Has Feminism killed the Feminine Mystique and robbed women of their power?

[Anonymous 12]

I was just reading the review of The Manipulated Man by QCummer and although I haven’t read the book yet, I have looked into it and it is similar to a thought I have been having for a while now. Traditionally speaking Women have been able to control men by making them feel like men, that surge of testosterone you get when a woman needs you or is pleased with you in some way is quite a rush I will admit. The more Feminine a woman is around me the more of a man I tend to feel like. Often these women are older than me which is an interesting case in point, they come from a period when Feminism wasn’t the complete Fascist state it is now and also at a time when women were still very feminine in general.

I have been around younger women, they are for the most part charmless, asides from their looks they have little to offer and expect the world. Even their sex is so easy to attain it is in effect worthless in terms of making me feel special in any real way. They are so used to men just throwing themselves at them that they have lost what I can only assume was once referred to as “The Feminine Mystique”.

A case in point was a few weeks back when I was in a strip club, 2 women approached me hoping to lure me into buying a lap dance. The first was on some level real, she just chatted with me, the second one was a complete slut despite me actually trying to talk to her, I totally lost interest when she bent over in front of me to show me her arse. I think I even looked away. I had no intention of buying any dances from them anyway but it struck me how clumsy they both were in talking to me. Same goes for women on dating sites and even Sugar Dating sites which I explored as well, women are just so used to getting what they want that they have no idea how to keep a man interested with anything but their bodies.

So this leads me to this discussion. Feminism has killed women’s “natural” power. Many men no longer see women as creatures to help or support, sex is no longer something a man has to get married to gain access to, in fact if a man wants sex he can get it quite easily and for the price of a couple of drinks at the local bar or just walk into a brothel or strip joint and have a sexual encounter of some kind. If he is smart and realizes all he actually needs and wants is an orgasm he will look at free porn online.

Couple that with men being treated poorly, being degraded, vilified in our society and you get what we have right here MGTOW. Japanese Herbivore men are an extreme case of that, men who don’t even want sexual or romantic relations with women and just see them as platonic “friends”. I would speculate that their testosterone levels are also quite  low perhaps due to emasculation that was so subtle they didn’t even notice it happening. This correlate with studies I have read about testosterone levels dropping around the world and fertility and sperm levels with it.

So my question to you all is has Feminism actually devalued women and taken away their natural power? As more men wake up to this and as women become less attractive in the marital sense as well as marriage in general, will this lead to men finding their own freedom perhaps for the first time ever by no longer being the servants of women and their vagina’s?

The way I see it the trade off has come to an end. A slave can be a happy slave if he is fed and kept warm, kept safe and basically treated decently enough. He always knows he is a slave but he also knows he is taken care of. Take away his food and his warm place to sleep, make him feel he is less than a man and he rebels.

 

[CasualGuy227Participant 170]

Personally from my point of view no

I mean I don’t think feminisim as removed the female mystique from women but simply ripped the veil from it all together showing its true hand like in a game of poker, I mean with the arrival of feminisim women in my generation can no longer use subtle ques and social graces to soflty nudge men to do their bidding as well or even as efficientley as their counter parts of the older generation had the powers to do.

If I am quite honest I live in what I would like to think as the now generation “give that to me now! I want it now” in short they want everything with very little work women and feminisim in this day and age have happiley adopted this type of mindset and tactis while displaying “hard work” to get what they want but instead stil manipulate men through more direct methods instead of indiret methods of the older generations.

 

– Casual Guy

[Anonymous 12]

CasualGuy227 wrote:

Personally from my point of view no I mean I don’t think feminisim as removed the female mystique from women but simply ripped the veil from it all together showing its true hand like in a game of poker, I mean with the arrival of feminisim women in my generation can no longer use subtle ques and social graces to soflty nudge men to do their bidding as well or even as efficientley as their counter parts of the older generation had the powers to do. If I am quite honest I live in what I would like to think as the now generation “give that to me now! I want it now” in short they want everything with very little work women and feminisim in this day and age have happiley adopted this type of mindset and tactis while displaying “hard work” to get what they want but instead stil manipulate men through more direct methods instead of indiret methods of the older generations. – Casual Guy

I agree with everything you wrote and is the same thing as I was getting at.

In regards to the part I made bold, it has gone from a tail wagging the dog scenario to women now running things by manipulating the laws and society in general which is a lot more dangerous although as we are seeing it keeps backfiring on them.

 

 

[Bread BaronParticipant 23]

The feminine mystique is just men getting feel-good hormones when women touch them or talk to them. This is just biology to get us guys to participate in keeping the species alive.

If chemicals did not destroy our ability to think in the presence of attractive women, the only thing mysterious thing about them would be how something so stupid often manages to outlive us.

[WolfParticipant 890]

Anonymous wrote:

I have been around younger women, they are for the most part charmless, asides from their looks they have little to offer and expect the world. Even their sex is so easy to attain it is in effect worthless in terms of making me feel special in any real way. They are so used to men just throwing themselves at them that they have lost what I can only assume was once referred to as “The Feminine Mystique”.

This reminds me of a chick I met online a few weeks back. We started chatting, and I was just asking typical questions in order to get to know her. I didn’t throw myself at her. I actually challenged her on some of her answers. Her response: you’re not showing a lot of interest in me, which makes me feel uncomfortable – goodbye.

Anonymous wrote:

So this leads me to this discussion. Feminism has killed women’s “natural” power. Many men no longer see women as creatures to help or support, sex is no longer something a man has to get married to gain access to, in fact if a man wants sex he can get it quite easily and for the price of a couple of drinks at the local bar or just walk into a brothel or strip joint and have a sexual encounter of some kind. If he is smart and realizes all he actually needs and wants is an orgasm he will look at free porn online.

Couple that with men being treated poorly, being degraded, vilified in our society and you get what we have right here MGTOW. Japanese Herbivore men are an extreme case of that, men who don’t even want sexual or romantic relations with women and just see them as platonic “friends”. I would speculate that their testosterone levels are also quite  low perhaps due to emasculation that was so subtle they didn’t even notice it happening. This correlate with studies I have read about testosterone levels dropping around the world and fertility and sperm levels with it.

I agree. I was raised to view women as equals. Yet, as an adult in the dating world, I quickly learned that I’m still expected to put pussy on a pedestal. It made no sense from what I learned as a child. Then I learned about affirmative action, which royally p~~~ed me off. Then my eyes were opened to how society views men and, from that point forward, I gave feminism no creedence.

Anonymous wrote:

So my question to you all is has Feminism actually devalued women and taken away their natural power?

IMO, yes. This is why you see women state in online profiles “is chivalry dead?” and “where have all the good men gone”. The several decades of feminism has impacted my childhood socialization to view women as equals. Therefore, there is no chivalry, and there is no “good men” to put them on a pedestal. It’s not being vindictive on my part; rather, I genuinely view them as equals.

[Anonymous 12]

Wolf Wrote:

This reminds me of a chick I met online a few weeks back. We started chatting, and I was just asking typical questions in order to get to know her. I didn’t throw myself at her. I actually challenged her on some of her answers. Her response: you’re not showing a lot of interest in me, which makes me feel uncomfortable – goodbye.

I have found the same thing, women want a man to fall over themselves trying to get to her. They don’t understand anything else. Even in situations where they should be charming/trying to keep the men’s interest they don’t because they don’t know how to anymore. Dating sites are a good example of this, so many younger woman want men who are Feminists and Left Wingers, Vegetarians etc. Men tend not to be those types of things. They see engagement in discussion as aggressive and confronting all because you disagree with them, then they play the defenseless woman card and do what your woman did.

I agree. I was raised to view women as equals. Yet, as an adult in the dating world, I quickly learned that I’m still expected to put pussy on a pedestal. It made no sense from what I learned as a child. Then I learned about affirmative action, which royally p~~~ed me off. Then my eyes were opened to how society views men and, from that point forward, I gave feminism no creedence.

I relate. If anything from a young age I was this New Age Sensitive Guy that was in vogue a couple of decades ago. I saw women as equals and yet at the same time I became confused when I found women who still wanted and expected me to pay for dinners and dates, most women will even go so far as to disappear around bill time, I find that quite insulting. What happened to equality? Exactly.

IMO, yes. This is why you see women state in online profiles “is chivalry dead?” and “where have all the good men gone”. The several decades of feminism has impacted my childhood socialization to view women as equals. Therefore, there is no chivalry, and there is no “good men” to put them on a pedestal. It’s not being vindictive on my part; rather, I genuinely view them as equals.

Exactly. I would like to ask if being a lady is dead, where have all the good women gone? Why is it so ok for women to say these things and be so demanding yet a man cannot expect anything in return. For a long time I was sick of the double standard and now I don’t want to even play anymore.

[Anonymous 13]

Only for a small portion of women because only a small portion of men have came to realize such.

I wish it would happen sooner, but boys reach puberty and it clouds the mind of the lot of them, without a father or closely related personal father figure with custodial rights – – they are doomed for failure 90% and maybe 10% of them will wake up in their mid-late twenties, even fewer could actually become successful people later – and/or pull their offspring out of the fire if they had some children before their epiphany later in life – and those were in poverty – the odds that they remain in poverty are still enormous.  Its not that they are not good people, they were dealt a bad hand by the matriarchy and our gynocentric culture, but if they have close contact with a young son of theirs or even a daughter that they could guide in the right direction – then that is success, and even personally – it is freedom and peace of mind.

I hope society changes a bit more in less gynocentric direction – but these white knights, this gyno-obsessed media, and our policies are just so f~~~ed up right now — I can only hope to change myself for the better – and DO ALL I CAN to direct, teach, and guide my kids – fighting their mothers indoctrination every step of the way – full force on that s~~~, full force.

[Anonymous 13]

Anonymous wrote:

Traditionally speaking Women have been able to control men by making them feel like men, that surge of testosterone you get when a woman needs you or is pleased with you in some way is quite a rush I will admit. The more Feminine a woman is around me the more of a man I tend to feel like.

 

I hate that, I hate that I love it.  I really love that feeling – having a woman “want you” and want you sexually is powerful, and seeing her want to be around you too.  But, why are they bitches then?  They know their are other thirsty men out there if they don’t get their way.  This is why a lot men are here to talk about it.  They don’t want to settle for an incompatible chick that would treat them that way, for must of us, we don’t even want to “settle” at all – or ever again, because you never know just how genuine a woman is about that, and this is what we discuss.  Women crave the attention – us wanting them is what they usually want, its like they have mindgasm on it – and being more social today and having social media available for the lowest crack whore and thirstitard –  is a token, a pass that women use as collateral against their men…they can always find easy validation, some men can too…but it wasn’t the same for me…I wanted a compatible woman, a woman who I truly thought was attractive, a woman who was genuine – blow jobs were great – free, but the time used to acquire them was too much and the women were a bit lacking anything I truly desired in a woman, but the sex just wasn’t the same as it was when I used to be deceived by that feeling of mutual old fashioned genuine loyalty – maybe because I was the one who really didn’t want them.  The thoughts that went through my head after my initial betrayal, thoughts that women would be like “that’s arrogant, you’re an arrogant asshole” thoughts like “why the f~~~ wasn’t I good enough?”  I mean, I have things that other girls would go crazy over, was it because I don’t have like a laundry list of friends that go out every weekend and party?  In the end it doesn’t matter, that feeling we get when we are wanted, and I found that out, it does but you have to understand…they are just women.  You have to learn to shut it off, I think about it a lot, but I had to wake up.

They don’t know what they want, if they can’t recognize those feelings after the deed is done – and seriously look at the entire picture of who you are and want “you” as not just a sexual object to manipulate for a money or as a toy to act and do whatever they want…then forget that feeling you get…somehow, because most of them can’t do that…they don’t put in the effort needed for a real relationship, so just treat them the same way…insincerely.  Or never enter a relationship, never enter them at all – except their mouths.  Nothing good comes out of them, so put something good in them…realize that you are the only GOOD thing this woman is getting at the moment and have some self esteem.  That is the way society has told them to think…right on the daytime TV they watch with their mommy and their kids, so, its time we start thinking that way.

 

I hate that genetically wired feeling that we get, because, as you said Morlock, only the older women can actually fulfill that need with true sincerity.  I’m not that old, and if it isn’t “real” it isn’t real.  So….yep, anyway good post.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

My work attracts women because of the uniform. The difference between how Im treated when not wearing and wearing ….  are that of chalk and cheese. Tells me everything right there.

I reject them either way. They are by nature whores ….. but I cut them slack with this …. coz it’s nature.

However, they constantly cross that line once they are rejected. I’ve had women, in the past, come in my office and start touching me while I’m working.

It’s the only thing I’m thankful for 9/11 coz now the door is bolted from inside.

There is no mystique about women. They are animals just like us. They s~~~, fart and spill blood.

The only thing feminine are the products they slap on themselves.

Ever had a smell of a woman after shes worked out? ….. having a period?

It’s all in our heads guys ….. sort it out 😆

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