Grey man

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

Here is a concept that im thinking might be interesting to men who just want to avoid trouble including false accusation.

Grey Man

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/57607-good-explanation-grey-man-theory.html

From the website
“The Grey Man NEVER draws attention to himself by word, dress, action, or mannerism. The Young Grey Man is dismissed as a wimp, the Older as a doddering old fool. The Grey Man derives great inner satisfaction from having this portrayal of himself accepted by all he meets, for it means he is succeeding in his disguise of his actual persona.
”

Trouble avoided is trouble never had.

An ounce of prevention ….

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[RhinoParticipant 3477]

Men tend to learn and adapt when society starts to demonize groups of men who have a interest in things like firearms. You have to be under the radar to survive in this world now, if you say or do the wrong thing especially with a firearm on you or in your vehicle you can be sure to see jail time. Maybe some of these men are even MGTOW and are just applying this to their daily lives for survival thanks for posting this MgtowWave it was interesting reading.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Very interesting. I will delve further and see what I find.

It does sound mgtowish.

[ChuddoxParticipant 585]

I always carry. Its legal to carry open, or concealed without permit here. Though I have one, since it affords a few additional benefits. There is a marked difference between people that carry guns as simply another tool and those that use it for a false sense of bravado. I will talk firearms rights with anyone who is interested, any time.

“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard

[VarunParticipant 2981]

MGTOW all over. But its related to firearms, not lifestyle in general.

Its basically like the ghost mode, except, instead of invisibility, there’s camouflage.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[RedpillPrimateParticipant 1026]

MgtowWave wrote:

“The Grey Man NEVER draws attention to himself by word, dress, action, or mannerism. The Young Grey Man is dismissed as a wimp, the Older as a doddering old fool. The Grey Man derives great inner satisfaction from having this portrayal of himself accepted by all he meets, for it means he is succeeding in his disguise of his actual persona.

This definitely sounds like MGTOW. I try to live my life exactly like this. And so far, it’s working which I find to be f~~~ing awesome.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Chuddox wrote:

I always carry. Its legal to carry open, or concealed without permit here.

I also have a concealed carry permit, even though Nevada is an open carry state. I only openly carry, however, when I am out in the wilderness.

How do you respond to the idea that openly carrying in public makes you a primary target for a shooter looking to start something?

[ChuddoxParticipant 585]

Stargazer wrote:

I also have a concealed carry permit, even though Nevada is an open carry state. I only openly carry, however, when I am out in the wilderness.

How do you respond to the idea that openly carrying in public makes you a primary target for a shooter looking to start something?

I suppose tactically it makes sense, though I think the value of visibly armed citizens provides more benefit as a deterrent then the individual liability of being a preferred target. The ideal of course is that multiple people would be carrying openly, and tactical target selection is more complicated for an assailant.

Now, how tactically aware an active shooter is, like everything else, subject to individual factors. Ultimately its not worth worrying about if you’re going to be the primary target. You need to focus on situational awareness, and reacting appropriately. Because, primary target or not, everyone in an active shooter situation is eventually going to be a target.

“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard

[Anonymous 42]

Chuddox wrote:

There is a marked difference between people that carry guns as simply another tool and those that use it for a false sense of bravado.

I could easily modify a nailgun in 5 minutes to shoot bullets, It’s all simple machinery to me. Villainy starts in heart, rises to the head, it never starts at the trigger, as liberals would have you believe.

Stargazer wrote:

How do you respond to the idea that openly carrying in public makes you a primary target for a shooter looking to start something?

99.99% of shooter’s expose themselves to a clear head shot by unarmed citizens.

[Anonymous 11]

We’re open carry, but I don’t like drawing attention to myself though I’ve seen guys open carry more than once

I will carry concealed w/o a permit whenever the situation calls for it, because f~~~ the government that has sold us down the river that’s why. The criminals don’t need no stinkin’ permits.

We can legally carry loaded weapons in our glove compartments which reduces the need to carry concealed. My carry 9 mm is so compact that you will forget it’s even on you nor see its form.

Even if you are a permit holder,and, God forbid, have to use your weapon outside of your domicile you can be subject to civil action by the mile long rap sheet innocent 23 year old criminal child’s family so carry permits don’t protect you from that. In your home, you cannot be held civilly liable here.

As for rapefugees, we have some very special treats in store for them. The women down here are not very fond of rapefugees unlike those foolish European women.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Chuddox wrote:

The ideal of course is that multiple people would be carrying openly, and tactical target selection is more complicated for an assailant.

You make a fine point here.

It begs the question, though… what is the point of concealed carry? If carrying a weapon openly serves as a deterrent and is supposed to make people feel safer and multiple individuals openly carrying complicates target selection, then why would a person want to conceal?

The only answer I have been able to come up with is that the presence of firearms does NOT make people feel more safe, it’s the presence of the uniform which implies training and the authority to know when to use a firear, (Not necessarily true, of course but still implied) that inspires safety.

To be clear, I’m not trying to knock anyone here, just thinking out loud. I suspect if I walked into my local grocery store strapped like it was no big deal I would get a lot of concerned looks and people would feel a lot less safe around me.

Maybe if open carry were commonplace those feelings would be different, but I suspect the general sense would be that things had gotten a lot more dangerous for quite some time before it shifted to people thinking things had gotten a lot more safe.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Anonymous wrote:

99.99% of shooter’s expose themselves to a clear head shot by unarmed citizens.

Perhaps, but nobody KNOWS they’re a shooter until they brandish a weapon or shoot someone.

I can imagine a situation in, say, a Walmart where some irrational person starts threatening people with a weapon and some armed do-gooder draws, takes aim and tells them to stand down… unless the do-gooder intends to shoot first, they’ve just elevated a brandishment into a firefight and made themselves the primary target.

In another situation, the shooter intends to kill and has a tactical advantage such as surprise, concealment, a hidden elevated location, etc from which they have the ability to select their first target. In that case, they would shoot the openly armed individual first to take out the most likely first responder.

This isn’t some video game… ‘Headshot! BOOM!’ Carrying a firearm and electing to respond to an active shooter situation is rife with complicated choices. What if you take that shot and miss and hit an innocent… or if you hit and kill the assailant… or if by drawing you trigger them to fire at you or someone else before you can present… or worse, you draw and some other person thinks YOU are the shooter and takes you out.

When you draw and aim your weapon you’re either going to die, cause someone else to die or destroy something you probably can’t afford. If you live, you’re going to be sued regardless. Oh sure, it may not go that badly, but do you want to reach into that box of grenades and start pulling pins hoping to get lucky?

[ChuddoxParticipant 585]

Stargazer wrote:

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You make a fine point here.

It begs the question, though… what is the point of concealed carry? If carrying a weapon openly serves as a deterrent and is supposed to make people feel safer and multiple individuals openly carrying complicates target selection, then why would a person want to conceal?

The only answer I have been able to come up with is that the presence of firearms does NOT make people feel more safe, it’s the presence of the uniform which implies training and the authority to know when to use a firear, (Not necessarily true, of course but still implied) that inspires safety.

To be clear, I’m not trying to knock anyone here, just thinking out loud. I suspect if I walked into my local grocery store strapped like it was no big deal I would get a lot of concerned looks and people would feel a lot less safe around me.

Maybe if open carry were commonplace those feelings would be different, but I suspect the general sense would be that things had gotten a lot more dangerous for quite some time before it shifted to people thinking things had gotten a lot more safe.

The entire culture, even rurally, has moved away from acceptance of firearms as simple tools. I could go on to blame Hollywood’s influence, and a myriad of other causes, but it really comes down to familiarity. People aren’t familiar with firearms anymore, and people naturally fear what they are not familiar with.

In urban areas the gun is seen a sort of power symbol. Cops have it, and they have a “license to kill who the want, when they want” (quotes because I know this to be false, but its a perception). So what happens when you have wave after wave of emasculated, fatherless, powerless, and poor boys all stuffed together in a tiny urban box left to fight over scraps? You get gangs.

So you take your lack of familiarity, and fear, add it to exposure to violence from people using the object you already distrust and fear against you, and you get? More distrust and fear. That is why you open carry. It allows you to expose others to the firearm. It allows them to see, even if subconsciously, that the weapon can be handled in a safe, responsible manner.

I get the odd comment.
“Nice gun (sarcastic)”
“Preparing for war?”
“Whats that for?”
Usually its by f~~~wits trying be clever. Always be polite. Generally, the more (visibly) well armed I am, the more polite I am. Because no one should be the “rude, macho dick with a gun”. Again, its about perception.

Sometimes though, the questions are genuinely curious. What is it? what’d it cost? Do I shoot regularly and where? Am I a cop?. Sometimes people talk about their own pieces. Simple things that are conversation starters help remove the negative stigma attached to guns in general, and promote acceptance of them as nothing more than everyday tools

Now, I don’t always open carry, I swap between the two. A couple of my CC holsters are way more comfortable in fact, and my CC weapons are smaller. It depends on weather, where I’m going, what I’m doing and my general mood.

“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard

[ChuddoxParticipant 585]

Stargazer wrote:

This isn’t some video game… ‘Headshot! BOOM!’ Carrying a firearm and electing to respond to an active shooter situation is rife with complicated choices. What if you take that shot and miss and hit an innocent… or if you hit and kill the assailant… or if by drawing you trigger them to fire at you or someone else before you can present… or worse, you draw and some other person thinks YOU are the shooter and takes you out.

When you draw and aim your weapon you’re either going to die, cause someone else to die or destroy something you probably can’t afford. If you live, you’re going to be sued regardless. Oh sure, it may not go that badly, but do you want to reach into that box of grenades and start pulling pins hoping to get lucky?

This, plus all of these things are infinitely harder with adrenaline flowing. People really underestimate the power of hormones. The biology of what happens is fascination. First: forget fine motor control. That part of your brain shuts off. Cognitive memory filtering? Gone. What you get in high stress is TONS of gross motor function and sensory data. That is it.

I saw a case study where there was an escape from a hospital with an active shooter escaping from corrections custody. The nurse, who worked there 8 years, couldn’t remember the door code, and couldn’t get it to function for what she said was “a 15 minute period” before she was able to get into a staff office and call 911. Now, based on surveillance, and correlated with 911 dispatch call logs, the actual lapse of time? 35 seconds. Adrenaline is some f~~~ed up s~~~. Range shooting is one thing. Try shooting a gun under those conditions.

Now, having said that. Practice is important, because response needs to be automatic, you won’t have the time, or capacity to think about what you are doing. Thats why shooting (and imo unarmed fighting) is all about drills drills drills.

“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Chuddox wrote:

That is why you open carry. It allows you to expose others to the firearm. It allows them to see, even if subconsciously, that the weapon can be handled in a safe, responsible manner.

Good answer. Thank you for your insight.

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

One of my considerations in starting this post is false accusation.Or misplaced accusation.

Eyewitness accounts are notoriously bad ways of determining what happened when bad things happen and a man who sticks out like a sore thumb will be the first one a confused eyewitness remembers when asked to give an account of what happened.

A woman who wants to get attention by making a false accusation would more likely aim her false accusation at someone whos appearance sticks in her memory.

A man who blends in and is easily ignored is more likly to avoid trouble.

Stay safe guys.Make sound decisions.

MGTOW is one of the first sound decisions a man can make.

By not being a lemming.

Blue pill men are lemmings.Not wise old owls.

Wise old owls are unseen in daylight and silent and invisible at night.

Like a ghost.

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

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