Had a Relapse

[SamsquanchParticipant 4226]

I don’t know why, but I went out on a date (My last ever) last night. I’ve been going my own way for a few months now, I felt happier and had a high level of self-confidence after swearing off women. However my lizard brain got the better of me, so I went out on a date and I feel like I’m back where I started.

Fortunately I only wasted half an hour and $10 on the broad last night. She has some kind of accounting job and proceeded to tell me that she’s very well off, doesn’t really need a man but want’s one because she’s basically lonely. First red flag. She lost my attention about five minutes into the conversation.

I went out with her because she owns a condo, and seemed to have more to offer than the rest of the women in the dating pool so like a fool I went out with her. She told me that about a month after purchasing her condo, she was underwater. Second red flag. You mean to tell me you spent more money on a condo than you could afford? For someone who deals with numbers all day, you sure don’t seem to grasp the concept of living withing your means. I didn’t say that to her, because I didn’t want to start an argument with a woman in public, but that’s what I was thinking while she was talking.

Third red flag. She’s underwater with her condo, gets a promotion, and goes out the next day to purchase a new Audi A4.

Once there was a break in the conversation (Meaning once she stopped talking about herself) I thanked her for meeting with me, left a $10 on the table and told her to have a good evening. She said in disbelief, “You’re leaving?!” I didn’t respond, just walked out of the bar with a smile.

So even though my lizard brain got the better of me, this last date still confirms my, and all of our, beliefs regarding women.

[TuneoutParticipant]

We’ve all been there brother,
last one I had a few months back I’d see this beautiful
Columbian escort thinking that Pros were better than regular chicks.
The first two times were great,really clicked,paid $300 for an hour but stayed for three each time so I thought,
hey $100/hr + no strings attached fun ain’t to bad.
Well the third time wasn’t the charm,
I texed her saying I’d be early,bad mistake as she wasn’t really ready plus I noticed there was a lot on her mind.
All she could talk about was how bad biz was because of the oil crash and how she was moving back east.
If that wasn’t bad enough to kill the mood,she gets undressed and for the first time I see the stretch marks and incisions on her t~~~ and stomach that she did’t have time to cover up,plus her pussy was unshaven as well.
Needless to say this destroyed my illusion I had built up around her. She even requested I put a towel over her butt which I was sitting on giving her a massage,like I was a dirty pig.
We only lasted about two hours this time and the goodbye was rushed and forced.
I left thinking the $300 would have been better spent elsewhere like my investment funds.
This was the final red pill moment for me,full on MGTOW
for life now!

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[narwhalParticipant]

I wouldn’t call that a relapse. You could count that as $10 lost, or a rather cheap reminder. It would have been bad if you manage to get you to invest more time and money in her.

Sounds to me like you handled this just fine.

Ok. Then do it.

[EekParticipant 1162]

Yeah, I’m with narwhal. That isn’t a relapse, you just got a $10 red-pill booster shot. The next time you think of doing something like this you will remember this incident, and it will be one more piece of reinforcement not to make the same mistakes.

There are plenty of examples if you look through the old posts on the forums of people thinking about moving in with women or worse after falling off the wagon.

[HitmanParticipant]

Could have been much much worse. .
I mean, hell. .we know that they’re all crazy. .
How much crazy is the problem. .
You found out in 5 minutes what takes some guys 20 years to figure out. .
Your MGTOW training worked! !!

[NeroParticipant 1466]

I think you did absolutely great here. I must admit, I would not have been able to do that. In fact, I am pretty sure I have just f~~~ed her for wasting my time.

[experiencedParticipant]

Handled perfectly.
“Oops! I’m upside down. Somebody save me continuously ’til I can permanently relieve him of his wallet.”
When a woman is comfortable around you, there’s no limit to what pops out of her mouth. Long term dating without sex in the olden days was to protect the male as much as the female. There was the hope of sex eventually via marriage, not so with friendzoning.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[SamsquanchParticipant 4226]

Thanks for the responses guys, just reading the few responses has helped me to regain the confidence I felt I lost.

[EekParticipant 1162]

As an aside, it seems like female entitlement is getting sloppy.

The standard female playbook usually is to get the man to talk first about how much money he makes, his car, house, 401k balance or whatever their little minds focus on to determine your net worth and thus worthiness to spend time in her presence. By letting the narcissism take over and talking about herself first, you came to your senses faster and had the opportunity to bail faster.

Have they forgotten they are supposed to secure some longer term arrangement before they start indicating they need to setup their resource extraction operations? Are they so entitled they aren’t even trying anymore? Or are the MGTOW-Spidey Senses being manifested by more and more men so they know to abort at the first sign of red flags?

[Biggvs_DickvsParticipant 3725]

Ya bro, that ain’t so much of a relapse as educational entertainment. Pretty cheap too.

I don’t think half of these women realize how offensive it is when they see us as a meal ticket. What could possibly be more “objectifying” than to see a person as nothing more than a cash machine?

I find it incredibly offensive that men’s natural desire for women’s bodies is villified and demonized as “objectification” when in reality there are few things MORE HUMAN than your body and appreciating it is really the opposite of seeing it as an object.

If you think being the object of sexual desire is bad, try being reduced to a money object.

"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,

[Anonymous 24]

Steeb, at least you were barking up the right tree. You thought she had her s~~~ together initially and was not going to be just another leech. No big deal that you ended up being wrong.

Anytime you can get away from the clutches of a woman with only a minor dent to your wallet and time is a big win my friend…

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

Biggvs_Dickvs wrote:

educational entertainment

aka “edutainment”

@Steeb you’re AOK on this man. No harm in checking out the field once in a while just to remind yourself. Take her dancing, for a beach day, flirt, whatever.

Just be able to cut the cord the instant the cost-benefit gets too high, which you nailed right on the head here.

[XSDBSParticipant 3598]

The red pill makes it easy to see the red flags…

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Samsquanch wrote:

I thanked her for meeting with me, left a $10 on the table and told her to have a good evening.

Was that $10 just for what you’d consumed plus gratuity for the wait staff? Or did it pay for her as well?

If it was just for your half of the bill, then technically you didn’t waste anything. You might not have spent that money in the first place were it not for her, but at least you spent it on yourself where theres some benefit to you (even if it’s just caloric).

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Eek wrote:

Have they forgotten they are supposed to secure some longer term arrangement before they start indicating they need to setup their resource extraction operations? Are they so entitled they aren’t even trying anymore? Or are the MGTOW-Spidey Senses being manifested by more and more men so they know to abort at the first sign of red flags?

I think more men are just smartening the f~~~ up and women are clueless. I know for me a big part of why I’ll never marry is because I was raised hearing all the equality bulls~~~ so if I were to marry why should I not expect that either she has a relatively equal amount of assets/income to bring to the table, or that my assets/income would be legally shielded in case of a divorce rather than legally extracted.

The way I look at it, if I’m talking to some chick that has 100k in debt…she’s probably going to end up paying back 200k with interested included…meanwhile in the time it took her to pay 200k to lenders just to get even in life, if I was banking the same amount of money each month I’d have banked 200k that would have been compounding over time…so I’d probably have 400k sitting in the bank. If I was going to essentially pay her debt off for her…I’m looking at being -200k vs a +400k. Getting legally involved in a relationship like that would literally cost me over a half million dollars IF IT WORKS without even accounting for all the other dumb s~~~ she’d want to waste money on while together, and the total cost could potentially sky rocket beyond that depending how long the relationship lasted if a divorce was ever factored in.

I’m with OP here…unless I want to add 10+ more working years on to my life to pay for snowflakes carousel ride in her 20s…the decade of my life I busted ass to get ahead while she was off partying, vacationing, and f~~~ing other dudes…women with debts are just simply toxic. If I was marrying a hot young virgin at 22 who was loyal and spent her prime sucking and f~~~ing me, I wouldn’t have ever thought of relationships or money this way…but now that I’m in my early 30s and have seen how most women act in their 20s I’ll never be dumb enough to sign a marriage contract with one. I’m not picking up an inflated tab for goods that are past their prime, I’d rather just go without.

[Mr. ManParticipant 2916]

If you think being the object of sexual desire is bad, try being reduced to a money object.

THAT is a meme that needs to go viral.

[RumParticipant 59]

It sounds more like progress to me instead of a relapse, Steeb.

You did walk away after all, rather soonish once realisation settled in, in a polite manner without reacting to her confusion and wetness. Kudos.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught falsehoods in school. And the person that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and a fool. -Plato

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