moves her new boyfriend into your house.
I am now 41, divorced, look after myself and have the red pill don’t give a f~~~ attitude. I am getting more attention from women than I ever have in my life and these women are in the 30 to 45 age range. Now that I am red pill I know exactly what they are after, basically the early 30’s women are hitting the wall and want to settle down and have kids. The late 30’s early 40’s women are in full panic mode and know they are in the last chance saloon before ending up being bitter with cats.
My advice, f~~~ as many of them as you can but make sure you do not get one of them pregnant and end up going to baby jail. I am now looking at getting a vasectomy and not telling any of them!
Concentrate on you, get a good job, buy a house and save money and eventually the women will come. Use them for sex, but for gods sake don’t marry them or get any of them pregnant.
For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
Unhappiness is guaranteed in your UG years. It feels really s~~~ty because all these older people are constantly telling you that they’d just love to be your age.
Read this for a quick action plan. 20 Rules for your 20s.In short, you’re not missing out on your life.
Also read these:
How to remain Happy at all times (especially read point 1)
Uncovering the Truth.I’m definitely enjoying life much more at 31 than 20-25. I still have friends and a social life, I’m putting a lot less hours into just a job than work and school, and I have a ton more money than my college days. I can afford to spend whatever I want on hobbies, have a nice car, my own place…pretty much I have money and time for whatever the f~~~ I want. Its awesome.
I’m single now…but I don’t feel like I’m missing out on something, because some of the most miserable times of my life were when I had a girlfriend. Its just like one of those grass is greener on the other side type problems. You’d probably think casual sex or a girlfriend are awesome…but once you get them your just like wtf did I want this for? Its more drama than its worth. Honestly if I were you I’d just ignore the college s~~~ for your last year, finish up, get a good job, and then you’ll find its much easier to get laid when they know you have your own place and your s~~~ together…just make sure not to get trapped by one.
Thanks for the support, guys! I’ve read all your posts, but I’ll read them later in more depth. I’ll respond to the most salient points now.
@redpillchemist
I used to be into the PUA stuff, but then I realized what you’re doing as a PUA is getting your self-worth from how many women approve of you, and how to give them exactly what they want. I read The Game by Neil Strauss, and I think the moral of the story was if you’re unhappy, women won’t fix that.
One of those men who said he wished he could go back to my age, when I asked him why, said that because at his age then you have to start dealing with your wife. Part of me knew that was why.
I couldn’t respond to someone like that, because I know that “Work vs Play” is a false dichotomy. God knows I jerk off with video games enough in my free time at school.
@High Country Dilbert
I’m doing meh at school, 2.83 GPA or something like that. That’s because I make sure I have free time to spend on me. I love spending time on me, but people in my life like to make me think that the amount of time I spend on me isn’t healthy.
". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée
On the lighter side:
Get a vasectomy now (don’t worry, you’ll thank me later), and don’t tell anyone. Sleep around all you like but still use a condom (for obvious reasons). You will love the look on the face of the first honey-trapper who lays a “failed barrier” pregnancy scam on you, when you publically denounce her for infidelity.
Just a random thought……..
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