Guys I need your help. How to get girls when you are not a big ole' success?

[DoinMyOwnThing40Participant 1000]

I have a bit of a problem. You see, I am quite happy being my own guy, being a MGHOW, not giving a damn about women or girlfriends or wives or relationships with women. I really do not see women as worth ANYTHING to a man. I have no need for them.

But then there is that tiny little need that I must admit, I still have. And that is to have sex with hot chicks. When I was in my 20’s it was easy for me. I had an okay job, looked great, had “game”, etc. I wasn’t wealthy but there was the POTENTIAL that I would be well off someday. So chicks were fine with me and I attracted them easily.

Fast forward to now. The potential never panned out. I am not a success in life. I honestly do not care at all that I am not a success in life. I truly don’t care about status or “important jobs”. It means nothing to me. Whether you are a janitor or the CEO of a Fortune 500 Company, I am just not impressed with that, you are a human being and your character is far more important to me than how many initials you have after your name (MD, PHD, MBA, etc.) I would rather hang out with the janitor anyday than the CEO, i am sure the Janitor is a helluva lot more fun to have a beer with.

Having said all that……I find myself in a bit of a hopeless situation. While I totally accept myself and I accept what I am and what I am NOT……. I find it impossible to approach women anymore. We all know that they want a guy with money. Well, I don’t have a whole lot of that.

I have good looks, a great physique (especially for a 40 year old guy), a lot of interests. But it does not matter. All that matters is that I am not a “Financial Sales District Manager”.

What to do? Just go without sex for the rest of my life? That would be very sad if I had to do that. I am not interested in hookers, that is just nasty (no offense to anyone who is into that though). It’s just not my thing. The thought of being with a woman who has bedded thousands of guys, just really is a boner killer for me.

If it is only sex I am looking for and NOTHING else…….I mean what is a guy to do?

Women are parasites. Each and every last one of them.

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

Easy…you’re not planning to keep any of them around.  You just want the prize in the crackerjack box.  Solution:  be anything you want to be (lie).  It’s the same strategy they use on us men.

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[RyanJamesParticipant 20]

Exactly, get some cards printed with National Sales Director on them 🙂

Actually, girls don’t really care about money – 99 out of 100 would choose “a decent guy” over a rich one, they are brought up to believe that they need security and they know that a bad guy can take away his money but a good guy will stick around – providing more security in the long run. What I have found is that they will sleep with men who are confident rather than any other factor (money / looks / physique / niceness) and I think you said it all in your post –

“I find it impossible to approach women anymore”

If you dont approach you dont get and approach anxiety is in your head – this is happening because of your perceptions, not the girls’

[casqueteroParticipant 85]

I won’t openly lie to avoid possible “rape by deception” charges.

I would dress the part and allow her to assume I am one of those  “Financial Sales District Managers”. After sex, it doesn’t matter- you are not planning to keep her. And you did not deceive her…

[taliensinParticipant 30]

ehm,the whole “women want money” thing isn’t really true, its all about presentation,your average western woman would f~~~ a band member over a billionaire any day of the week, can you market yourself in a way that can make her friends jealous? you are golden. Extra points for being hard to get and giving her material to use as “poor me” attention points on her friends.

[sidecarParticipant 35874]

RyanJames wrote:

Actually, girls don’t really care about money

taliensin wrote:

ehm,the whole “women want money” thing isn’t really true,

Women don’t care EXCLUSIVELY about money. They also look for status and power. If you have some combination of those things they will be attracted. If not, well then you’d better be able to fake it.

Women also don’t always insist on billionaires, it’s true. Women will go for a man who only makes $40k a year, but only if they can’t get someone making $50k. But as soon as they can get Mr. $50k they’ll trade up at the first opportunity. Rinse. Repeat.

[taliensinParticipant 30]

oh sure,when they are considering getting married (or rather,planing ahead for a good divorce) but otherwise… let me rephrase it, if you have a yacht costing 100k that they can take selfies on and show off you are far more attractive than someone with 500k in the bank. ( ps,we are essentially saying the same thing)

[hmskl’dParticipant 6455]

The most attractive woman that I have met in the past year is married to a custodian. She reminds me of a long haired “hippy chick” of the late 60’s. We chatted during lunch and I got to know her and several co-workers a little better. They have a small farm and she explained that one of their main interests is trying to “get off the grid” and raise organic garden produce to become more self sufficient. They have recently installed some kind of solar panel system. Whether their marriage will last; or whether she will follow through with these earthy ideals … wouldn’t bet on it, but I guess only time will tell.

[нσтησσвParticipant 830]

Get over women, and go NoFapp.
Women, masturbation, those are all just addictions.

Nextly, Unless your making minimum wage, without a woman, you should be able to retire in 10 years with a middle class life style ( \w roughly $1 million ), with a 50-60k/year salary based on a budget of $10k/yr for living expenses.
An average investment will give you 10% per year, minus inflation of 3% to be conservative and your looking at $70k/yr minus taxes – because of your age and probably lack of previous investments you should be able to get most of it tax free if you start now.

Lastly, if you are working a s~~~ty min wage job, go find a better job! Warehouse jobs pay $16-30/hr, truck drivers get $25-50/hr, construction pays $25-100/hr, drive a mining truck and that’s $75-100/hr, heck even fedex delivery drivers get $18-30/hr. All of these jobs require no education and provide more than enough income to have a middle class life style, of which is PLENTY to attract women.

/video/how-women-look-at-men/
You can rent a BMW, cause chicks are too stupid to figure out that all rental license plates are written differently… and suits are relatively cheap in comparison to an iphone 😛
Re-use the suit, and your looking at $100 per 1 night stand.

My Goal: To Leave Society.

[experiencedParticipant]

Driving my car for quite a long time and something keeps telling me something’s wrong. Put in a steering input and it’s all over the road. Seemed recoverable but difficult, inherently unstable. Stopped at a light, a guy pulls up next to me and says, “Hey brother, I’ve been following you forever, don’t you realize you’ve been driving in reverse?”

Easy for me to say as I haven’t started a topic yet….“Guys I need your help. How to get girls when you are not a big ole’ success?”

You came to the right place for help, take mine with a grain of salt.

“How to get girls” is driving in reverse, do a 180, stop looking over your shoulder, and crap, there’s four gears.  I.e. the girls can kiss your butt, you’re indifferent now and they can’t get enough of it. You ignore them completely and they chirp like birds, make arm gestures, move any way they can….all because they are after you now. The second you go back to trying to get them, they’re gone and rubbing your face in it with the “I was not, am not, will not be interested in you” BS.

I  don’t know that stopping on a rung of the ladder and saying “you are a big ole success” ever really works.  It’s enjoying reaching for the next rung, and you’re doing that here.

Steven King said, “life isn’t a support system for art, it’s the other way around”  https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/making-connections-count/201504/work-life-balance-lesson-we-learn-stephen-kings-desk

Find what you enjoy doing [[[[some compromise is often warranted here]]] and do it with passion.

“it doesn’t matter what you do, so long as you do something, and do it unsparingly.”

Hope this helps.

PS   are you better with people or machines?     problem solving or memorization?   Initiation or completion,    structured work or free form.        most things are a compromise, try to be honest with yourself on your skillsets vs wants etc.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[experiencedParticipant]

“a great physique (especially for a 40 year old guy),”

A great physique doesn’t just happen. Consistency, intensity, love of the activity, etc.

So, become a personal trainer, as a hobby now, maybe more later. I do not mean pay bucks to get certified, but go to every gym in your location and at least one of them will have some sort of a minimal training course free of charge if you’ll be a paid trainer for them. Just be careful for the legalities so if you get a witch customer and they attempt legal action against you, that it’s already on the forms that they can’t do this.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Anonymous 25]

women are creatures of emotion when it comes to having sex.

learn to trigger their emotions by telling stories / skillful use of language. if you were to move them through softer emotions to begin with like feeling a connection, then on to fascination and attraction, then feelings of arousal then feeling very horny. you cant just say to someone “feel very horny” though. that just comes across as mad. once youve started chatting to a woman, if say something like “have to ever felt an incredibly connection to someone, like you knew you were going to like and trust this person for a long long time… like it was meant to be”. then run through the other emotions and watch for strong responses. it’s a skill like any communication and takes practice. google “speed seduction”, it does work and it puts men in the driving seat

[GrefParticipant 203]

DoinMyOwnThing40 wrote:

We all know that they want a guy with money. Well, I don’t have a whole lot of that.

Not really. Women seek out two types of guys to have sex with. Alpha f~~~s and beta bucks.

The Alpha f~~~s are the rock stars, athletes, c~~~y muscle bound jerks, DJs etc. This who you want to be, women will f~~~ these guys within hours of knowing them. They will try to extract commitment out of them, but only after months of wild sex and endless BJs. Women give them maximum sex and ask for minimal commitment in return.

The beta bucks, these are the nice guys who lack confidence but have a lot of money (blue pill engineer types). Women don’t seek these men out for sex, they seek them out for their resources and long term commitment (marriage) e.g. “He’s husband material.” These men are only walking ATM machines to women. These are the billionaire CEOs whose wives are cuckolding and divorce raping them. Beta bucks get minimal once a month duty sex in exchange for a lot of commitment (marriage).

Women in their teens and early-mid 20’s seek out alpha f~~~s. Women in their late twenties and later who have never married seek out beta bucks. Women who have already divorce raped a beta bucks and are getting child support + alimony cash are seeking alpha f~~~s. They don’t need beta bucks support because they’re getting his support and not even with him!

 

So you want to be an alpha f~~~s, you need some money but not a lot, if you make a little bit above average salary for your city you’re golden.

To get them vagina tingles flowing you need: c~~~iness, indifference, charisma, muscles, and then cash.

 

DoinMyOwnThing40 wrote:

I have good looks, a great physique (especially for a 40 year old guy)

Are you sure? This is Lui Marco, a 39 year old MGTOW natural body builder YouTuber. He has a “great” physique. If you’re any less buff than that you probably fall in the average physique range. Which is enough to get laid, just don’t have a belly gut and you should be fine. If you do look like Lui at your age pussy is so easy to come by.

 

F~~~, I used to be such a blue pill mangina heading straight for beta bucks land. But thanks to the Manosphere and the gym I’m now one of the c~~~y emotionally unavailable jerks that women chase, and it feels f~~~ing great.

[url url=http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2d6337/i_was_divorce_raped_dont_be_me] I'm paying her 25% of my salary over the next eight years. I had to pay my lawyer, her lawyer, 50% of all my retirement funds and give her another few thousand dollars to make her go away. It cost me $20 to get married and will cost me over $220,000 to get divorced. [/url]

[cdotParticipant 20]

My friend, you are living in a dream world. There is NOTHING in this world that a man gets for free, and yes this includes sex from beautiful women. A woman always has to profit from associating with a man sexually. Does he offer money, status, power? will he allow me to control him? The more beautiful she is the higher the cost to bed her. Either you offer her these things or you lie. One or the other.

If youre unwilling to go the escort/prostitute route, then you need to change your personality and look into that of a PUA clown and lie/mislead or play whatever role these women find appealing to get sex then dump them before they run their manipulation/subversion on you in order to trap you in a relationship.

These women in the 9-10/10 range that you want to bang have either A) worked as an escort/prostitute at some point in their lives or B) want a relationship with a beta male slave where they are in control (the better looking and more money this slave has the better) while she does whatever she wants and his resources get transferred to her.

[Anonymous 1]

DoinMyOwnThing40 wrote:

I am not interested in hookers, that is just nasty (no offense to anyone who is into that though). It’s just not my thing. The thought of being with a woman who has bedded thousands of guys, just really is a boner killer for me.

I was going to pass this thread, but this statement is something that I have to comment on. You said: “The thought of being with a woman who has bedded thousands of guys, just really is a boner killer for me.” And you think the women you are going to pick up at a bar, to later dump, are virgins? This comment irk me a little, because it implies that the average women are better then the “professionals” ones. They are not. They are the same. She may not sleep for money, but sure as hell they don’t hold back if they have the chance to f~~~. That’s the thing. I am against putting women, ANY women, on a different standard. If we are going to say women that sleep around are whores, than ALL women that sleep around are whores. If she actually charges for it or not, if she slept with 30 or 300 is not relevant.

In fact, I heard from a friend of mine a long time ago something interesting. Since it was the kind of story that a friend of a friend told me, I don’t expect the source to be true, but it makes sense. So, according to this friend of mine, he knew a prostitute and according to her, you have actually less chance to get STD from hookers than with  your average club girl. And the reason for that is simple. A hookers “vagina” is her tool to make money, that she needs to survive. If she doesn’t take care of her privates, she will loose clientele and therefore money, since sex is her trade. The average club girl usually have other sources of income, so she f~~~s for fun. Therefore, her “hygiene” and care regarding those parts are not her priority. And I heard several stories from guys, that went to those places, of girls that looked great, but once on the bedroom they were f~~~ing disgusting.

So there you have it, call a hooker today! 🙂

In all seriousness now, I am not trying to shame anybody for their preferences on women. However, this argument of “one is not as bad as the other” kind of drives me insane. The reason why I would rather sleep with a hooker than with the average girl is, in all honesty, well, honesty! With a hooker you know that is all about the money, that’s it, no (at least as far as I can tell) mental games or withhold of sex.

Or, as was suggested, you can start working out. I don’t think women care ONLY about money. I am assuming the also want to f~~~ for recreation while young. It is just that, when on this mood, they f~~~ you if you look good. When they want to settle is when they will f~~~ you for your money.

Good luck. 🙂

[DoinMyOwnThing40Participant 1000]

Gref wrote:

Are you sure? This is Lui Marco, a 39 year old MGTOW natural body builder YouTuber. He has a “great” physique. If you’re any less buff than that you probably fall in the average physique range. Which is enough to get laid, just don’t have a belly gut and you should be fine. If you do look like Lui at your age pussy is so easy to come by.

LOL, touche. Ok, fine when you compare me to that dude, I do not have a great physique. I would say a good physique. Better than average definitely. Just not WOW like that guy.

 

Women are parasites. Each and every last one of them.

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